Talk:Eladrin

Weren't Eladrin something of LotR? Since when did they exist in the Realms? I have never heard or read about them, where does this come from. Historicus 08:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Eladrin are core in 4th edition (like the Dragonborn mentioned in the article). I thought I had heard that we were going to stave off any 4th edition changes until the wiki got fleshed out better, but I'm not 100% sure on the 4th edition policy just yet. Mendahu 12:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If the article doesn't conflict with previous edition information, it isn't a huge problem at the moment. I think we need to work on that policy before August 19th comes around, though. Gabeth 17:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "Eladrin" are "Gold Elves" and "Star Elves", "Elves" are "Wood Elves" and "Wild Elves", etc.... I think this will be clarified in the soon-to-be-released FRCS. 17:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Eladrin in 3.5 are outsiders native to Arvandor and the Gates of the Moon. They are elf-like in appearance. hashtalk 04:15, 30 July 2008 (GMT)


 * I've found this: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20071221 But its frightening me even more about the new edition, especially the cutting down of the lore about the Seldarine. Historicus 15:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that the article you linked isn't specific to the Forgotten Realms. It's set in the new "default" setting that has Bane, Pelor, and Ioun as deities, and in which world a tiefling empire used to reign.  17:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, if this separation between common and noble Eladrin exists in FR (no such distinction appears in the core 4e materials) then why was a picture of a pair of 'noble Eladrin' used? Why not use an image taken from the 4e books? hashtalk 13:42, 04 August 2008 (GMT)

(unindented) I haven't found a "promotional" image of a normal 4E Eladrin yet. As soon as we find one I agree that we should add it to the article. However, there's nothing wrong IMO with using a "noble eladrin" as the image in the Eladrin article -- it is a type of Eladrin. It's like showing a "Moon Elf" image in the article for "Elf". As to their being no reference of a "noble eladrin" in the core 4e materials, check the reference I added in the article: it was from the 4E PHB. 21:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is what I don't like about 4e FR. All the changes to established fluff. It wouldn't be nearly so bad if these 'noble' eladrin were outsiders like they used to *all* be. I can see how you might get fey eladrin though, sure. However, what they've done (and yes I saw that bit in the 4e PHB) is turn the Chaotic good outsider species into a fey creature and just slapped a seasonal addendum onto their name and called them 'noble'. D&D has had an outsider species for every alignment (except true neutral) for as long as I can remember. Archons (LG), Inevitables (LN), Devils (LE), Guardinals (NG), Yugoloths (NE), Eladrin (CG), Slaadi (CN) and Demons (CE). hashtalk 02:55, 05 August 2008 (GMT)

Moon Elf / Sun Elf - Eladrin Connection Confirmed
I read this not long ago. Eladrin are indeed not a real new race, but just a retouching and renaming of moon elves and sun elves as well as the "noble" eladrin. wood elves and wild elves appear to be 4e elves.

"Sildeyuir was once a demiplane connecting to Aglarond's Yuirwood. The eladrin of Yuireshanyaar (sometimes referred to as star elves created it to escape human incursions into their realm."

- FRCG, page 68

And...

"Evereska is a mist-shrouded city of secretive eladrin. Its inhabitants spurned the Retreta to Evermeet, keeping their city hidden from the rest of Faerûn, only to end up at the center of a war between the Shadovar and the phaerimms."

- FRCG, page 130

Both of these seem to indicate that eladrin and moon elves, star elves, and sun elves are all one and the same. If that is the case should we modify the elf and eladrin articles accordingly (such as moving the subraces listings for the aforementioned elves to here)? Niirfa-sa 02:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * This is also quite explicit in the RPGA guide for creating characters of Sun Elf and Moon Elf origin. As to whether we should keep them distinct, I would say "no".  Though there are mechanical differences, to most people Sun Elves and Wood Elves and dumped together under "elves"... which is completely understandable since they both have "elves" in their racial names.  Also, keep in mind that we're trying to write to two audiences: the 3.5e and the 4e crowd.  We should probably discuss the specifics of the template in the appropriate Talk page though.  03:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

This is being carried on from the half-eladrin discussion article. I'm curious to here what others have to say about this. If, indeed, 4e eladrin and 3e eladrin are different races entirely than two separate articles should be created. I'm firm in the belief, however, that 4e eladrin and 3e eladrin are one and the same. I point to the 4e FRPG:

"With the reappearance of the Feywild, its natives have begun exploring the world again. These fey folk collectively call themselves eladrin, and many Faerunian elves have adopted this name for their lineage, thoug they have not forgotten their traditional cultural distinctions and names."

- Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, pg 5

This seems to indicate to me that "noble" eladrin, or eladrin native to the Feywild, are in fact the same creatures believed to be celestials in 3e by the Tel'Quessir. If this is the case than 3e eladrin were not celestials, but in fact, the same race as sun elves and moon elves.

On the other hand, it's possible that noble eladrin and "celestial" eladrin are two different races. If this is the case than a separate article should be created. Niirfa-sa 23:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)