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As of this date, there were 24,202 articles on the FR Wiki, 7,221 files, and 65,958 total pages. My edit total was 26,478 / 27,247 depending on which number you believe. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 05:30, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Page Range on citations
Thanks for the tip. i was unaware it was required. Cheers! --Regis87 (talk) 15:06, January 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * The default value should be the entire range of pages, then people can cite the whole article (like you do with your Further Reading entries) or they can add a page number argument to cite a specific page as needed. Good work! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:15, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Enabling Discussions?
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Page Deletion
Page Deletion: Narabatun Jungle There is one line of info, no references, and no mention of it in my sourcebooks (Maztica Campaign Set). May I humbly propose that this page be deleted?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:16, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * In general, yes you may. The best way to do so is to put a Deletion template at the top and give a reason why you think it should be deleted, like so: However, in this case, the Narabatun Jungle is an actual location that is described in the Endless Armies adventure. I'll add a reference to it and save it from deletion ;) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 01:12, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

Generic classes and class tables
Certain AD&D Trading Cards give only generic 2e classes for their subjects ("Warrior" instead of "Fighter" or "Paladin", for example). In most cases the card description implies a certain subclass, but other times not. What do I do in these cases? Fill in Class table with the generic class, thereby generating "Category:Warriors of X level (2e)", or should I categorize them according to "common sense" (for example, Udall Granitecrusher is obviously a Fighter, but it's not really stated). --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 09:35, February 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah, warriors didn't become an actual class (for NPCs) until 3e, so I would just leave off the edition parameter of Class table and it will not generate any categories, put in, and then add Category:Warriors (2e) by hand. If you can infer the correct class, then go ahead and use the full Class table and maybe add a Note on how you came to that conclusion. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 13:55, February 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will do that. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 14:47, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Coding for infobox titles
Seeing as you are the most recently active admin on here, riddle me this: what part of this wiki's MediaWiki.css coding for infobox titles (such as this allows them to appear the way they are? SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 04:24, February 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Everything labeled with  and perhaps things that are inherited from the overall infobox and/or wikia's CSS. Do you have a specific question about styling I can help you with? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:15, February 28, 2018 (UTC)

Category rename
Hey, Moviesign. I want to move Category:Images from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition to the more accurate location of Category:Images from Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition, but the category rename function appears to be missing from the drop-down menu (when using Oasis/Wikia). Has access been restricted to admins, or has the feature been removed? Whatever the case may be, could you give me a hand using some bot magic? --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 20:04, March 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry to interrupt, but I think the category is correct as it is. The published sourcebooks refer to it as the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting. For that matter, it is properly the Player's Handbook, the Dungeon Master's Guide, and the Monster Manual. See the "What You Need to Play" section of any FR sourcebook that has one, for example, on p. 4 of Silver Marches. This is consistent for every sourcebook I've looked at. ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:20, March 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hm, I'm not so sure. The format used in these categories seems to be "Images from [title]", and there is no definite article in the title. It's a category name, intended only for navigational purposes, not an attempt at a full sentence. For example, Wikimedia has the category Images from Encyclopædia Britannica, but the Wikipedia page for the Encyclopædia Britannica refers to it as "The Encyclopædia Britannica" in the article body. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 22:47, March 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe it depends on whether there is a book-like noun in the title or not, and how we read the noun. We say "Images from Silver Marches" because that's a straightforward title. However, "Images from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting" requires 'the' because it refers to the campaign setting. It's equivalent to "Images from the Forgotten Realms campaign setting" and "Images from the campaign setting of the Forgotten Realms", where you can see 'the' is required for 'campaign setting'. Similarly, in "Images from the Player's Handbook", we refer to the Handbook. In "Images from the Book of Exalted Deeds" we refer to the Book. It doesn't apply to "Images from Libris Mortis" or "Images from Encyclopædia Britannica" because the title is in a different language and the rules seem a bit softer. — BadCatMan (talk) 07:57, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, exactly. ~ Lhynard (talk) 11:40, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Alright, I understand. I thought the format was strictly "Images of X", that's why I didn't think the definite article was necessary. Sorry for making you all write these explanatory paragraphs! :) I suppose this means that the opposite should happen: categories for other similarly titled works, for example Category:Images from Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, should be changed to have "the" where appropriate. Thank you for the detailed explanation. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 14:25, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * No worries! As far as renaming things like Category:Images from Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, I had actually considered this a while ago. :) But I decided that there were far more important matters to deal with first. :) ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:37, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * To answer your first question with a question, is Personal Javascript enabled in your Preferences? You need that to be able to run the category rename function. But you, Lhynard, and anyone else that has an opinion need to work out if this is really necessary. Is there any benefit to renaming this category, other than aesthetics? If not, then I don't see the need myself. The extra "the" doesn't confuse anyone, whether is it strictly correct or not. But I like consistency, so I won't cry either way :) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 01:32, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't have personal JavaScript enabled, however the option is still missing after turning it on (the drop-down only lists VisualEditor, History, and Talk). Anyway, I will halt my request since there's clearly no consensus at the moment. Like you said, it's just a minor matter of consistency. Not a big deal at all. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 07:14, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, there is one more thing you have to do, because we have not made this tool available to the whole wiki. You have to add the following to your  file:

importArticles({   type: 'script',    articles: [ /* This will allow a user to rename a category. Use with caution */        'u:dev:CategoryRenameAuto-update/code.js'    ] });
 * PLEASE use this with extreme caution, because it will not only rename a category, but every link to that category on every page. This becomes very tricky when some categories are automatically generated by a template and some are added by hand. With great power comes great responsibility ;) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 13:27, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see! It appears I can access the tool now. I will use it with the utmost caution, and only for obvious cases/where consensus is well established. Thank you so much! --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 14:25, March 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this, Movie. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:37, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Information Template for Audio Files
So I tried to make Information/Audio, so that I can start attributing audio files of pronunciations. I made it as a pass-through to Information, but I didn't do a very good job. I'm feeling too tired to solve any further bugs in my coding tonight, so I thought I'd give you a heads up, since templates are your thing. I don't think any image files are messed up, but I failed to get Information/Audio to not categorize itself. Also, I realize now that we should globally change all the Category:Public domain images and the like to Category:Public domain files. Or you can just scrap the whole idea and let me know an alternative to what I did here: File:Remorhaz.ogg. Sorry/thanks. ~ Lhynard (talk) 04:12, May 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * You were just tired. It only needed &lt;includeonly&gt; tags. I did add the screenshot parameter, since you could record something directly from the source. Not sure what copyright status that would have. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 12:53, May 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Duh. Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:42, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Bot Requests
I have a few bot requests:
 * Replace all  with.
 * Rename  to   and then replace all   with.

Thanks!

~ Lhynard (talk) 18:24, May 14, 2018 (UTC)


 * Done! Let me know if you find any problems. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:14, May 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * You are amazing! ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:23, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Tables
I just created a category for tables to make it easier for me to find them: Category:Table templates.

I had a few questions:
 * Is there any real purpose for List table? It seems far simpler just to use . Can we delete this one?
 * I am confused about the distinction among the following tables. Can they be merged?
 * Numeric table
 * Plain table
 * Split table

~ Lhynard (talk) 22:40, May 26, 2018 (UTC)


 * The only use for List table is if we change it to be right-aligned and/or mess with the formatting (like use a smaller font, say). Otherwise, &lt;br /&gt; tags work fine. Well, one other thought: if it was used consistently on a set of pages, it could be used for a DPL query, but I don't see that happening.


 * It looks like Split table has made the other two obsolete, since it allows the user to pick the column alignments instead of using the fixed ones in Numeric table and Plain table. They can probably be deprecated. BCM might have a comment, since Plain table is his. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:34, May 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * It is? Huh. :) I think I wanted a bland, un-formatted table for a list of prices on an item one day, and none of the other tables were playing nice, so I took one and stripped it back. It's been used in a bunch of things since then, so I guess it was useful. That was back in 2014, so we might have something better now. — BadCatMan (talk) 05:00, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Another Template Request
Dragon magazine automatically generates the infobox title when provided the issue. I would like this to correctly title the magazines.

Everything from issue #1 to #38 should be: The Dragon &lt;issue&gt;

It would then also be nice if the links for ListDragonMags came from the infobox titles instead of the page titles, so that they would have the correct formatting.

It would also be nice if the pages titles could all be corrected by bot. Is that possible? Can bots to mass page renames? (leaving redirects, of course).

~ Lhynard (talk) 21:35, June 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * I will look into it. Stay tuned. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:33, June 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, part 1 was easy. Part 2 would require putting the same logic in both templates, or just renaming the 38 articles with redirects. The bot does not do page renames, so this would have to be done by hand. I would prefer not to duplicate the logic for maintainability reasons, but I'd be happy to help rename the pages. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 23:07, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

Slack
Hey DW, you have an outstanding invitation to join our Slack channel for informal chatting, but you have never accepted. Is that intentional or did you miss the invite? No pressure, just didn't want you to feel left out. Want me to send it again? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:17, July 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * Movie, just busy being a teacher... feel free to send it again :) - Darkwynters (talk) 18:15, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Bug in Template:Alttext
I found a bug in Alttext. I left an example on its talk page. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:22, July 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Fixed it. Something very strange was happening when I tested for the presence of left square brackets. I had to switch to right square brackets to get it to work. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:56, July 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * odd


 * thanks again!


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 01:04, July 28, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
You rock! Thank you for all the Silver Marches (sourcebook) pictures. Moongleam Tower is one of my absolute favorites. Ruf (talk) 22:24, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Location of Laerakond
Regarding the position of Laerakond, I can't find any mention of it on page 200 of these versions of FCRS, or indeed any mention of Laerakond or Returned Abeir at all, which leads me to believe they are probably not official -

https://rpg.rem.uz/Dungeons%20%26%20Dragons/AD%26D%202nd%20Edition/Forgotten%20Realms/Campaign%20Setting%20Box%20Set%20Revised.pdf

https://rpg.rem.uz/Dungeons%20%26%20Dragons/D%26D%203rd%20Edition/Forgotten%20Realms/Forgotten%20Realms%20Campaign%20Setting.pdf

Do you have a version you can share? I was going on the basis of this map

https://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/4lyupt/one_huge_map_for_forgotten_realms/

But going back and rereading it, he says he pretty much made up the location of Returned Abeir, so apologies. Whereabouts on this map do you think it would actually lie? The page says somewhere close to Evermeet.

TheSingingDM (talk) 11:39, September 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * The FRCG (note the "G") is this book:  which is a 4th-edition publication that has a chapter on Returned Abeir. Since the Spellplague caused the return in 1385 DR, those 2nd- and 3rd-edition sources you linked won't have any mention of Laerakond because the event hadn't happened yet. The map on page 201 of the FRCG shows the Great Sea to the south and the text on page 200 says "west of the Trackless Sea. The exact location is not given, but some sources say that it replaced the continent of Maztica, which is/was not too far from Evermeet. I will see if I can upload a version of the FRCG map that doesn't violate copyright but is still readable. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 13:02, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Evergold help request
A longer time ago you kindly phrased a request on Evergold on a remark from me and offered you might write the article. I got around to do most of it myself (I hope I did not cut into any plans you had made yourself then), but I don't have the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide you listed as a source. Would you be interested in including the information provided there some time and thus finish the article and close the request?

And I have a small technical question on templates: Is it possible to link to an article in a way, that one specific tab within the infobox template (I am thinking about the Template:Plane here) is on top? (I mean within the wiki, without using the hyperlink.)

Thanks a lot! Daranios (talk) 19:15, September 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure! I don't think there is much about Evergold to add, but I will add what I can. As for making a specific tab active, I don't think it can be done without adding some JavaScript to the wiki, but I will take a look. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:27, September 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! The question about the tab was only an idea, if it needs some effort that's not necessary (I guess few would notice without looking closely). Daranios (talk) 15:23, September 17, 2018 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Thanks for adding infoboxes to those articles I created. I'm reading up on the person template guidelines so I'll know how to do it next time. Sturma (talk) 02:34, September 23, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. :) We highly recommend you use the Source editor so you can cut and paste the infobox from the documentation page. The Visual editor does not handle some of the more complicated infoboxes very well. It's also good for looking at what other people have done for examples. Thank you for your contributions and feel free to ask questions if you have any problems. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 03:11, September 23, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'll definitely keep that in mind. Sturma (talk) 03:29, September 23, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you
Hello Moviesign,

Thank you for all your aid with my request.

Again thank you

Saya222 (talk) 18:45, September 23, 2018 (UTC)

Spells
Hi! I've noticed you have been going over and fixing minor errors in the spells I've been adding. Do you have any tips or recommendations for adding spells? Is there a guide on the wiki already? I'd like to save you the work in the editing, and I want to do them right, before I add the dozens of 2nd edition spells that are missing.

Cheers! --Regis87 (talk) 15:38, November 24, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, the only guides are the documentation for Spell and Spell table. The way most of us learn is by looking at what has already been done (not necessarily the most efficient way to learn, but it's usually all we've got), so take a look at other spell pages and see what they have. As for specific tips:
 * "Spheres" only applies to priest spells in 2nd edition, not wizard spells.
 * Let the Spell table do its job in creating the spell categories (see documentation).
 * Title case is just for titles, use lower-case italics for spell names in the text of the article (just like the soursebooks do).
 * Don't put a newline after the infobox template because it shows up as a space at the top of the article.
 * Don't put spaces between the text and the  tags.
 * Try to avoid using the word "would". Just say what it did, in past tense.
 * Most of these are nitpicks to keep pages consistent with the rest of the wiki. Thanks for all your hard work! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 16:22, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Gorellik
Thank you for adding more info to the Gorellik page that I started! I did the best I could with the one source I could locate, but there's obviously not that much to go on, and I was having trouble tracking down any sources at all... Nateynate (talk) 04:56, December 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * You're welcome :) Apparently there is more on Gorellik in the Soldiers of Ice novel, which I don't have.
 * We strongly urge new editors to use the Source editor (set in your Preferences, or you can choose it from the menu in the Visual editor) because it makes dealing with complex infoboxes easier and wiki syntax is much easier to learn. Each infobox has a template you can cut and paste into a new article, and a list of standard sections to use as guidelines in your writing. See Deity for the blank template under "Usage", and scroll to the bottom for the "Standardized Sections". You can find links to all kinds of templates at Help:Templates. Thank you for your contributions. Feel free to ask for help from any admin, or post a general discussion topic in the Forum. Most of all, have fun! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:24, December 21, 2018 (UTC


 * Thank you for the advice! Although I had started with the "Deity" template for the infobox, I did end up jumping into the Source Editor in order to add fields that seemed to be missing (like the name...). And also, I actually had come across the Dragon magazine article as well, but forgot to incorporate the info from that. But I will definitely check out Soldiers of Ice, thanks for the tip! Nateynate (talk) 21:26, December 21, 2018 (UTC)