Talk:Death giant

Can someone please fix the reference formatting on the 5e stats? I'm still fairly new at editing wikis, but WotC released a module with Death Giants and I wanted everything properly reflected. I can't figure out how to edit references.
 * Hi there. Thank you for catching the 5e app for these guys. I created a citation template for the module for you and fixed the reference error. You can find more info on how to use citations and template in the "Help" drop down menu at the top. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I removed the 5e information after checking the source for the reason that the death giants named in the AL adventure are definitely not the same creatures. What little lore there is, is different, and the abilities are wholly different as well. Only the name is the same, and that is likely coincidence. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 05:27, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I am reverting the edits and arguing in favor of the 5e stat inclusion. SilverTiger12, please do not remove what can be considered valid material before discussing it in the talk page. The page will be protected if necessary to prevent an edit war.


 * Both giants were created by unnatural means. The original Netherese ash giants made some pact to bound their souls to the Negative Energy Plane. The second iteration were re-created by a Kiaransaleean ritual.
 * Both giants originate from ancient Netheril/Anauroch. It is alluded that the Kiaransaleean were purposefully looking for crypts of "ancient giants" in Anauroch.
 * The 5e giants are imbued with 'necrotic energy' that is explicitly different from typical necromantic energy. The former is associated with the Negative Energy Plane, from which the 4e giants origination.
 * Creatures often change creature-type by edition. The fact that 5 edition death giants are undead and 4 edition death giants are shadow-type is negligible.
 * Both iterations of giants were powerful spell casters.
 * There is a notable distinction between 5e death giants and "regular undead giants" ― the latter are created when the ritual for the former fails.

Those are my arguments that the 5e and 4e version of the death giants are intended to be the same creature. I look forward to continuing the discussion, but well keep the most recent revision included until a consensus is reached.Ruf (talk) 12:05, 15 April 2023 (UTC)