User talk:Abedecain

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Template:RaceInline
Hi. Who are you, and why are you breaking our infoboxes? — BadCatMan (talk) 10:48, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, Abedecain, bit unfriendly, but okay... it wasn't intentional, didn't account for the refs, works otherwise. Any suggestions on a fix, could use a bot to move the references to the basicrefs variable Abedecain [[file:Abedecains Cake.png|32px|link=Special:Random]] - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 10:55, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Templates are closely integrated with vast swathes of wiki; breaking them disrupts a lot of pages. Normally only experienced editors work with them, and they do so safely in a sandbox page, and only after discussion with other editors about what is needed and how it should work. When you pop up and mess with the code without explanation, it looks like vandalism, and it's natural for us to be suspicious. So, let's try again: what are you trying to do, and why? — BadCatMan (talk) 11:06, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, fair enough. I am a programmer, and I have a history of wiki editing, but not much on fandom itself. The addition is simple, hopefully one of a few, just making the infobox more dynamic. You can see the code in Template:RaceInline with the examples within. As mentioned above, it should deal with refs with the delink module, but doesn't seem to, unfortunately, one option could be to find out why delink isn't dealing with refs, the other is to use a bot to move refs in race to basicrefs. The latter is better in my opinion as the basicrefs is there and it is its function. I promise I won't touch the infoboxes, but what is the platform here for announcing proposals, I am unfamiliar with this communities etiquette? Abedecain [[file:Abedecain_Cake.gif‎|alt=Cake|32px]] - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 11:49, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * You could start a discussion in the Forum or on the Template Talk page to make your proposal, actually explain what issue that needs fixing and how you'd resolve it, and let others give their thoughts and feedback. It's a collaborative effort. In particular, Moviesign is our template guru and usually handles or corrects template work.


 * So, what, were you trying to auto-categorise for races? We do do auto-categorisation for other infobox entries, but the sheer number of possibilities for races, subraces, and templated race, such as half–shadow dragon liches, and the need to form plurals from "dwarf" to "dwarves" and so on, seems like it would make this prohibitively complicated. Some things are better done manually. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:06, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Partially that, partially formatting, so your half–shadow dragon liches, for example, would be something like race=Dragon|subrace=half–shadow dragon|extrarace1=lich or if you think thats a problem I could have a var called altrace which would override race/subrace but link to race or subrace and not catergorise. This would then categorise these under Dragon and Lich. I don't think there is a need for plurals, you could just have category:Dragon or category:Dragon (Race) or category:Creature Dragon or something, whatever the prefix or affix you want. Abedecain [[file:Abedecain_Cake.gif‎|alt=Cake|32px]] - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 12:19, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * We already have a well-established system of categories for races that we are not changing under any circumstances, because that would be a huge mess. And half-dragons are not true dragons, so they should not be categorised as dragons. This can all be done manually with less effort and disruption. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:25, August 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah okay, doesn't mean it can't be automated :), so looking at it you have all the subcategories of the categories in Category:Creatures_by_type, that's doable, just need to take a singular and give the correct category, if none match, no category, I'll make a version and make a talk page when its ready, sound good? Abedecain [[file:Abedecain_Cake.gif‎|alt=Cake|32px]] - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 12:43, August 12, 2019 (UTC)