Talk:1369 DR

The Baldur's Gate Novels timeline can be considered retconned by the addition of the Siege of Dragonspear event that does not appear as a novel. Without that event fitting everything in one year works, with that event it simply does not. GoblinCookie (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a note about the BGII timeline continuity as well. I hope that helps clear things up! Ruf (talk) 16:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The timing is a bloody mess. Baldur's Gate 1 starts in 1368, Mirtul (May), Baldur's Gate 2 starts in 1369 also Mirtul (May).  When does Siege of Dragonspear start, Uktar (November) 1368 by default.  That implies that 'canonically' Baldur's Gate 1 took 8 months to conclude, which makes sense (a lot happens).  The whole of Siege of Dragonspear happened between Uktar 1368 and Mirtul 1369, which gives us 6 months.  Thing is the events may have been concluded *by* 1369 because we have an indeterminate amount of time when Abdul is stuck in Irenicus's prison.


 * That seems unlikely however, probably Siege of Dragonspear events took more than 2 months to conclude, which would mean that it actually happened in 1369 as well. Probably Throne of Bhaal ended in winter of 1369 but it equally possible it was actually early 1370 that it ended.GoblinCookie (talk) 16:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I was just going over this in my head while reviewing the timeline. At one of the Siege of Dragonspear chapter beginnings the scroll talks about about the weeks spent marching north, though I do not recall if it moved the in-game journal date forward. It makes sense to me that the events of the game would take months as thee Coalition army marches across a great distance on the Sword Coast, but the only proof we have is the beginning of SoA.


 * While I agree with your point that ToB could very well end in 1370 DR, there is no proof of that just yet. I am hoping some of the history/lore books in Baldur's Gate III may clear some things up. I appreciate your input on this, the BG project took a while to get together. Ruf (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

That is kind of the problem, the dates in the book do not work anymore because of Siege of Dragonspear which means the only dates we have are the default starting dates for the four games. When the dates are very late in the year we have the problem that reasonably we could expect the events to actually spill-over into the next year. We would not expect the Siege of Dragonspear to last less than 2 months for instance. The progress actual in-game journal is quite broken so it does not help us much. There is no consistency in the passing of time in it. GoblinCookie (talk) 17:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, we cannot reasonably assume the events of Siege of Dragonspear spilled over into 1369 DR. We have two set dates here, one for the start of Siege and the other for the start of Shadows of Amn. Anything beyond that is speculation. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes that is the problem, that we have to date something but we do not have any definite time for it happening. I think that is what notes are for. GoblinCookie (talk) 18:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Certainly, but the events for Siege should be listed in the 1368 DR article as that is the only definite data point we have for that entire campaign. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

That would be a very unlikely eventuality. That it begun in 1368 is not in question, but it ending then is an inference. That it ended in 1369 is also an inference, but a far more likely story. There is no definite canon ending date basically and really there cannot be because of the way those games work. GoblinCookie (talk) 19:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)