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Where in 3-3.5 edition does it say that humans, elves, dwarves, etc. are subtypes? I looked in the monster manuals and didn't find any examples. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 01:40, March 3, 2018 (UTC)


 * Did you look in the Monster Manuals? or the PHB? Because the dwarf entry in MMv.3.5 lists dwarf as a subtype. The same goes for the elf entry and the halfling entry and the gnome entry. I only added ones to the list that are clearly marked as such in the 3e and v.3.5 Monster Manuals. They are not listed like that whenever a race is talked about as a playable race, only if listed as a monster. But almost every single playable race is. ~ Lhynard (talk) 01:46, March 3, 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah, I think I see the problem. Using dwarf as an example, you are looking at the top of page 91 in the MMv3.5 were it shows it in parentheses. I was looking at the list of types and subtypes on page 5 where it shows a list of Humanoid types, including dwarves, but clearly not as subtypes in parentheses. Which do you think is correct?
 * Another question: Since we have added edition to the type categories (like Category:Humanoids (3e)), do we need to do the same for subtypes/keywords/tags (3e/4e/5e respectively)? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:02, March 3, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think that the list on page 5 simply is not exhaustive. In 3e, 4e, and 5e, the texts indicate that subtypes (or keywords or tags) are not limited to the ones listed in the introductions.


 * I also don't think that we need to have them separated out with parentheses, but I do think that we need separate parent categories for them, which I am working on right now. :)


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 02:42, March 3, 2018 (UTC)


 * The question isn't if the list is exhaustive, the question is does the list of Humanoids (labeled without surrounding parentheses on page 5) mean that dwarves are just  with no subtype, or, does the "(Dwarf)" after the size and type on page 91 mean that  . I found the answer on page 310: "Every humanoid creature also has a subtype, such as elf, goblinoid, or reptilian."
 * To clarify, I was asking if we need to make the categories like Category:Goblinoids (3e) because some of the names mean different things in different editions. For example, Undead is a type in 3e and 5e, but it's a keyword in 4e. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 04:22, March 3, 2018 (UTC)