User talk:Unknown user 11

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— Hashimashadoo (talk) 16:18, February 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice... I like the name :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:18, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism
User 11, please read our plagiarism policy... rewrite all edits in your OWN words... it is okay to create 1 page a day... High admin BadCat saves his pages to a word document and rewrites the entire page, then uploads it... remember this wiki is not about getting as many pages as possible published or getting the most edits... it is about preserving the wonderful knowledge of the Realms, and to keep our website safe from being closed by Wizards for copying their own personal material... if you have any questions feel free to ask or any other admin, thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC) Yes, I know, sorry, usually I did correct (I hope) Maligor I did before go to bed and my purpose was edit all correctly today

Varramzord
User 11, please check out the webpage: http://dndadventurersleague.org/villains-of-tyranny-of-dragons/02-latest-story_villians_varram_t_140708/ Thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 21:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)


 * I check the page but not understand, where is the problem?? Unknown user 11 (talk) 23:13, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

User 11, you kept changing the article name, such as deleting undeserving and changing whisperer to wyrmspeaker... - Darkwynters (talk) 23:51, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I saw, I said in the Varramzord's page that my automatic corrector made mistake and I not acknowledge the error, Hope now is all okay (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:00, March 11, 2015 (UTC))

Good to have you on board
Hey Unkown user 11, just wanted to say is really nice to see you getting stuck in. It takes a little while to get used to things but Darkwynters and BadCatMan are really good at pointing us in the right direction. The more hands the better...and remember if you are ever confused just drop one us a message or even ask in the Forum. Keep up the good work.--Eli the Tanner (talk) 00:02, March 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the nice words (Unknown user 11 (talk) 09:20, March 13, 2015 (UTC))


 * User 11, excellent work on the Asbarode page :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:47, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Templates

 * User 11, admin Movie just wrote an excellent help paragraph, so I am posting it for you and changing a few words to fit your needs :)


 * Thanks for your Yozumian Dudui Yinochek article, it's a good start :) You chose to write an article about a person, so the next step would be to add the Person infobox to your page, and fill it out as best you can. You can copy and paste it from the "Usage" section. If you follow that link and scroll down, you'll see the "Standardized Sections". These are the general guidelines we use for articles about locations. Copy and paste them into your page, add your info (and anything else that the headings might suggest to you) and delete the ones you don't use. Take a look at other person articles to see how they are put together. Don't worry about getting it perfect, one of the other editors or admins will come along and tidy up if it needs it. Just remember to write everything in your own words (with few exceptions, we cannot accept passages copied directly from the source), and put it in past tense (see the Past Tense Policy and Plagiarism policy). And most of all, have fun! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:04, March 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * This is awesome advice from Movie... So please slow down... I know you like creating new pages, but sometimes it looks like you quickly write up the articles and do not take the time to review your work... all in all, you are doing great work on this wiki :) - Darkwynters (talk) 22:46, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

What next?
Now that you are finished your Knights of the Shield project, what next? ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:55, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Not yet sure, I think I continue to upload from Cloak and Dagger (I LOVE secret societies) but not decided yet my next target (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC))


 * You could go back and add more detail to existing articles. For example, the secret of what Morntel is up to is explained at Morntel (elder). It would help to flesh out the former article by making that clear.


 * BTW, semi-colons, ";", are mostly only used to make complex lists (when an item in the list is a list itself or a phrase with commas) or to add a little more information to support another sentence. In many cases, you don't need to use them. You can just start a new sentence. It would make your writer much easier, I think. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:08, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

About the ";" are a particularity of my mother language (and of myself in particular) so most time I no consider, for me are the same than ".". About the two Morntel I followed what it's write in the CaD(Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC))

Errors
Hi. I would like to ask you to please take more care with the articles you create. I've noticed in the past that small errors have crept in, errors that slightly change the meaning of what the sourcebooks say, and I've corrected those. However, some of the latest articles I've checked have had major errors and changes in the meaning. For example:

Burak: The sourcebook says the "cargo" – the slaves – are given to the sadistic crew to do what they want to (enslaved again, tortured, eaten, killed, anything), and the slaves are never seen again. But you said "he showed to slaver no mercy al all and made slaves part of his crew", saying that the slaves are freed and allowed to join the crew. Nothing could be further from the truth. User:MaulMachine improved on that, but didn't know what the real story was.

Boruse Temlor: The sourcebook says Kandar "holds him in contempt for his lack of subtle machinations", meaning Kandar looked down on Boruse for not engaging in scheming. But you said he "thought that Boruse was too concerned about plots", meaning that Boruse is engaging in too much scheming. That's entirely the opposite meaning.

Doryn: You said he was an innkeeper (someone who manages an inn), but he only works at an inn. His main occupation is a stableboy and handyman. You said "but he found pride in his ability to read and write" though the sourcebook says nothing about this pride, only that he sees a lot of what's going on. You also said "a thing that no Zhent know." The meaning of this could go both ways: maybe that the Zhents don't know about his ability to read and write (correct), but it can also be read as meaning that the Zhents don't know how to read and write (false). Talking about Doryn's pride first only implies the second case.

I understand that English isn't your first language and you have difficulties with it (even some people raised on it struggle with it). We don't mind polishing the spelling and grammar in your articles (though I wish you didn't write quite so many of them, as it's hard to keep up). However, these errors and big changes in meaning really hamper the accuracy of the wiki, and we want to be reliable and trustworthy to all users.

So, please take more care in reading the sourcebooks and writing your articles. For example, re-read the information in the sourcebook to confirm you understand what it's saying. If something looks strange or unlikely, double-check it. You can look up unfamiliar words in a dictionary; there any many good online ones. When you write your article, read it back and double-check that it says the same things as the sourcebook did. If there is a small phrase or word you are unsure of, if you don't understand its meaning or don't know how to rephrase it, then it is okay to quote it without making it plagiarism. For example, for Boruse, we could say "Kandar was contemptuous of Boruse for his lack of subtle machinations".

I hope this was helpful to you. — BadCatMan (talk) 11:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Effectually for me was very problematic the translation of that sourcebook "The Moonsea", and obviously it's caused errors, for example I really misunderstanding the story of Burak; fortunately when I check again the pages for made adjustments I found that were mostly corrected by other users. Also thank for your advice about dictionaries but my problems were more about syntax than translation and for this it's more difficult found solutions. And be not mother language made for me plagiarism a more serious matter As last note, I preferred create articles and later correct, maybe next time that I'm not sure about meaning I can signal with a "Work on" advice. Sure I hope to not bothered you too much with the corrections, I NEVER like create bad articles. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 15:24, May 22, 2015 (UTC))


 * Hey Unknown User 11, I can imagine paraphasing translations can be quite tricky. Would you consider creating articles in your native language like we have for Faerûnpedia (the german version of this site)--Eli the Tanner (talk) 22:05, May 22, 2015 (UTC)?


 * Thank for the suggestion Eli but for many reasons I believe was TOO difficult, more easy corrects my articles here (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:37, May 23, 2015 (UTC))


 * Are you working off translations of the sourcebooks? Okay, I can see how that would further alter the meaning of the text, from English to your language and back while paraphrasing. If the translations themselves are of poor quality, then I would recommend looking at the English originals for comparison and education. You can get a bunch of old sourcebooks for free here.


 * I don't recommend creating the articles and intending to come back later and revise them. You might forget to come back (there are an awful lot), and other readers will see them and work on them in the mean time. Your language in the original articles is much better than in these comments, so it's clear you can write well when spending a little more time on it. So, I recommend taking the time to write a good enough article first off, before even publishing it. There's no rush to fill the wiki. Eli writes great articles with only one a week. Let's please try that: a slower pace that the other editors can keep up with.


 * There's also a Finnish wiki. I'm not aware of any others, though you might start one. What is your native language, if you don't mind me asking? My work is editing translations and work from non-native-English speakers, though I'm not a translator myself. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:00, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

About translation yes sometime happen and next time I remember your advice but sometime (when I was tired or stressed) I had problem in my mind when reading english sourcebook. My mother language is italian but I have for many reason no intention to start a Wiki in my language. For the creation of too many articles in few times, I think we have a very different approach to editing, this is one of the reason I had doubts about register. This for me is a hobby, if I have free time and I want create an article about a NPC I do. I repeat, I don't like create bad articles, plus I don't care if you or other user editing my articles(Unknown user 11 (talk) 10:17, May 23, 2015 (UTC))


 * This is the main reason we wanted to you to register, so we could keep track of your work for problems just like this. It's easier to search for work by a known user than an anonymous user's IP address. So again, thank for you registering.
 * It's my hobby too, of course, but most of my free time for the wiki goes into improving other users' articles. — BadCatMan (talk) 10:53, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is one of the reason because I had no intention to start a wiki, I really no envy you. About the factcheck like I said before, sure it's better check all from "The Moonsae" sourcebook but I'm pretty sure that most of the others (especially the from "Cloak and Dagger", that I had in my possession and had more time to read and check) are correct, so hope you recheck quickly all. Rationality I understand all the matter but emotionally was humiliating have that template to articles that I spend time and passion to did. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:46, May 23, 2015 (UTC))


 * I will check a few more later and when I feel confident that the older articles agree with the sources, I will remove the tags and concentrate on the Moonsea pages. Don't worry, this kind of thing happens to us all. :) — BadCatMan (talk) 13:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, I've removed the Factcheck tags from the rest of your articles. I will continue to check those that came from The Moonsea. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:52, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

good, (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:04, May 27, 2015 (UTC))

Editing
User 11, I would just like to say nice work on the wiki... keep up the good work :) - Darkwynters (talk) 21:32, July 16, 2015 (UTC) Thanks, it was always good to be appreciate for the work (Unknown user 11 (talk) 21:38, July 16, 2015 (UTC))

Hey, User 11, why are you condensing your infoboxes... it makes it hard to edit - Darkwynters (talk) 18:30, November 8, 2015 (UTC) I not really know what happen, I notice the condensation of info box but was a sort of error that I don't understand as fix (Unknown user 11 (talk) 21:51, November 8, 2015 (UTC))

Caps and Stubs
Quick tip when making pages: don't forget to capitalize anything found within the infoboxes. (Dwarf and not dwarf). Only use the Stub tag if the article is extremely basic and needs a lot of work. Use the Incomplete tag for smaller articles where more information needs to be added. :) Artemaz (talk) 14:17, November 4, 2015 (UTC) Thank, I had this discussion also with BatCat but was in part for a different meaning that stub and incomplete have in my mother language (Unknown user 11 (talk) 17:32, November 4, 2015 (UTC))


 * A lot of people are confused about the stub and incomplete tags. Keep up the great work! Artemaz (talk) 17:38, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, you need to capitalize words that go into the infobox on the pages you are creating. Artemaz (talk) 20:25, November 14, 2015 (UTC) SERIOUSLY I don't understand what happened to info box I created recently, was a kind of bug (Unknown user 11 (talk) 22:34, November 14, 2015 (UTC))

Infobox Crushing
Hi, I just fixed all of your pages you made and/or edited today, and I would think since the admins normally fix this that it probably annoys them very much. Here is a great thread where I posted the main method to stop this from happening: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Infobox_crushing This will not stop every single infobox from collapsing, but it is a start. Gem Hound (talk) 19:13, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank, like I said to admin, this problem happened just from nine or ten days, after a day that for unknown reasons the wiki not work. I saw your forum page but to be honest I not understand, I no very good to those things and english is no my motherlaguage so maybe I miss somethings. What I can said is that I have a Mac and use Safari as internet browser and usually I copy and paste from my previously pages.

I clearly put screenshots in my post. Use "Edit Source" instead of "Edit". It will help. Gem Hound (talk) 23:20, November 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * User 11, if you are just copy and pasting... use your Surruk page as an example... it has all the right capitalization and the most recent infobox :) Darkwynters (talk) 00:41, November 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know that English is not your mother-language, so I wanted to check that you understand what Darkwynter's asked.


 * Do you understand what Darkwynters asked you to do?


 * Will you copy-and-paste from you Surruk page now?


 * You do not seem to have done this with your newest pages.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:20, November 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * yes, I understand, I have not problem with current english, only with some terms used for editing.
 * I not use Surruk page but an other recent no-crushed page and made all new edits using "Edit Source" instead of "Edit" from that, this help but sure not resolve. I believed was a kind of bug and I had no knowledge to clean it. Sorry but until resolve probably I need help of all to clean my pages.....


 * The newest pages you have made&mdash;for example, Florio&mdash;are no longer "crushed". That is good, but they still have a few annoying/frustrating problems:
 * You are not capitalizing the first word of every entry in the infoboxes. For example,
 * should be:
 * The equals signs (=) are not lined up vertically like they should be. For example,
 * should be:
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
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 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * should be:
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
 * Thanks!
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * User 11, I know this might seem OCD, but, when editing an infobox, having the = line up helps visually. The capitaliztion is both correct grammar and also looks professional :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:09, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, really thank I FINALLY understand what mean capitalization ( Artemaz will be happy, he always remind me about), so okay I will remember this. But about the (=) sorry Lhynard but about this you are really TOO technical for me, I understand NOTHING about what I will do

Giant Races
The different sub-types of giants are considered different races in core D&D and in the Forgotten Realms. When creating a page for a giant, use the  parameter only for entering something like "Stone giant". Do not use the  field. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:51, January 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * In User 11's defense... I started doing this... I guess having a "subrace" line is more what I was going for... You are right, a stone giant is not an ethnic group of giant... Can we add a subrace line to the Person template? Thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 06:47, January 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why you need a subrace parameter for Person. If a person is a stone giant, then that is his or her race (which should be linked to the Creature page). The Creature page should describe any sub-types or subraces in the general sense, but I don't see a need to specify this biological classification for an individual because the race tells you everything you need to know. Saying Cephalossk is an ulitharid is enough. If someone wants to know that ulitharid is a subrace of illithid, they can click on the link. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:17, January 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Usually, I like having extra params for infoboxes, but in this case, I agree with Movie. The difference between a race and an ethnicity is that the former has significantly different abilities, skills, feats, HD, etc.&mdash;different "rules". Ethnicities primarily have different cultures, languages, and superficial physical traits, but they all share the same "rules" for within their race. A subrace, on the other hand, is simply another race, only one that is closely related to another.


 * In the case of giants, they aren't even subraces. They are so wildly different from each other stats-wise that they are treated as distinct races. They only share the same type.


 * I think using ethnicity for Batiri or Bakemono makes sense, so I don't think it needs to be limited to only humans, but a subrace simply is another race. In the case of "elf", technically, it's not really a race; it's a collection of one of five (or six or seven) closely related races.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:28, January 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Argg *two arrows slam into DW and he falls* Totally cool :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:58, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Organization Members
If someone is affiliated with organization X, whether they are a simple member or even the leader, then they get the category "Members of X." Why do you keep removing the category? Artemaz (talk) 18:23, January 15, 2016 (UTC) Artemaz, sorry for this discussion, I LOVE categories, I always tried to include people in a organization. BUT two thing: 1) I not agree in create a category with only ONE member (and I KNOW that we add nobody more myconid members of the Circle of Explorer) 2) In particular case of myconid those guys were mushrooms, we don't know if those circles are a serious organization, a state of mind or a different kind of stuff, I know nothing about myconid before. So again in general I like you guy, you usually add useful integrations to my pages, I agree with you normally but for those myconids I believed was no correct add an organization category; maybe with more informations I change mind but not now

18,000
Unless I miscounted, your Sloopidoop page was the 18,000th page on the wiki. Congratulations! and thanks for your contributions. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:09, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

1E Characters
Don't forget to make all of these characters from Swords of the Daimyo with 1E classes and not 2E classes. 2E was not released until 1989 and Swords of the Daimyo was released in 1986. Artemaz (talk) 13:08, May 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * I had this doubt before starting but nobody minus you corrected me. Plus I saw that also Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms module was classified as 1th sourcebook but all the pages in the wiki had a 2th classes. I think when need a clarification about from User:BadCatMan or an other administrators(Unknown user 11 (talk) 13:14, May 5, 2016 (UTC))


 * That's a good point. Let's see what one of the admins says about it. Artemaz (talk) 13:31, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yes I copy the all discussion to Bad, we wait and saw, the new NPC I add now had no class, so were okay

Kara-Tur characters
Hi Unknown.

Just a small request: please slow down! :) You've made dozens of articles just this week. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but if you slow down and take your time, focus on one at a time, you can craft more complete and better articles. The wiki doesn't exactly need the sheer volume of minor characters. Furthermore, it makes it harder for the rest of us to fix all these articles, especially if a problem occurs like we had with the editions. I often spend more time repairing your articles than on my own projects.

I've been working on Koryo, and intend to do the characters there myself, so you don't have to cover that chapter of Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms: Volume II. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:24, May 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Please also make sure you check the revisions we make to your articles so you can see ways to improve your work and writing.


 * For one thing, you don't have to repeat full references all the time: for example, use the first time, and then for later calls to the same reference.


 * Use an upper-case letter to begin lines in the infobox, as these are effectively sentences or labels.


 * Use "who" when referring to people, not "that", which is more common for objects. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:36, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

We had this discussion before; sometime I had free time and made MANY page I know sorry. Plus these guy from Miyama were describe in just one or two sentence so took few time create.

I never thought to cover Koryo without asking your permission, but in all case I had A LOT of work for Kozakura now.

Plus I ALWAYS check all revisions in order to improve myself (and I believe to do a little better than before now). Now I go to work to for five or six hours no edit for sure, after we see (Unknown user 11 (talk) 11:47, May 8, 2016 (UTC))


 * Looking at the recent batch, you've been spending less than 5–9 minutes to make each article. I think that's too little time, given the need to research and fact-check, and your difficulties with English. Myself, I would spend a longer time making articles of this kind, especially in Kara-Tur with its gratuitous Japanese.


 * Furthermore, when I check your articles against the sourcebooks, most of them are incomplete, missing either minor or important information, or they're just stubs, missing almost everything. In all cases, another editor needs to revise the article to improve the English and wiki style, and another editor needs to actually complete the article. For example, compare your work on [Naedaenya Arthas] and how I later developed it, Naedaenya Arthas.


 * If you're checking all the revisions, then please also check the edit summaries. I regularly give little suggestions and explain problems, but I keep seeing the same problems coming up in your work. I don't mind checking and copy-editing the English – it really is my job – but I hope you're getting something out of it and improving. Otherwise, I should just tag them with cleanup and ignore them.


 * We don't actually need this quantity of articles, and, to be honest, most articles don't even get read, yours and mine. But what we all appreciate are quality articles. So, I recommend not to mass-produce hundreds of stubby articles, but to focus on making a few good, complete articles. Take your time, don't rush through them. That will be a more satisfying project and give you better practice with English. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:43, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Like I said before all those guys from Miyama had few sentence that describe them, so was easy and need few time made their page, and was the reason I made so much (usually I use for wiki one hour and half, in that time I can made maybe 30 guys from miyama, when I arrive to soucebook with more complex NPC sure I slow down much. Plus I read ALL about edit if I have time (Unknown user 11 (talk) 20:55, May 8, 2016 (UTC))