Talk:Undercommon

Deep Speech ≠ Undercommon in 5th edition
In the Player's Handbook 5th edition, Deep Speech and Undercommon are described as separate languages. Deep Speech is identified as spoken by Mind flayers and Beholders, while Undercommon is the language spoken by the other Underdark dwellers. Should they be listed as distinct languages? -- Sirwhiteout (talk) 16:21, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Good to know. As far as I know, Deep Speech was a 4e invention. I'm the resident language guy here, but I don't know much about 4e, so I cannot confirm that. I'm all for splitting them out, but we need to be careful. If a 4e source said a creature spoke Deep Speech, we should probably put that here as Undercommon, and only use Deep Speech separately if form a 5e source. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:38, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * I checked the source in the article as is, and none mentioned Deep Speech. It was probably some edit made when the 4e switch was made. Back then, people tried retroactively changing things here and did so without giving sources. It may be that 4e made them the same, but if there is not a source for it, then I do not care. If anyone ever wants to source it, they can add a note on this article and at Deep Speech about how "some scholars used the terms 'Deep Speech' and 'Undercommon' synonymously, but they were in fact distinct languages."


 * So, I've renamed this article, and I am deleting all references to Deep Speech across the wiki unless it had been added by you. Please feel free to make a Deep Speech article.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:55, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Deep Speech never seemed to be a replacement for Undercommon; many races that spoke Undercommon did not speak Deep Speech in 4e (the drow most notably), and the description characterized it not as an Underdark language but as one of aberrations. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 04:30, September 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's good to know. Thanks. This article was simply incorrect then, and a bunch of articles were following its lead. I think the problem should be mostly corrected now. Feel free to add 4e references to any language fields you see that need them. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:02, September 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I made a page for Deep Speech, and actually reading the description for it in the DMG made it extremely clear that whoever conflated the two pages was wrong. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:46, September 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:44, September 29, 2016 (UTC)