Talk:Orthinos Eln

Dead in Thay
I cannot find this character in the Dead in Thay adventure... also evil is a 4th edition concept... can anyone prove or disprove these citations? Thanks - Darkwynters (talk) 22:38, September 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not seeing him in my copy of Dead in Thay, either. In fact, the only mentions of him I found when I did a Google search for him were links to this wiki and to excerpts from the Neverwinter Campaign Setting. However, on page 110 of that sourcebook (notably also the only valid citation on the page) it mentions that "his alignment is evil, not chaotic evil. Then add the powers and traits that turn a human into a shade..."


 * I think the citations should all be changed to reference that page. However, in my opinion his race should be changed to shade. I'm still unclear as to the difference between shade and Shadovar (is it specifically those Netherese who returned with Thultanthar in 1372 DR, or does it encompass all Netherese who have become shades?). Just my two cents. 73.150.122.43 23:57, September 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Just researching this: In 4E, a shade is simply a class, and some but not all Netherese are shades. According to the 4E Neverwinter Campaign Setting page 114: "Some Shade Enclave [e.g., Shadovar] citizens absorbed so much of the Shadowfell that they were either transformed into, or later gave birth to, creatures of shadow. To create a shade...." -- BrentNewhall

Sorry my mistake, I made a error in editing, he only appear in Neverwinter campaign setting (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:50, September 2, 2015 (UTC))