Template talk:Pronounce

Multiple words
Great job with this template! I guess we could move the discussion regarding details on the template that started there to this page.

As a first feature request post-implementation, could the template include a way to accommodate multiple words? For example, Ras Nsi should not have the dash between RAZ and nuh. &mdash; Sirwhiteout (talk) 15:42, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think I can do that. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:48, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Done. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:09, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

Progress Toward IPA
So, I've made a huge amount of progress, I think. I have it so that the (sandbox version of the) template generates the IPA correctly, to the best of my knowledge. I've used a merging of the Dragon article and Wikipedia's standards. Here are the examples:

Examples










To Do

 * Pre-convert some phonetic spellings that are not standard or are weird, such as "RILL" instead of "RIL", "@" for "&aelig;" etc. &mdash; ✅
 * Deal with accent. As you can see, right now it just shoves all the syllables together. &mdash; ✅
 * Add the links to the help pages (and create the help pages [✅] and redirects).

Help Page
Here is the new help page for general pronunciation matters: Help:Pronunciation guides

~ Lhynard (talk) 02:38, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Quirks & Queries
Some of the pronunciation examples seem to depend on local accents. For example, in "halfling", "half" is pronounced /hɑːf/ in a Standard English–based accent (like what I'm used to in Australian) and as /hæf/ in a General American accent, which is what's used here. Should the accent be mentioned here?

Doing the Pronounce templates for Ilmater, the sourcebooks gave "ihl-" and "ill-", which the templates process to the same IPA, "/ɪl/". The Pronunciation Table suggests this is working as intended, but is something missing? I thought "h" might indicate an aspiration. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:46, May 20, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, pronunciation is extremely dependent on local accent, and the /æ/ of American English is a perfect example. I would rather leave it off and use /ɑː/, but the Dragon article makes it clear that it is present in a large number of the words. (As other examples, I, and many Americans, literally cannot hear the difference between /ɑː/ and /ɔː/, and even though I am using /r/ here to represent English "r", English "r" is actually /ɹ/. What I came to was based highly on the solutions that Wikipedia agreed on, with a few exceptions. Until WotC gives us IPA in sourcebooks, it's hard to do much better, I think.) I agree that it is worth mentioning that the sourcebooks are giving American accents, just as they give American spellings. I wish that weren't the case, but it is what it is. (Do the translations of sourcebooks into other languages have IPA?)


 * As far as the "ih" respelling, while IPA /h/ is always pronounced, in English phonetic respelling "h" after a vowel is basically used as a silent marker to help clarify vowel sounds. "i" and "ih" are the same, but "u" and "uh" are different. I didn't make that up.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:11, May 20, 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. I know zip about IPA, so I'll take your word for it. :) I always thought the phonetic respellings were basically ad hoc. I haven't seen a foreign translation, so I don't know how they do it.


 * Alright. If "ihl-" and "ill-" are equivalent, should I just pick one over the other? If so, which: the latest published, or the more IPA-friendly "il-"? — BadCatMan (talk) 09:15, May 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * I would just pick one over the other but include both references with the  field. I see it that the sources agree on how the word is pronounced; they just express it differently. Yes, I would personally use "il-", but as you can see, it doesn't really matter here. ~ Lhynard (talk) 12:08, May 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * More questions. If a word has multiple stresses, how do I know which should have the primary stress? Is it just the first one? What if a pronunciation has no stresses? I'm looking at the Ylraphon here, with its ever-changing pronunciations and spelling. — BadCatMan (talk) 10:15, May 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * The problem is that many of the sourcebooks do a rather terrible job at the respelling thing and use no standard, so we sometimes will have to make judgment calls. For primary stress, I coded it up to pick the first stress as primary if the user did not fill in the  field, but that was arbitrary. I would go with how you personally pronounce it or take some sort of average if there are multiple sources. ~ Lhynard (talk) 12:08, May 21, 2018 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:41, May 21, 2018 (UTC)