Talk:Crypt of the Shadowking

Correct Year
The Realms Year would be 1364 (As in the Villain’s Lorebook it states that Ravendas took hold of Iriaebor in 1363 DR, and in pg 40 of the novel it says that she took hold of Iriaebor about a year ago. Also in pg 15 of Polyhedron Newszine #93, in the Shadevar description in also says the Realms year is 1364. And as it definitely is not 1357, since there are priests of Cyric in the novel. As well as in pg 98 in Villain’s Lorebook The same as in the Polyhedron #93, that the Fellowship of the Dreaming Dragon encountered a shadevar in the year 1364 DR.)


 * Hi AlexMcClay, I moved your comments here about the correct year over here to the talk page. Please keep up the great work with the index and summary! Ruf (talk) 12:45, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

The Realms year is 1362 DR as Ed cleared it up in a tweet.

https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1229054227776966661


 * Greenwood is mistaken, especially when you give him incorrect information; the main sources say 1363, not 1364, and no source said 1362. He only said that because you told him it was from Grand History. He didn't even write the novels or sourcebooks in question, so why people pester him with things he's not responsible for is beyond me. This was already solvable through research. I'm going to go through the evidence to clear this up.


 * First, Polyhedron 93, page 15. It says 1364 for the shadevari appearance, but that's low down our canon rankings.


 * Second, Villain's Lorebook page 15 explicitly has the events of Crypt of the Shadowking begin in 1363 DR, with the earlier events in about 1357 DR, the "seven years" ago of the novel. Page 98 also puts the shadevar appearance in 1364 DR, which contradicts the earlier information in the same book. Either it's in error or the novel runs over 1363/1364. In fact, the shadevar write-up seems to rewrite the Polyhedron version, which is why it retains the 1364 date.


 * Third, The Grand History of the Realms page 146 also explicitly dates the events of Crypt to 1363 DR. Its mid-Hammer to mid-Marpenoth (ten months) covers the "a year or so ago" mentioned in Crypt. It's shorter than expected, but it fits.


 * Fourth, Presenting... Seven Millennia of Realms Fiction is plainly wrong with its 1357 and 1360 dates from Crypt and Curse of the Shadowmage. The 1357 date is probably meant to refer to the past events of the novel, but it got screwed up. So, ignore this.


 * The sourcebooks are in agreement, and our Canon policy supports them. 1362 is utterly impossible. 1364 is possible but contradicted. 1363 is accurate and well supported. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:03, April 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * I think even Grand History of the Realms is wrong. I missed the event in 1363 DR, but according to the Grand History of the Realms, The events of Curse of the Shadowmage, the novel that follows the events of Crypt, is set in 1364 DR, and according to the novel, in page 10, the novel starts in the Month Uktar, then after that in page 20 it says that the events of the crypt happened TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, implying that the novel Crypt of the Shadowking happened in 1362 DR. The Grand History of the Realms seems to have it wrong, but it's your wiki, so you can decide whatever you want. I'll have it as 1362 DR in my notes.


 * Again the "1362 is utterly impossible' sounds really negative towards me, I did this research and you're treating it like I did nothing, which makes me feel a bit annoyed. Your wiki, your rules, do what you want.


 * As for the 1363 DR, according to Villans lore book, the novel STARTS in 1364 DR, but Estah mentions that Ravendas took over Iriaebor a year ago, 1363 DR, that's the 1363 DR that the Villans lorebook mentions. I guess the prologue was set in 1363 DR, or maybe 1362 DR, but i don't know about that. AlexMcClay (talk) 15:45, April 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not my wiki, it's everyone's wiki. They're not my rules, they're the rules everyone who's worked here has agreed to. Since you copied chunks of the novel, and left me to clean it up; then copied lines from the novel again, and left me to clean it up; misnamed various articles, and left me to clean it up; and bothered Ed Greenwood with false information to have your way on the date, well, I'm afraid I'm not well-disposed to your research. First, try doing some. Second, communicate it clearly and accurately. The canon lore is retconned and re-dated all the time. This isn't something we fix with a pet theory, even by tricking Greenwood into backing it up. We note the issue clearly and use the most recent, most valid sources. — BadCatMan (talk) 16:09, April 3, 2020 (UTC)