Talk:Shadar-kai

Hi, guys. Long time no see (real life stuff, a really long story and that stuff). To the point. I've been reading Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, and, well, if you're following the topic at Candlekeep forums, you know that the fey (or more accurately, elven) shadar-kai are once again THE shadar-kai, and that they are related to the Raven Queen. Also, some people in the Realms know about her (at the very least, Alustriel Silverhand does). So, should we update this article with the information presented in the Tome of Foes? Should we create an article for the Raven Queen (at least, her incarnation in the mentioned book)? Well, that is. Glad to be here again. --Zero (talk) 01:56, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! Lhynard and I have been having a similar discussion in the eladrin talk page. From my reading of the elf chapter, it looks like Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes also at least hints at all previous versions of eladrin as being essentially the same, the only major difference being how long they spent in the Feywild and how much of their "primal" state they regained as a consequence. It seem to be the case with the Shadar-kai as well, although the book is conspicuously silent on the 4e version of them. As for that quote from Alustriel about the Raven Queen, it is probably a consequence of Evermeet being now connected to other worlds as well, which is pretty cool. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 17:11, May 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmm. I would've said that the change from fey to elf should be reason enough to treat them as different races, but it seems pretty clear WotC now wants to make the line between elf and fey and eladrin as fuzzy as possible. So I'll neglect that.


 * So, are these 5e shadar-kai compatible with the 3e shadar-kai, in their history, culture, and society? So far, what I've heard of the history suggests it might be a filled-in-the-blanks version of the original vague origin story. If the culture and society are close enough, I'm in favour of including the new ones here. If they go yet in another direction, perhaps a third shadar-kai article would be more effective, being better focused on the new race.


 * In any case, we'd need to rename the articles again so the new shadar-kai are the first ones found in a search. — BadCatMan (talk) 05:48, June 1, 2018 (UTC)