Template talk:Succession box

What's the deal with this infobox? It claims to be deprecated, but the links for its so-called replacement are all broken.

I would propose an alternative Person infobox for rulers with additional information regarding succession. What do you all think? ~ Lhynard (talk) 06:24, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * This looks like someone tried, or was planning on copying, wikipedia's templates. I doubt we need anything as complicated as wikipedia can handle. I'll try to take a look at this template over the holiday weekend and see what's up. In the meantime, post your suggestions for layout and features here.&mdash;Moviesign (talk) 16:22, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think you are right; Wikipedia has a lot of overkill. I was browsing some pages on kings and queens&mdash;the person box includes "preceded by" and "succeeded by", but the same pages also often include multiple styles of family trees in addition to boxes at the bottom that again repeat the succession line! I think the quickest, cleanest, and most-straightforward thing to do would be to simply expand our current person info box to have an optional section for rulers that includes "start of reign", "end of reign", "preceded by", "succeeded by" (or "heir" if still reigning), and perhaps "dominion" and "location of court".


 * If this is agreeable to folks, I can easily implement this in the next few days. ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:48, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, first, look at Silverymoon and see how it is currently working. The Split table is used for two-column lists in infoboxes. There have been grumblings about how it bolds the second column, so some style tweaks might be in order, but it is widely used throughout the wiki. I don't believe there is room in the infobox for all that stuff you mentioned; it would be more than two columns wide and the box would have to grow to accommodate it, or else the box would become really long. If the succession info is that complex, it should just get its own stand-alone article or a full-page-width table that doesn't cram a ton of info into a small space. If you have ideas, feel free to work up examples in your sandbox and start a Forum discussion about it. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 23:20, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll come up with some ideas in my sandbox in the next few days. ~ Lhynard (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Check out these examples of what I was thinking. (I never was intending to have long succession boxes for country articles, only additional info for persons who were rulers.) What do you think? It doesn't seem to make the boxes too long IMO.


 * (It might also be fun to have the template color the boxes differently for persons who were rulers, i.e., for persons for whom succession info is added. What do you think about that?) ~ Lhynard (talk) 01:00, December 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * The family block looks fine, but that purple is going to have to be a much paler shade :P &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:51, December 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Somewhat related: It would be nice to have a way of displaying family trees, I think, such as, e.g., for the noble houses of Waterdeep. I made one for House Hawkwinter here; however, the template requires ~100 sub-templates! Have family tree ideas ever been discussed? ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:28, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think reproducing a family tree would be a copyright violation, at least it feels that way to me. There is no way to paraphrase a family tree diagram. It would be a direct copy of information from the source with minor formatting changes. And I also do not want to maintain 100 sub-templates :p &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 23:20, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I did not see this reply earlier; I think I un-followed it by accident. ~ Lhynard (talk) 07:24, November 27, 2014 (UTC)