Category talk:Southern magic spells

Wording
This category sounds strange... if you are going for regions of magic... maybe "South Faerûn spells", which can be linked to the specific locations... this make me think of Kentucky spells... hehe :) - Darkwynters (talk) 22:40, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Would spells for southern countries count to this? Would that also count divine magic? What book is this from? Hmmm a blend of 11 gems and spell components. Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated 22:59, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's more of a flavour thing – old sources speak of the strange "Southern" magic, like the Eastern magic of Kara-Tur. I believe it's discussed in Old Empires and The Shining South (1993), becoming a feat in Races of Faerûn. — BadCatMan (talk) 23:43, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll add the Southern magic page tomorrow, but it's a magic written in a unique magical language only know in Halruaa and maybe other areas of the Shining South. Even a mage casting read magic couldn't understand a spell written in the southern magic language. Artemaz (talk) 02:55, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm I have a Halruaan in my campaign, so far they have found no magic scrolls, should I ask her to make a Int check for understanding northern magic? (There in Baldurs gate) This is in 5e. Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  06:38, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nah, any Halruaan spellcaster can easily learn magic from other areas of Faerûn.Artemaz (talk) 14:09, September 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok thank you User:Artemaz, hmm then I'll just add it as flavor. Hihih like in the Forgotten realms comic where Omen talks to Elminster "Not to argue with your wisdom Elminster but Sothern magic is not without its own power ... ... *Polymorph any object*"   Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  21:52, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the info, BadCat :) - Darkwynters (talk) 12:51, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Halruaa vs. Old Empires
I think there may be a misunderstanding of The Shining South (1993) p. 14 involved in the handling of this category: Old Empires introduced Thoth mage-script as a new and secret form of magical language used in Mulhorand, Unther, and partly Chessenta. The sourcebook then had new spells which could thus only be red by those versed in that language. Those spells in my opinion belong into this category. The Shining South, published a little later, introduced a Halruaan wizard genius which had deciphered that secret, so that a select few in Halruaa could translate the heretofore unaccessable spells from the Old Empires. The Shining South also introduced new spells from the famed Halruaan mages, but those to my understanding did not use Thoth mage-script and so I think should not be included here. This distinction is also made by the Wizard's Spell Compendiums, which specifically designated the spells from the Old Empires sourcebook (and only those). Please let me know your opinions about this, and sorry for being lengthy. Daranios (talk) 19:22, November 30, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Daranios, sorry to disappoint but my category additions made to Kyristan's malevolent tentacles, Darsson's fiery furnace, etc were based on the list here as part of the Missing Magic project. I don't consider myself an authority on the subject, nor do I have the Old Empires (sourcebook). It seems like a valid point you raise. I'd say take charge with the changes if there are no other objections; Regis87 is well-versed on much of the 2e source material, maybe they can offer a valid perspective. Good luck! Ruf (talk) 17:45, January 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree with Daranios that Southern Magic spells should only be the ones written in Thoth mage-script (or translated from it by the Halruaan genius) and it should be noted on those pages. We can create a notice template that can be added to each page so it always states why a spell is "Southern" and automatically adds the Category:Southern magic spells. This can be formatted like an AQ-time note or like a Canon notice, whichever you prefer. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:37, January 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * I prefer the AQ-time-like method. ~ Lhynard (talk) 02:37, January 8, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me, and thanks for all the input! I have made a draft for a Template:Southernmagic, and tested it here. I am sure it can be improved, and I messed up somewhere so that it cannot be put into the middle of a paragraph. Please feel free to improve. Daranios (talk) 18:28, January 9, 2019 (UTC)


 * I tweaked it a little bit. It works in-line now. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 20:15, January 9, 2019 (UTC)


 * I misread. Southern magic is Thoth mage-script only. My bad. When I was reading the Shining South 2E book, I made the erroneous impression that Halruaan spells counted. --Regis87 (talk) 18:40, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Is there a need for Category:Halruaan spells? Are they a unique subset of spells? Are they all translated from the Thoth mage script? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:44, January 11, 2019 (UTC)


 * The spells presented in the The Shining South were developed in Halruaa, and were not translated from Toth mage script. If one was not raised in the southern magic tradition, Halruaa however would be the one place where one might get a spell from the Old Empires, as one guy there had deciphered Thoth mage script. So I think Halruaa was not distinguished from the rest of Faerûn in the way the Old Empires were.


 * In my opinion we don't need a specific category for Halruaan spells, except if we want to start a new distinction for spells "by region". Wizard's Spell Compendium Volume Four features just such a distinction (p. 1130 and onwards) with Halruaa as an example. Daranios (talk) 18:32, January 13, 2019 (UTC)