Talk:Topaz dragon

Gaulauntyr
The page lists Gaulauntyr as a topaz dragon, but clicking the link redirects to Tyrangal, who is a copper dragon, whose page says she went by Gaulauntyr but there's a "Citation Needed" tag on that bit of information. Can someone explain the actual situation here, because the information currently present on the wiki doesn't add up. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:09, January 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * Dragons of Faerûn pg.150 lists Gaulauntyr "Glorytongue" as a "female mature adult topaz (copper)" dragon. No information about Tyrangal there. I'm pretty sure information connecting the two would be found in The Edge of Chaos. P.S. Good to see you on Dark T! Ruf (talk) 21:17, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * "Topaz (copper)"? What does that even mean? Topaz and copper dragons are different things. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:24, January 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure to be honest! That's just the listing they have. The information from DoF is an index so it was most likely taken from one or multiple 2e sources. Ruf (talk) 00:55, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
 * Let's take a look at all the sources that mention Gaulauntyr and/or Tyrangal:


 * 1997: Dragon #240 – Gaulauntyr is described as a topaz dragon in a "Wyrms of the North" article.
 * 2001: 3rd edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting – Gaulauntyr is described as a copper dragon on page 220. All other details agree with the Dragon article.
 * 2006: Dragons of Faerûn – Gaulauntyr is described as topaz (copper), presumably to avoid arbitrating the conflict.
 * 2009: The Edge of Chaos – A copper dragon named Tyrangal is a central character in the novel, and claims to have gone by "Gaulauntyr" in the past.
 * I don't know why the FRCS changed her to a copper dragon&mdash;maybe gem dragons were out of favor when 3e was released? At any rate, we now have a situation where the most recent source thoroughly refers to her as a copper dragon. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 10:05, January 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * Damn good detective work! We can make notes about the discrepancies and go from there.Ruf (talk) 17:59, January 15, 2019 (UTC)

As a possible (speculative) explanation: While the Dragon article states that Gaulauntyr is a topaz dragon, it also says that she "prefers a life of stealth" and "almost always cloaks herself in illusory disguises, and hides in forest glades, abandoned warehouses or ruins, or just under cover of darkness whenever possible". So maybe Gaulauntyr was reported the wrong species back then due to all these deceptions? Daranios (talk) 18:29, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
 * Suggesting that Gaunlauntyr is simply a copper dragon disguised as a topaz dragon? That makes sense. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:11, January 15, 2019 (UTC)