Forgotten Realms Wiki:Featured article nominations

This thread is for nominating, discussing and voting on featured articles to go on the Featured article template. An article that reaches at least 3 votes in favour, including one administrator vote, will be promoted to featured article status.

Criteria
A feature article should meet the following criteria:
 * Complete: The article should give everything about the subject. There should be a complete account from the standard sources, and common and important information should appear. It doesn't have to be utterly exhaustive, with every tidbit from every obscure source, but ideally there should be some little tidbits of lore to spice it up and surprise the expert FR fan.
 * Correct: We should be able to confirm that every fact presented is true and accurate by examining the sources. That goes hand-in-hand with...
 * Referenced: The article should be fully referenced.
 * Formatted: The article should be fully formatted in wiki article style, sectioned out, and infoboxed, with a past-tense, in-universe POV, and good English text.
 * Important: The article should be on a reasonably well-known topic that ties into the larger setting, comes from multiple sources, or is just famous to readers.
 * Big: A medium-to-long article demonstrates completeness, and short ones are too easy to make look good.
 * Illustrated: Pictures and quotes really spice up the article, breaking up walls of text, and make it look good. It also stands out on the main page.
 * Demonstrative: The article should demonstrate all appropriate practices, policies, templates, and wiki code to budding editors. It should also demonstrate our usefulness to players and DMs (for example, presenting a fully developed community to play in or NPC to deal with). It could also demonstrate how to balance lore from different editions and media.

Nomination Form
Please nominate an article in the following format: ===Article Name=== ;Nominated by: ;Disclaimer: ;Vote: ;For: ;Against: ;Pros: * ;Cons: * ;Requests * ;Verdict:
 * Article Name
 * The name of the nominated article. This should be a direct link to the article.


 * Nominated by
 * The editor who originally nominated the article for feature status.


 * Disclaimer
 * Please note if you wrote the article yourself or otherwise had a strong hand in it.


 * Vote
 * The current score. Please add 1 if you are for it, subtract 1 if you are against it.


 * For
 * List your name here if in favor.


 * Against
 * List your name if in not in favor.


 * Pros
 * Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should be featured.


 * Cons
 * Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should not be featured.


 * Requests
 * List anything you feel should be done to the article that would make improve and/or make it worthy of featured status.


 * Verdict
 * The final result of the vote: 'approved' to be a featured article; 'pending' or blank if it's still under discussion; or 'refused' if it's currently irredeemable without major reworking. The verdict will be decided by an administrator after thorough checking.

Voting Process
For Nominated, For, and Against, just list your user name: User:__. For Pros, Cons, and Requests, give a reason following by a short signature (three tildes ).

You may change your vote if you are satisfied by changes to an article, or find some problem with it. Please relocate your name to the correct category, update the current vote tally, and note the change somewhere.

Extensive discussion of requested work on an article should be taken to that article's Talk page.

Nine Hells

 * Vote
 * 3


 * For
 * Moviesign, Darkwynters, SilverTiger


 * Against
 * Disclaimer
 * I rewrote much of this article. – Moviesign
 * I rewrote much of this article. – Moviesign


 * Pros
 * big article, copious references, good infobox, demonstrates use of the "notes" template, attempts to cover all versions of the plane over three cosmology models. – Moviesign
 * excellent organization, expertly sourced, and interesting subject matter - Darkwynters (talk) 18:38, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well formatted and referenced article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:19, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Cons
 * topic is not universally appealing, could be improved with more material from newer sources, only the one image. – Moviesign
 * I added two more images to help break up the wall of text. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 13:59, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * the article does lack specific references to the Realms, though it does include Forgotten Realms sourcebooks - Darkwynters (talk) 18:38, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Missing essential associated articles (two of the Hells are missing). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:19, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Lacking: No appearances, no quotes etc. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:19, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Requests

Zhentil Keep

 * Vote
 * -2


 * For
 * Moviesign


 * Against
 * hash, Darkwynters, Possessed Priest


 * Disclaimer
 * Pros
 * Big article, well referenced, popular topic, extra images. – Moviesign
 * Big & reasonably comprehensive – hash
 * Cons
 * Quite a few red links. – Moviesign (Withdrawn)
 * The timeline in Ruins of Zhentil Keep upon which a lot of the article is based was deliberately written with a pro-zhentarim bias. Red links. – hash
 * Missing sources; needs clean up and organization - Darkwynters
 * Notable Locations has almost no information. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:14, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Most sentences/paragraphs missing references. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:14, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Only one image and no quotes. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:14, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * General page is untidy in most places, isn't up to the standard of a Good article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:14, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Cross-reference with other sources so the article is truthful. – hash
 * Cross-reference with other sources so the article is truthful. – hash

Mithral Hall

 * Vote
 * 0


 * For
 * Moviesign


 * Against
 * Darkwynters


 * Disclaimer
 * Pros
 * Big article, well referenced, well-known topic, gallery – Moviesign
 * Cons
 * Some subsections fall below the three-sentence rule/guideline. – Moviesign
 * Organization; entire sections need citations; needs more clarity in wording - Darkwynters
 * Requests
 * Requests

Kalach-Cha

 * Vote
 * -1


 * For
 * BadCatMan


 * Against
 * Darkwynters, hash


 * Disclaimer
 * Pros
 * Huge (biggest real article on the wiki), complete, popular topic — BadCatMan
 * Popular — hash
 * Cons
 * No pictures, huge wall of text. B canon, but that's not a real drawback. The main problem is the language: it's very vague, severely overuses "would" statements, uses awkward his/her and he/she genders, and generally suffers for trying to accommodate the branching storylines of the game and player customisation of the character. — BadCatMan
 * Too comprehensive - lots of information that doesn't need to be there; Lots of red links; unattractive. — hash
 * Organization; needs to be reworded; no sources for specific game references - Darkwynters
 * Requests
 * This needs an edit to improve the language (hey, that's something I can do). Pictures can be included by taking scenes from the game and other character (essentially, the article is as much a synopsis of the game as it is a biography of the character). — BadCatMan
 * Feels like I am playing a game, not reading about a person and his history - Darkwynters
 * Feels like I am playing a game, not reading about a person and his history - Darkwynters

Marsember

 * Nominated by
 * Moviesign


 * Disclaimer
 * I just discovered it was a Featured Article in the past. I haven't looked at it yet.


 * Vote
 * 1


 * For
 * Jandor, Regis87


 * Against
 * Possessed Priest


 * Pros
 * At first glance, it doesn't seem that bad. — Jandor (talk) 16:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cons
 * Not fleshed out enough to be a Featured Article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:03, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Mainly only relies on two sources, VGtC and the novel. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:03, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Refs missing at end of paragraphs (and other places), inconsistent formatting in locations. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:03, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Needs general tidying. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:03, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Appendix and all subsections missing. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:03, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Being a quite popular area of FR (Cormyr, although I'm not that fond of this area yet), we should also look it more thoroughly for possible easy refreshes-updates-enrichment. — Jandor (talk) 16:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Verdict
 * Being a quite popular area of FR (Cormyr, although I'm not that fond of this area yet), we should also look it more thoroughly for possible easy refreshes-updates-enrichment. — Jandor (talk) 16:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Verdict
 * Verdict

Mystra

 * Nominated by
 * Moviesign


 * Disclaimer
 * I rewrote most of this article. – Moviesign


 * Vote
 * 1


 * For
 * Regis87


 * Against
 * Pros
 * A fairly well-rounded article that hopefully sheds some light on the confusion of the many Mystras. – Moviesign
 * Quite a few nice illustrations – Moviesign
 * Well written and fleshed out, a very important goddess. — BadCatMan (talk)
 * Cons
 * Subject is from pre-Time of Troubles and is therefore 2nd-edition with limited sources, not very modern, and might have limited appeal. – Moviesign
 * Mystryl/Mystra is important to the setting in all her incarnations, and this Mystra's actions continue to have importance (making the Chosen, raising gods, etc.) — BadCatMan (talk)
 * I have laid the foundation, but this article needs fleshing out with information from the novels before it's feature-worthy. – Moviesign
 * Requests
 * Much of the history is based on adventure sourcebooks and not the novels. Please discuss at Talk:Mystra, especially whether this is a con or not. I honestly don't know. – Moviesign
 * Yeah, there's a lot more history and personality to her in the novels. I touched on this at the Talk page. — BadCatMan (talk)
 * Someone please add info and flavor from the novels. – Moviesign
 * Verdict
 * Yeah, there's a lot more history and personality to her in the novels. I touched on this at the Talk page. — BadCatMan (talk)
 * Someone please add info and flavor from the novels. – Moviesign
 * Verdict

Khôltar

 * Nominated by
 * Moviesign


 * Disclaimer
 * I wrote this. &mdash;Moviesign


 * Vote
 * 2


 * For
 * Regis87, Possessed Priest


 * Against
 * Pros
 * Another unusual town with quite a bit of detail. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Quotes and a glossary to break up the wall of text. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * So much detail! Daranios (talk) 17:28, May 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Well referenced, highly detailed in all aspects. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:43, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Cons
 * The town doesn't exist anymore, so not exactly a current topic. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Despite the good effect of the quote boxes: No images aside from maps. I guess there are none? Daranios (talk) 17:28, May 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * There are only two primary sources that reference this town, and, sadly, neither of them have any images. Thankfully, Ed gave a good deal of "atmosphere" in his articles. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 21:51, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Verdict
 * There are only two primary sources that reference this town, and, sadly, neither of them have any images. Thankfully, Ed gave a good deal of "atmosphere" in his articles. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 21:51, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Verdict
 * Verdict

Vhaeraun‎

 * Nominated by
 * Regis87


 * Disclaimer
 * Vote
 * 3
 * 3


 * For
 * Moviesign, Possessed Priest, Sirwhiteout


 * Against


 * Pros
 * A massive, detail-heavy article. Lots of hard work put into it by various users. &mdash;Regis87 (talk)
 * Agreed. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * A popular topic among fans, I believe. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Already good article quality. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Incredibly well documented, over 200 sources. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Good range of images, symbols and quotes. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * All important links have associated pages (small amount of red links). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Cons
 * The infobox image is low resolution. &mdash;Regis87 (talk)
 * Generally, low-resolution files are required, because of copyright, but in this case, it is indeed a poor-quality scan, so, yes, the image should be replaced. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Changed the picture with a not enlarged one to lower resolution. May I ask whether it is alright? Saya222 (talk) 19:33, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea looks much better! --Regis87 (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea looks much better! --Regis87 (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Infobox uses a confusing mix of refs in the headings and in the text. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I hope, that it is solved. May I ask whether it is still confusing?19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, much better; thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * ToC is too long.
 * This can be fixed by using  for 4-level headers instead of  . ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Done.19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Quote boxes aren't being used properly.
 * They are not meant for excerpts from novels in an out-of-universe fashion; they should be for quotes in an in-universe fashion. The source field should not be listing a book; it should be giving a speaker, followed by a typical reference footnote. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I hope, it's solved now. I kept it to quotes where characters are actually speaking or thinking. May I ask whether that is alright?19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * There are still a few issues with them, which I can fix myself. I'll try to do that a bit later. Thanks for putting in the work so far! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Thank you very much for looking over.
 * Saya222 (talk) 04:50, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed them up. The points to keep in mind are:
 * They should only be from a single speaker&mdash;no conversations.
 * They should not have quotes; those are added automatically.
 * They should be "in-universe".
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation.19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Some of the punctuation/style is not correct/standard for an article here, particularly in the headings.
 * For example, all the hyphens should be colons or en-dashes or em-dashes. It would be better to remove them altogether. Instead of a heading of "Relationships - Allies", just have "Allies". Some of the headings are not needed at all, such as the subheadings for all the different ability types. Just keep them in separate paragraphs. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I found out, that "wasn't" and "weren't" were used and corrected it. But that was certainly the most minor of problems. May I ask what other style-policies were offended? I guess a grammar problem is meant with punctuation problems. I will try to figure and solve them.19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I was actually OK with the contractions, although they aren't often used in formal writing, that trend in English seems to be going away. It actually was nothing to do with grammar; I meant punctuation/style. These are also things that I can clean up on my own. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Thank you very much.
 * Saya222 (talk) 04:50, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I performed a thorough copy-edit. There were actually a lot more grammatical issues than I had noticed at first, but no worries! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for correcting them.19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * In the notes, avoid links such as "here" and "this question". A webpage should always be explicit in link text. Provide the name of the location of the link and provide the text of the actual question asked. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Tsammarco was so kind to do it.
 * Saya222 (talk) 19:33, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Much of information is repeated in multiple sections. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Too much detail for my taste in some places&mdash;for example, letting us know an assortment of his key spells would suffice; there is no need to go through so many spells explaining what he can do with them, since that information is easily found elsewhere and is the same for any one else. Nevertheless, I am no longer against this becoming a featured article&mdash;in fact, I just awarded it GA status&mdash;but it is too wordy and overly detailed for me to consider it one of the wiki's very best in its current state. My preference&mdash;but I am only one person!&mdash;is that our very best articles be both complete and concise. That being said, it has clearly received a lot of great work from two editors. Thank you and good work! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. So it means, the next tasks would be to:
 * cut the stuff that could be read on the linked pages like the passage "cast disguise self, nondetection, invisibility, and mislead, ... to become invisible while leaving a decoy" despite having the spell appear on the head of the Ability-section?
 * adding general information like an explanation for Remote Sense owned by all deities on a page and cut it from the Vhaeraun page, adding a passage like see also deity#Abilities#Remote Sense ?
 * If I'm correct I could try it out, though it would take some time.
 * Saya222 (talk) 19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Minor change needed: Some titles missing references. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Requests
 * Add any 1e information, if it exists, especially to the infobox. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * There is no mention of Vhaeraun in Deities & Demigods 1st edition, Manual of the Planes 1st edition, or Unearthed Arcana 1st edition. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 23:14, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert Drow pantheon to our new format. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I changed it to the format of the elven and gnome pantheon. May I ask whether it was the right one?Saya222 (talk) 18:33, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Verdict

Dark Seldarine

 * Nominated by
 * Regis87


 * Disclaimer
 * Vote
 * 1
 * 1


 * For
 * Regis87, SilverTiger


 * Against
 * Possessed Priest


 * Pros:
 * Very thorough, fully referenced, good infobox, uses notes, and is organized.
 * A model for other pantheon articles; this particular pantheon has had its fingers in many events over the centuries.
 * Cons:
 * Could use some more inline images.
 * Ditto. The article is a wall of text, which scares many readers away.
 * ToC is too long. The best articles should avoid using 4 level headings. Instead of ====, we should be using a semicolon to bold the sub-sub-sub-headings.
 * We should avoid headings with links and instead use Main. Similarly, I suspect that some of the content could be moved to sub-articles to make the current article less overwhelming in length.
 * Article is essentially a wall of text, no images, border boxes, or even quotes (for which there are several) to split up the article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Keptolo should be fleshed out or removed (major red link and connections red link). Realms or not? A drow deity, as is Vulkoor, but no strict Realms relation. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Appendix lacking: no appearances, gallery, external links. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * I just upgraded the article to GA status. However, I don't think it is quite up to par to be a Featured Article, though my things against it are minor and fixable. (Also, I am really picky about what makes a Feature Article, so please do not take it personally!) ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:08, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there any more information about Zinzerena's return? Also, there is a really weird parethesed note in the second paragraph of the Second Sundering section.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:19, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
 * Verdict

Neverwinter (game)

 * Nominated by:Regis87 (talk)
 * Disclaimer:
 * Vote: –2
 * For: Regis87
 * Against: Possessed Priest, Lhynard,SilverTiger
 * Pros:
 * Full Index
 * Very detailed write-up on the various plotlines in the game
 * Detailed write-ups about the modules
 * Updated frequently as new material is released
 * Lots of images breaking up the walls of text
 * Cons:
 * Is a video game, so not 100% official canon
 * Even if true (which it isn't, unless it contradicts something higher in the hierarchy), that is not part of the criteria to discriminate a featured article from a non-featured one. ~ Possessed Priest
 * The index is nowhere near full or complete ~ Possessed Priest
 * Despite being a long article, it is not at all completely covered (this game has a wiki with more pages than us!) ~ Possessed Priest
 * Inconsistent sections. Some modules have date tags (such as Module 1), others do not (such as Module 7): i.e., Released November 2015 vs no tag ~ Possessed Priest
 * Wall of text and a lot of red links in the index. It might be possible/advisable to link some things (such as characters) as redirects to the game's own wiki.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:19, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
 * The article is way too large. The modules should be their own articles. ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:20, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
 * Paragraphs are not cited properly. ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:20, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
 * The article cannot decide whether it is written in-universe or out-of-universe. ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:20, April 7, 2020 (UTC)


 * Requests


 * Verdict:

Approved Nominees

 * List of approved nominees