Talk:Sword Coast North

We need to mak the distinction that there's in effect 2 different Sword Coast areas, there's the bit north of Waterdeep (Sword Coast North), and the bit strething from the other side of waterdeep and down towards amn. So we likely need to sort out which links should go to which page Zerak-Tul 08:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

PC games vs Canon
We need to point out that much of the lore on the page (principally the stuff on Illefarn) is based on the Neverwinter Nights PC games and that they diverge significantly from canon, especially regarding that realm's history. BlackAce 16:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Except, of course, that the games are canon (see Phil Athans and WOTC's most recent statement on the subject).Niirfa-sa 02:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible Merging
See Talk:Sword Coast. Niirfa-sa 02:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Restructure
As part of the "Cleanup of the North" project I have going, I would like to add and subtract some locations from this article and its categories. This is not comprehensive, just the glaring changes I feel should be made.


 * Adding:
 * Goldenfields


 * Removing:
 * Delimbiyr Vale: Technically a part of the Savage Frontier.
 * Dessarin Valley: Not at all near the coast.

While its important to mention Icewind Dale and the Sea of Moving Ice, I don't know if they should be categorized under the Sword Coast North as they are a part of the Frozenfar. I think for clarity, the larger regions should be seperated but would like to hear other opinions.

Thank you for listening! Ruf (talk) 17:24, February 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you please give reasons behind these proposed changes?


 * Additions and Removals: Goldenfields is part of the Sword Coast North, I agree. It is located within the Dessarin Valley, but you say the valley is not at all near the coast? Surely some of it must be. The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition, page 176 says: The Lords' Alliance, a loose league of like-minded rulers led by Waterdeep, allies the good cities and small settlements of the Dessarin valley in this region (i.e., the Sword Coast North). I agree with your classification of Delimbiyr Vale, and it matches what is said in source material.


 * Frozenfar talk: As discussed and stated in sourcebooks, places in the Frozenfar can also be part of the Sword Coast North (such as Mirabar). Finally, the Sword Coast North is a region, not a term for settlements on the coast. As such, both Icewind Dale and the Sea of Moving Ice are certainly part of the Sword Coast North, and this is explicitly stated in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition, page 176. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 17:47, February 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * Ehh you're right. Ruf (talk) 18:10, February 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * Looking at it again, I don't think Goldenfields and the Dessarin Valley are part of the Sword Coast North. I understand Sword Coast North is a region, and you are completely right about the Frozenfar and Icewind Dale. Page 81 of SKT says the Long Road "hugs the west border of the valley"; page 176 states "the Long Road...defines the eastern extent of the Sword Coast North."


 * Sorry for not having the source earlier. I couldn't remember where I read that before and was too focused on 5e material.Ruf (talk) 14:45, February 25, 2020 (UTC)


 * The 3e campaign guide states that the Long Road defines the "eastern extent" of the Sword Coast North, but it also places the Goldenfields in the Sword Coast North in the list of important sites. This is further confirmed on page 133 of the same sourcebook, where it states "Goldenfields in the Sword Coast North", which seems pretty clear. It is most likely included in the region because of the way the Long Road seems to split off south and sharply turn towards Waterdeep (so it is included in the "eastern extent", although the road turns off). This is the same case for Ardeep Forest. They are both included as part of the Sword Coast North, as at least part of them are north of Waterdeep and neighbor the Long Road or border the Dessarin. Both places are also quite important to the Sword Coast North, such as the Goldenfields acting as a granary for Waterdeep. Settlements further to the east or south, such as Yartar or Daggerford, would not be included, which seems to match the sources I'm looking at.


 * Excellent start on the list of places on this page btw. I was even happily surprised to see that Torzac was included! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:55, February 25, 2020 (UTC)