Template talk:Person

Age
I don't really think it's great to have an 'age' on this template because that all depends on the current year, which would depend on how the Forgotten Realms setting is being used. Maybe this could be "Age as of (year)" or "Date of birth" (where known)? Does anyone else have an opinion? Fw190a8 05:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree and have expressed similiar viewpoints in the community portal earlier Zerak-Tul 22:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I also agree, but it is easy enough for editors to add "in n DR". ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

New VVersion
I have attempted to alter this template slightly so it looks like the other templates, eg: Template:Forgotten Realms Deity (used on Drizzt) and Template:Forgotten Realms Country (used on Waterdeep). Fw190a8 15:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Forcing category on template
Regarding Ebakunin's recent change to put any article using this template into the Characters category, I am not too sure on this, because there might be a more suitable subcategory for the article (such as Elves or Halflings). Any thoughts? Fw190a8 11:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Putting a category in a template (other than some of the standard maintenance categories like "Stub") is generally a bad idea. If we expand or modify the category structure some day, it will be hard to recategorize the articles. Also, note that if a category in a template is changed, the articles stay in the previous category until edited, which can be a pain in the... neck sometimes. Lets just separate categories from templates. --TOR 13:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Person > Character
I prefered Character over Person, as Person doesn't really fit certain demi-human beings, good examples would be shadovar like Hadrhune or other less-than-human people.. Zerak talk 18:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. The discussion was on the Category talk:Characters page and nobody said anything for a good long while after I suggested the idea. I think that for the most part, humans, elves, dwarves and other humanoids, goblinoids such as goblins, hobgoblins, and other species like kobolds can be seen as "people". I suppose it runs into trouble where dragons are concerned, and certain other races, but my rationale was that there are far more beings that can be considered "people" than cannot, and also that as long as they are referred to as "characters", it serves to break the reader's suspension of disbelief. I figured that most of the wiki is written "in character" from the point of view of an inhabitant of the Forgotten Realms. I think we can still change it back to "characters" if the majority of people would prefer it! Fw190a8 21:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel that anyone (roughly speaking) with sentience and intelligence is a person. Why not? What else is the criterion? Ville V. Kokko 14:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Changes to parameters
I admit this template is now more "complete" or "precise" in some sense, but boy did it just get more difficult to use, unless all data happens to be neat numbers. I don't suppose I'd quite like it reverted back, but I'm expressing my reservations nevertheless. For future consideration or in case it promotes further discussion or whatever. Ville V. Kokko 14:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Colour change
Personally, I feel that the colour change from white on black to black on pale orange doesn't improve the template, I'm afraid. My personal preference is with the old version, white on black. Fw190a8 15:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Patron deity
Since the Time of Troubles, folk became very religious and I thought that It should be mentioned in the person template who characters other than divine casters worship.

Dob/Death parameters
There seems to be a problem with the dob and death parameters. The template documentation says NOT to include DR or another type of reckoning, but if you don't, they're not included when the template turns them into links. However, if you do put DR in, and you use both parameters, it tries to calculate the age. Seeing as how it can't separate the number from rest of the parameter, it shoots out an error. I don't want to alter the template myself, not knowing how many pages it will break. Cronje 19:53, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery Functionaliy
I've added functionality so that, if the image parameter is set and Category:Images of XXX page exists (where XXX is the name parameter), it will add a link right to the category. A good example of this working is on the Drizzt Do'Urden page. Please let me know if it breaks anything or looks odd on certain articles, though I don't expect it will. Cronje (talk &sdot; contribs) 11:38, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

35 → 3.5
Can the display be changed to read as "3.5" instead of "35"? For example, see the tab that says "35" in the infobox for Danilo_Thann. ➳ Quin 00:12, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, it can be changed. I did it that way because all the other tabs are 2 characters wide and 3.5 is three characters wide, breaking the symmetry of the tabs and subtly giving 3.5 a more important/prominent appearance. I like symmetry, but I'll be happy to change it if the majority of folks want "3.5". So, vote? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 01:10, May 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * My vote would actually be to remove 3.5 altogether. 3.5 is supposed to be an update/correction to 3e, so if there are stats in both, 3.5 trumps 3e. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Potential Bug
If I created an infobox with a class but not an alignment, alignment still shows up blank.

Is this a bug or a feature? ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:40, November 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * It was a missing brace. Bug squished. Thanks! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 17:03, November 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * You're welcome and thank you. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:28, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Field Title Widths
The headings Alternate spelling(s) and Known language(s) no longer seem to fit. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:56, February 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Should be better now. You may have to purge the page and/or clear your cache to see the change. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:44, February 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It's better, but half of the right parenthesis of Alternate spelling(s) is still cut off, at least for me. (Known language(s) is fixed.) An example page is Iyraclea. ~ Lhynard (talk) 01:54, February 28, 2016 (UTC)


 * That pages looks fine to me, both at home and at work. Try clearing your cache again and let me know if it is still a problem. Unfortunately, I can't test all browsers. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:32, February 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Must be a browser difference then. I'm using Firefox on a PC machine here. I can check a Linux machine later, if you'd like. It's only half of the character not showing. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:48, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Visual Editor Bug
I'm rather new to templates, but is there a reason why the dob, start of reign, and end of reign fields display incorrectly in the visual editor? Is there a way to fix this? - Soar (talk 21:38, February 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Most of us never use the visual editor at all. I tried opening that template in my sandbox, and I think I see what you mean. My guess is because each of those fields get combined together with others in somewhat complex ways when actually displayed in the infobox, and the people who wrote the Visual Editor code didn't make it smart enough to handle that. Moviesign might know if it's fixable, but honestly, we all strongly suggest simply using the text editor. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:58, February 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Visual Editor fails miserably on some of our more complex templates. If you want to make changes to an infobox, I strongly suggest using the Source Editor. If you still want to try the VE, the dob field in the VE is titled Died (dob) and the death field is titled Died (death) (wonderfully intuitive, no?). The start of reign field is labeled End of Reign (start of reign) and end of reign is labeled Start of Reign (end of reign). Go figure. We'll be happy to help you make the transition to the SE if you wish (pretty please?). And if you're trying to do this on a mobile device, may Deneir guide your hand. :-D &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:18, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

True Name
I really hate how the  field is formatted. It is only used by a very, very small number of pages, yet it takes up a huge display space under the character's name as if it is some super important thing. I would like to see it converted to the same as the  or   field.

Also, the field is misused in probably the majority of cases, as people use it for "given name" or "original name" instead of for the mystic true name for which it was intended. Can someone better at DPL than me provide me with a list of every time the field is used (and not empty)? Then, I can go correct those pages.

~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * Here is all I could find:




 * &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:38, June 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much! (I was missing the \w.)


 * I've removed all the incorrect uses. All that's left now are the Seven Sisters, an enslaved yugoloth, and two characters from Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:37, June 8, 2018 (UTC)

Inhabitants category
In my opinion the person template should automatically add Category:Inhabitants. Is there a reason against that? If there was I may have overstepped myself in adding that category to Template:Deity. Thanks! Daranios (talk) 15:48, February 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've been meaning to do it for a while. I also want to autocat alignment and gender and such. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:25, February 18, 2019 (UTC)

Sandbox implementation
I have implemented GenderInline in the templates sandbox and I think its ready for deployment. - Abedecain - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 10:56, August 22, 2019 (UTC) I have also now implemented DateInline in the same sandbox. This cleans up the code, unified how dates are handled (aged added for death, distryoed and turned) and delinks if needed. - Abedecain - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 12:06, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Just implemented the AlignmentInline in the sandbox. This categorises alignment by what is given, i.e. Chaotic Evil but then also categories the chaotic component and evil component. - Abedecain - Talk  and maybe you'll get cake! 13:00, August 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * See Forum:Sex vs. Gender for the current discussion about sex/gender on this wiki. Lhynard is currently working on a migration plan and may or may not wish to use GenderInline. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 13:11, August 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for the delay in responding on my own talk page. I was traveling, and I needed time to look at what you had. Your message did motivate me to start the forum entry to which Movie linked you.


 * I think that the idea of autocategorizing gender (and sex) is a good one.


 * However, you have reinvented the wheel and duplicated code that we already have on the wiki for doing this sort of thing. I encourage you to look at out already-available list of inline templates on this wiki: Category:Inline templates. Your Delink functionality is already handled by templates written by Moviesign, and your GenderInline fails to handle capitalization issues. It also over-complicates the  statement; you can have multiple inputs switch to the same output to avoid so much duplicated text. Your default behavior also does not make sense to me.


 * The nomenclature is also not consistent. "GenderInline" is vague as to what it does. We have been using "AuthorCats", "DietCats", "ChallengeCats", etc., since the point is to generate cats. Any new template should be modeled after those, so we would want a "GenderCats" and a "SexCats".


 * This is not to say that our current templates could not be improved, but when joining a new long-term project, it is important to work within the system already in place.


 * As Movie said, the reason that GenderCats did not already exist was that we knew there was a large issue with the gender/sex distinction that we needed to deal with first. We cannot autocategorize until we finish fixing the issue and make the distinction, which requires bot work and a period to make manual adjustments before we roll over a new autocat. system.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:36, August 22, 2019 (UTC)