User talk:BadCatMan/2022

Deletions, oh my
Hey BadCatMan, I've ran a bot to clean up some of the broken redirects. This may result in some red links, but I think it will help to distinguish actual missing content, since they suggested the target pages exist. My apologies if it broke something! Тагазиэль 12:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. We can recreate any we need later on. BadCatMan (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Hell Hound's Muzzle
Hello, can you tell me why the article Hell Hound's Muzzle was deleted? Was there an issue with the article's content or appropriateness for the wiki? --Satnak (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Sorry, I meant to delete a redirect to the article left behind after I moved it (to remove a redundant 'The' from the title). Thanks for pointing it out! BadCatMan (talk) 03:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Cool, no problem. --Satnak (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Proofreading
Hi! I just wanted to say thank you for all the proofreading you've done on my recent articles, I really appreciate that. :) I you have a moment, I'd love if you could look at Church of Milil &mdash; it's now in a state that I'm happy with, and given the sheer size I'm pretty sure it could use some tidying from a second pair of eyes. &mdash; WanderingKobold (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * No worries, I'm happy to help and read others' work. :) Okay, I shall try to go over Church of Milil when I get a chance, though it will have to be when work settles down a bit. I'm also an editor in my day job, so another big proofread can be wearing. BadCatMan (talk) 11:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Fan art
Hello there! I'm Malte and I've contributed to some articles about creatures and __cpLocations from the Dungeons & Dragons Essentials Kit, most recently from Storm Lord's Wrath. Unfortunately, this adventure has very little artwork. So I looked around a bit and came across Jacob Johnston's blog where he has created fan art for all NPCs from the adventure, among other things. He made his artworks publicly available under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License and I thought this fan art might benefit some articles in this Wiki. I used his fan art of Martisha Vinetalker when creating her article but you removed that artwork. So I was wondering: Is this particular artwork problematic or is fan art generally forbidden on this Wiki? I'm just wondering whether there are some guideluines concerning fan art that I'm not aware of, or whether I shouldn't use fan art in general. Thanks in advance for your answer! Malte Martin (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. The use of fan art on the wiki is controversial – while some editors are for it, others (like me) are against it. Being a wiki of canon and licensed materials, using unofficial and fan-made materials seems antithetical to that and can give the wrong impression. Regardless, we are in agreement on a few points and have a fan art policy. First, the artist's permission is required. While Jacob Johnston might be okay with players using his work in their games, hosting it on the wiki and displaying it to the world might be another matter. It's just to be polite and respectful, really. Second, we've agreed that fan art should not be displayed in the main article or infobox of a page, to prevent it from being mistaken for official art. Instead, it should be displayed in a gallery into the Appendix, at the bottom of the page. I hope these points help. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that clears things up for me. I can contact Jacob Johnston and ask him if he would be ok with some of his artwork being featured in this Wiki. As far as I can tell, his artwork stays true to the official descriptions in the adventures with great attention to detail. Only when there is no detailed description in the adventures does he use more artistic freedom. That's why I thought some of his fan art would be appropriate here, while following the fan art policy and not displaying it in the infobox like I did before. Would that be ok for you if Jacob Johnston agrees as well? Malte Martin (talk) 11:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * As I said, I'm against fan art as a rule and don't want to support it, so I'm afraid I cannot say yes. Start a discussion on Talk:Martisha Vinetalker and get some other editors to agree or chime in. Then at least there'll be an associated discussion on it for future record, with links and quotes, etc. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 11:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * PS: Halt that, there's been some objections from other editors. We'll open up a general discussion of fan art on the Forum and review the policy and where we all stand on it. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Feel free to share your views at Forum:Review of Fan Art Policy. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

RE: The Realm
Regarding your talk page message to me, that was extremely excessive. I had not edited in the four hours before you temporarily blocked me. There was absolutely zero reason to assume I was going to continue making changes to those links. I sincerely hope you don't have a habit of making your first interaction with new users the block button. On Wikipedia, we call that biting the newcomers. ): &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey. Unfortunately, there are only a few editors consistently active on this wiki, so a short block is the default in order to prevent a new editor from making large numbers of problematic edits, and thus creating a large burden on the active editors to undo those edits. Although, if you know about WP:BITE, then you should understand the importance of policies to a well-run wiki. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi. I don't know where you got four hours from; I blocked you only seven minutes after your last edit. Maybe it's the time difference? And it was only for two hours, the minimum setting available. Since you only responded more than two weeks later, I'm guessing you didn't come back and notice until now. If you'd responded on your Talk page at the time, I would've lifted the block immediately and let you continue.


 * SilverTiger has it right: we do this to save us all the effort, newbies and veterans. While your fixed link on Elemental Chaos was correct, I couldn't assume you wouldn't continue with more incorrect link edits like those on the cartoon kids or more significant problems. Please always check the facts and policies first. And I've been bit plenty of times of Wikipedia. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

5e Vecna
Hey, I think the new image is far more representative of 5e Vecna rather than the MTG artwork. Considering the fact that MTG art wasn't used anywhere outside MTG while the new image is featured not only on the official D&D youtube channel, but also in the 2022 Dungeons & Dragons annual. It really does seem like the 5e redesign for an upcoming adventure. Source, Amazon link.Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't know that it's representative; Vecna's been depicted differently in every outing, it seems, but this latest one has two eyes! Anyway, thanks for identifying a source for it, I'd been looking for sources and artists for these pieces when you uploaded. We prefer sourcebooks as primary sources over YouTube videos and other promotional materials, and even the Annual 2022 is uncertain as a source, as it's just more promo materials. It may be premature to assume it's for an adventure, or even for 5e. And I would still like to identify the artist so we can properly attribute it and present it. In any case, thanks, I'll check this later and revise the images. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi again. We've decided that while the image is still only appearing in promotional materials (the licensed annual and video, in support of the statue and Funko figure), it's still not officially official, as it were. The image was pieced together from the video by a Redditor, so there could be more to it still. So we'll leave the MtG image in the spotlight a while longer until we know more about this latest one and have an artist for it. Thanks for finding the nice image though. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, that Redditor was me, haha. The thing is, I'm not sure if MtG image represents 5e Vecna either. At the very least the new image is used by D&D sources, while MtG Vecna is in MtG media only. And with expensive figurines and Funkos it doesn't look like Wizards are planning to use the MtG design in the future. Maybe we can move the MtG image to the gallery as well? Otherwise you'd have to move MtG's "sexy Bane" from the gallery to the infobox, haha. I think 4e Vecna represents the character rather well. - Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 13:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * And now there's a D&D Beyond promo featuring the same images. It seems like they really are pushing this new design. Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 20:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, so it sees. And artist Kieran Yanner just posted it on Twitter, here, so now we have an artist for it. I've replaced your image with his, to be more complete and official. Yanner says we'll know more tomorrow.


 * Where options exist, we try to display images we feel are decently representative, we don't have to be consistent. So while we bury stupid sexy MtG Bane down in the Gallery, we'll show other MtG images like the MtG Vecna (whose depiction has been generally widely varying). In time, the new 5e depiction will dominate and we can switch, but until then, I think we can give the classic lich wizard style a few more days in the spotlight. :) ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * It's official now! The Vecna Dossier + How Powerful is Vecna We have an official 5e vecna statblock as well! Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Alright then, I've switched the images. :) ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

ILM (Industrial Light & Magic) - D&D Honor Among Thieves
Your facts are simply wrong I've searched the entire internet and yes MPC was hiring around June 2021, ILM was already brought on board first https://www.ilm.com/vfx/dungeons-dragons-honor-among-thieves/ and my assumptions are most of the artists from ILM on IMDB and their own website (including ILM's) have already got this film on their linkedin account. MPC there hasn't been much online saying artists wise. So ILM is the main overall VFX company if Ben Snow is senior supervisor he could potentially be the production vfx supervisor for ILM aswell as the main show itself. Please check your facts about VFX before updating on here – User:MovieDude2001


 * The entire internet, really? Even the pixels? Anyway, yes, that is the exact same site that I had already cited. There are no dates on it, so you can't say when they first reported working on it, let alone when they actually working on it, something known only to employees. I do know that when ILM recently redesigned their website, they removed all mention of the D&D movie for several days before they remembered to restore the page, so, who knows, maybe it's not that much of a priority for them.


 * Your assumptions are not facts. Only one person from ILM has the D&D movie mentioned in their LinkedIn, and none from MPC, which is hardly a representative sample either way. But MPC have been recruiting and posting about the movie often on their LinkedIn and Instagram accounts, while ILM haven't said anything I can find. IMDB is filled in by the crew themselves or by randoms on the Internet, so all you can say from that is that more ILM staff have their details there. It means nothing.


 * In any case, it doesn't matter. There's no way anyone outside the company can know who worked on what, which company had the lion's share of shots or if they're collaborating or not, and who started first, and I don't care, so there's no point you arguing about it. But hey, you've searched the entire internet, so check your facts if you have any and do share them, just like how I've documented the entire production and broken several stories about this. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 01:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Disambig in infobox
Is there a way to exclude the disambig from the infobox article title and still have the appropriate categories link to the page? With the Street of Swords (Zhentil Keep) page the category "Locations on the Street of Swords (Zhentil Keep)" did not link to the page when (Zhentil Keep) was removed from the infobox title. Artemaz (talk) 11:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ah, I didn't realise that would be an issue. Yeah, it needs the  parameter included, as in Template:Location/Road. There you can set whatever the category needs, separate from the infobox title. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, just added it. Thanks! Artemaz (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Some advice
Leave your patronizing attitude in your other pants - the only people who get to look down on me is anyone taller than I am. HalfShadow (talk) 04:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * That would be me and the other experienced editors here then. As the owner of the wiki, I assure you: these are my pants and any patronizing attitude you think I have is quite appropriate. I had left you with a polite note with some tips and requests. Now, I've blocked you for a month for the harassment, and look forward to hearing how patronizing you think this response is. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 05:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
 * You're cute if you think a block'll stop me any longer than I want it to. Keep reaching for that star...


 * It's cute that you think I care. Now, you could've just "Sure, 'kay," done better, and moved on, but here you are. Have a nice day. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 05:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am Fandom's new Senior Community Manager for Gaming
Hello there! My name is Jieyang and I'm going around saying hi to admins in the community. I joined about two weeks ago but you'll be seeing me around more in the future.

You can learn more about me through my blog. Feel free to drop me a message on Discord as well! - Itsjieyang (talk) 18:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there, welcome to the Forgotten Realms Wiki! ~ BadCatMan (talk) 00:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Confusing info on "Hark's Finger"
Reference 1 on the Hark's Finger page refers to the Map, which is in parenthesis and no page number is mentioned. If you click the edit button, half of the information is blue and there is more in black. Specifically it mentions page number 34 but the word "Map" is now missing. In the product referenced, The Bloodstone Lands, Hark's Finger is indeed discussed on page 34 but the map is actually on page 19. Not sure how to edit or even if I should. Please advise. Thank you.

Edit: Reference number 1 disappears completely after the edit button is clicked and reference 2 and 3 shift up.


 * Hi. The page is correct and working properly, but FANDOM's VisualEditor has some common faults and it won't convert the map citation template. I'll take this to the other editors and maybe to FANDOM. Thanks for pointing it out. In any case, we always recommend people use the Source Editor to view the wiki code directly.


 * Now, the "The Bloodstone Lands (Map)" reference refers to the poster map that accompanies the book. It doesn't appear on any page, so it has a separate citation. I've included page 19 as part of the page 34 book reference. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Red link citations
Is there a way to search for pages that have a reference cited for a book where a citation template has yet to be created? Artemaz (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Behold, Special:WantedTemplates. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks! Artemaz (talk) 23:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Candlekeep forums/downloads citation?
There's a wealth of information at the thread about Ilira/Yldar/Cythara and in the three related downloadable PDFs at the lore page, are these particular items citable, and how exactly is citing from Candlekeep done? ChloeLorde


 * Hi! While it's interesting, by our Forgotten Realms Wiki:Canon policy, we cannot accept it on the wiki as part of a regular article. It's not official published information, only the author's unpublished notes, homebrew, etc., which can often veer in a different direction to the official setting (and only Ed Greenwood's every utterance is treated as canon). While you might use it to confirm things (say the spells used by a character in a novel), it can't itself be documented. However, you could mention and link to it in an Appendix, as part of Background, External Links, etc.


 * Citing Candlekeep forum posts can be done with Cite web/Candlekeep forum, though it's fiddly. This is normally done for Ed's responses, of course.


 * By the way, welcome to the wiki! It looks like you've been doing good work and learning the ropes quick, and we definitely appreciate that. :) Have you edited wikis before? ~ BadCatMan (talk) 14:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I suspected that source wasn't quite acceptable and wanted to make sure before investing hours in something that would just get reverted. This is my first time editing a wiki, and I'm trying to do it right from the start :) ChloeLorde (talk) 06:51, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * That is very welcome, thank you! :D If you have any more questions, feel free to ask me, or anyone really. We're happy to help. :)


 * By the way, to reference a chapter in a novel,  can be simplified to   without needing the   entry, just another pipe character. I've also included , which is where page numbers go. We try to get these as narrow as possible to make it easier to locate and confirm information. If you don't have a physical copy of a novel, I recommend using Internet Archive's library, such as their copy of Downshadow here. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 07:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)