Talk:Zuggtmoy

Realms-Related
With regards to Zuggtmoy not being related to the Realms, this appears to be true, as I've yet to see her mentioned in a Realms-specific articles (see below). However, she is mentioned as an Abyssal lord on page 49 of On Hallowed Ground, so conceivably there could be a connection, as there has been with Baphomet, Demogorgon, and Yeenoghu (who are also mentioned in On Hallowed Ground).

Oddly, the Candlekeep.com index for Zuggtmoy lists mention of her in The North: Guide to the Savage Frontier and Powers & Pantheons, though I can't find mention of her in either book, much less on the specific pages noted. Perhaps I'm just blind?

I vote (not that this is a democracy!) to keep the article, albeit have it cleaned up. 73.150.122.43 01:29, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * The two references you cite from the Candlekeep index are for Zukothoth not Zuggtmoy. The only reference for Zuggtmoy is the Planescape map which I might have and will have to dig up. Thanks for your interest! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:41, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, she is listed there on layer 222 with Juiblex. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 03:35, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Demon Prince not Lord
Im not entire sure what the difference is, someone please tell me but Greenwood said she is a Demon Price (or princess) not a Demon Lord, as does Mordekian's guide.https://twitter.com/TheEdVerse/status/1279144288589361153

Heartlesslove93 (talk) 02:41, July 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd strongly advise reading the actual page before asking Ed, or at least asking on this Talk page first. "Each demon lord had a unique appearance and set of abilities and commanded over at least one layer of the Abyss. Those that controlled several layers and rose higher in power gave themselves the title of demon prince."


 * This quote from Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss sums it up perfectly: "Some demon lords are demon princes, but such titles are largely meaningless in a realm as infinite and chaotic as the Abyss."


 * In terms of the infobox, we don't display the Demon Prince title because it is subjective, and as per the source, meaningless. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 08:24, July 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes discusses "demon princes" on page 24, but doesn't actually list any demons as such. Instead, Zuggtmoy is listed among the demon lords, starting from page 27. Some are "Prince of" this or that, but Zuggtmoy is Demon Queen of Fungi, not a demon prince. The problem is that the OP in that tweet mistakenly said MToF called Zuggtmoy a demon prince, and Greenwood didn't disagree, presumably not wanting to disagree with the sourcebook. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:33, July 4, 2020 (UTC)