User talk:Artemaz

Welcome!
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— Darkwynters (talk) 21:06, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Welcome fellow Scribe
Hello Artemas, I've seen you around the halls of Candlekeep and it is good to have another helper over here. If you have any trouble you can ask me or one of the Admins and we'll come and see what we can do. Best bet is to look at other articles to see how things work. The task is tall but so is our ambition!--Eli the Tanner (talk) 23:48, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism Warning
Hi. Your Al-Badia article was obviously copied direct from the sourcebook. Please note that as per Plagiarism policy, we do not accept copied material that will infringe on copyright. Thus the Al-Badia article is up for deletion. Please rewrite it in your own words, using standard wiki style. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:54, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Templates
Art, admin Movie just wrote an excellent help paragraph, so I am posting it for you and changing a few words to fit your needs :)


 * Thanks for your Alyana al-Azzazi article, it's a good start :) You chose to write an article about a person, so the next step would be to add the Person infobox to your page, and fill it out as best you can. You can copy and paste it from the "Usage" section. If you follow that link and scroll down, you'll see the "Standardized Sections". These are the general guidelines we use for articles about locations. Copy and paste them into your page, add your info (and anything else that the headings might suggest to you) and delete the ones you don't use. Take a look at other person articles to see how they are put together. Don't worry about getting it perfect, one of the other editors or admins will come along and tidy up if it needs it. Just remember to write everything in your own words (with few exceptions, we cannot accept passages copied directly from the source), and put it in past tense (see the Past Tense Policy and Plagiarism policy). And most of all, have fun! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:04, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is awesome advice from Movie... If you have any questions, please ask and keep up the good work :) - Darkwynters (talk) 22:50, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Categorization
I reverted your category adds to Alhoon lich because only named individuals are considered "Inhabitants". See the discussion at Forum:Categorization system for creatures. Creatures are categorized by one or more subcategories of Category:Creatures, so take a look at Category:Creatures by alignment, Category:Creatures by type, Category:Creatures by climate, Category:Creatures by terrain, etc. In this case the Alhoon lich would be added to types Category:Aberrations and Category:Undead, alignment Category:Creatures of lawful evil alignment, and terrain Category:Creatures found in underground locations. Underground locations generally don't have a climate, so no need for that category. There are probably others, but that gives you an idea where to start. User:Darkwynters is our category expert, so I'm sure he'll tweak the categories as needed. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 20:11, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Editing
Hey, Art, excellent work on helping out the wiki... have look at your Asgetrion page and please just copy and paste the infobox and page setup... it makes editing the pages easier... thanks and if you have any questions, please ask :) - Darkwynters (talk) 02:31, April 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I see you are having trouble with infoboxes, like on the Shambarin page. Here's how you do it: First, go to the Template page for the infobox you want. In this case it is Person, so click that link and you should see the documentation for the Person template, which explains what all the fields mean and gives an example. It also has a Usage section, which should look like a blue box with the template code in it. Do not go into edit mode, just highlight all the text in the blue box and CTRL-C, then go to your new page and, in edit mode, click at the top of the edit box and CTRL-V. This should copy the template code into your new page, then just fill in the values after the equal signs.


 * For a new page, you should also copy and paste the Standardized Sections to give you guidelines on what info to put where. This is another blue box further down on the Person page. Just highlight everything in the box and cut and paste as usual. Sometime before you are done with the page, you should delete any headings that you don't use. I hope that helps. Oh, and one more thing. Please sign your posts to Talk pages with four tildes ( ~ ) so it will record your user name and the time stamp. Like this &rarr; Moviesign (talk) 23:56, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

Silver Marches
So you know, the "Silver Marches" are also called Luruar, and that is the term used on this wiki. Most of your categories don't need to be added. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:35, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Ahh wow, I'd never heard of that term before.Artemas Entreri (talk) 19:03, April 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I only know because I made the same mistake before. :) ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:51, April 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * All fixed... no need for multiple categories... no worries, Art, I ran into the same problem a few years ago... keep up the good work :) HAHA! I posted this at the same time as Lhyn - Darkwynters (talk) 19:54, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

Rivers
Hello! Thanks a lot for taking the time to change the Zakharan cities' articles to past tense! I have one question about your links for the respective rivers: These are redirects that only refer back to the city articles. As there is little more information about those rivers, I also do not expect them become real articles in the future - I mainly created them to have them appear in Category:Rivers. So do you see any specific reasons to have those links in the articles? Thanks for letting me know. Daranios (talk) 21:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

I plan on adding a ton of stuff for anything related to Zakhara ... but not sure how far in the future it will be. I guess we don't need a page for each specific river if none of the Al-Qadim supplements mention anything beyond stating that XXXX was just a river. (Artemas Entreri (talk) 02:39, May 7, 2015 (UTC))


 * I am looking forward to Zakharan additions, whenever in the future! I would remove the river links for the time being.Daranios (talk) 08:22, May 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I am quite amazed about what did in such a short time. Great work! Daranios (talk) 12:40, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! As I learn more about the proper way to setup new pages and make corrections to existing ones I'm finding myself becoming even more addicted to the Forgotten Realms Wiki. :) I've got PLENTY more to add so please don't hesitate to send me a message if I'm doing anything wrong. Artemas Entreri (talk) 13:14, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

New Zakharan Categories
Thanks for expanding the categories for Zakhara. Great job! I love seeing this setting getting more attention. Artemas Entreri (talk) 22:40, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks...still trying to figure out a few things on the directional borders of West, Northwest, and North Zakhara...also, what if the difference between the Corsair Domains and the Genie's Turban? - Darkwynters (talk) 23:09, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

The Corsair Domains encompass the Genie's Turban, The Desert's Virtues, and all of the smaller islands in the surrounding area. Artemas Entreri (talk) 23:12, May 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi! I couldn't resist to raise a few questions here to more clearly define how we want to use the new "geographical" categories for Zakhara. Maybe you want to join in there? Daranios (talk) 20:46, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Lead Sentence Format
You've probably already noticed some of my recent changes to your (excellent) articles regarding the first sentence, but just to be sure, I'm leaving you a note here.

The policy on this wiki is that the article title (or an expansion of it) should be the subject of the sentence. This is for consistency's sake. Honestly, I think a lot of your more creative intro. sentences sound better, but in this case, we prioritize consistency over good/flexible writing style. (I had a bunch of my sentences "corrected" in this manner when I first started writing.)

Keep up the good work!

~ Lhynard (talk) 02:02, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I figured that was the case after seeing some of your corrections to my articles. ;) Is it ok to get a bit more creative in the subsections (description, price, possessions, etc)with sentences? Sometimes I feel like what I'm writing there get's a bit boring/repetitive. (Bob was tall. Bob owned a magical sword. Bob used to live in Waterdeep) Artemas Entreri (talk) 02:17, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * By all means, yes, be more creative in the rest of the article! I'm with you. ~ Lhynard (talk) 02:19, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do! Artemas Entreri (talk) 02:22, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

I was changing those intro lines around, and yeah, it's for consistency and wiki format (as widely used on Wikipedia itself). I feel an article should begin with the subject of that article for immediate ease of understanding, followed by specific necessary information ("Browntown is a village in...", "Joe is a human male fighter from Browntown"). A reader shouldn't have to read through a long sentence or small paragraph to get to the point. Then again, I don't want to be so rigid and my-way-or-the-highway prescriptivist as some other admins I've seen.

But I agree, it is an interesting, conversational, sourcebook-like style, absorbing a reader into the article from the opening. When you were persisting, I began to wonder if maybe people liked it the other way. There are some special topics where a reverse order is preferable as well.

And yes, I love to see creative, well-written text in the rest of the article. User:Moviesign's Blood of Morueme has some great turns of phrase. — BadCatMan (talk) 02:54, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with the direct lead sentence format that you guys are talking about. Regarding the lead sentence: for every person who enjoys a more creative style, I bet you'll have 100 who get confused. Artemas Entreri (talk) 13:03, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

ASS???? I no understand!?!? What happened???
 * Sorry about that! I saw on the edit history that you added categories to a page and saw weird categories listed. Turns out it was a mistake I made when I tried to add the Askar kit right next to Fighter in the infobox. Artemas Entreri (talk) 15:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, ok now I understand, good was all okay (Unknown user 11 (talk) 15:33, May 21, 2015 (UTC))

Rename
Hmmm, I changed your name... maybe I should not have left a redirect... it appears your User:Artemas Entreri page has all your edits... sorry :( hmmm, BadCat!! - Darkwynters (talk) 16:58, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ha ha yeah I saw and just left another message about that on Hash's page. If I can't keep all of my edits/stats with the new "Artemas" name then I'd prefer to keep the old "Artemas Entreri" name. Artemas Entreri (talk) 17:52, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty certain that you can't change your user name because it is a Wikia account that is used across all Wikias and you'd have to ask Wikia management. You can, however, change your signature to Artemas, or whatever you want by editing your preferences. Other than that, I think you are stuck with your original account name. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:41, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, Art... I am not sure how to change you back... caused enough damage... let us see if Movie or BadCat can help - Darkwynters (talk) 21:16, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you are back to normal. I would log out and back in to be sure. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:04, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it's back to normal. Thanks guys, and sorry for the headache!Artemas (talk) 22:24, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Usernames can be changed once (and only once!) by asking a wikia staffer at Special:Contact. If a staffer agrees to do it then all edits are transferred over to the new name. -hashtalk 23:06, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. Looks like "Artemas" is taken using the method Wiki suggested to check username availability. If this is the same "Artemas" that I was (briefly) is there a way to remove it so I can claim it for real this time (with all of my stats transferred, pending wiki approval of the new name)? Artemas (talk) 23:20, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately not. Wikia is not set up to delete accounts. They can only be disabled (they still exist but aren't usable) or renamed. -hashtalk 23:46, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I was able to rename myself to "Artemaz." Thanks for all of the help! Artemas (talk) 16:32, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

You are an Al-Qadim expert
Anyone can have one but you'll have to make the image yourself if you want one specifically for Zakhara. Mine is -hashtalk 22:54, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Please pause on the Midani word articles.
Hey, I love language info on the wiki, but this is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. Word articles break the 3-sentence rule. The way we want to handle words from languages is with dictionary articles like Elven dictionary or Alzhedo dictionary. I'll go create a Midani dictionary article now, and I'll move these new articles into that one.

~ Lhynard (talk) 13:27, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, thanks. After adding the first few words I figured something like this would be better. Artemas (talk) 13:48, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, go to town adding words to the Midani dictionary! ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:10, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Shukran Lhyn! :) Artemas (talk) 14:12, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Afwan, es salam alekum. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:13, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, if you have a dictionary entry that could be expanded into an article, that's ok too. It can both be in the dictionary and have its own article. Just make the dictionary entry a link. See Alzhedo dictionary, where I link to Pasha, for example. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:16, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do, but most of the words I plan on adding are just one sentence entries. Artemas (talk) 14:18, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Links to Land of Fate
Please be careful not to link to Land of Fate unless you are specifically talking about the sourcebook. If you are going for variety, use.

Keep up the good work! ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:35, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see you've already stopped. :) Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:37, June 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha yeah I saw you removing those links and caught on. :) Artemas (talk) 14:07, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Just a moment
Hey, Art, just felt like leaving a small note... nice work on adding the sorts for characters and all your recent creature pages from Monstrous Compendium Al-Qadim Appendix! Keep up the good work :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:35, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * (Wow, you beat me to thanking him by two minutes. :) ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:41, June 11, 2015 (UTC))


 * Thanks guys! I try to tackle at least a few small sort projects a day. I've been uploading the Al-Qadim creatures after typing them up on Word and it feels much smoother that way. Looks like another user started going through the Al-Qadim creatures alphabetically but quit halfway, so I'm starting from Z and meeting him in the middle. Fun stuff! :) Artemas (talk) 17:46, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hehe... actually, you are also doing a great job too, Lhyn... though, I am glad your 150 - 200 edits per day has slowed down :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:48, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Default Sorting Project
First, thank you for taking this project on!

Just a minor point: please check the bottom of articles to see if they have  already at the bottom and move it to the top. Articles should not have one at both top and bottom, just the top. Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:37, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do! I've noticed that some articles have the def sort on the bottom worded correctly, yet the page name does not show up correctly when sorted. Any idea why? Artemas (talk) 17:49, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * This happens when there are automatically generated categories on a page, like those created by Class table. For some reason, the auto-cats do not pick up the DEFAULTSORT when it occurs after (that is, farther down on the page) they are generated. But if you move the DEFAULTSORT to the top of the page, then the auto-cats take on the sortkey in proper fashion. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 19:46, June 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info. I figured it was something simple like that.Artemas (talk) 19:55, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Descriptors for Spells
I noticed you are adding descriptors to some of your Zakharan spells. As far as I know, descriptors were introduced in 3rd edition and do not apply to 2nd edition spells. They started putting things like [Fire] after the school in the spell description in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition sourcebook. If your Zakharan spells are actually organized by some sort of descriptor, then it's probably okay to use the Desc templates (note that they automatically generate a category like Category:Fire spells). Otherwise, I wouldn't waste your time adding them. If 2nd edition descriptors are a real thing, then please update the documentation page or give me a list of all possible 2nd edition descriptors and I'll do it. Thanks! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:22, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ahh thanks, I didn't realize it was only for 3E. For these 2E spells should I just add Fire, Air, etc under the "type" section? Artemas (talk) 15:52, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * 2nd Edition Al-Qadim has "provinces" (instead of descriptors), which work very similar to the usual schools. (By the way, if I recall correctly, the Tome of Magic 2nd edition has elementalists, which work as "specialists" in an element. The Tome accordingly should give an "elemental school" for its spells and those from the Player's Handbook 2nd edition. But maybe no such elementalists appear in Realms canon.) So we could just add the province under schools, or keep using the descriptor. The fact that it adds Category:Fire spells and things like that seems to be fitting to me. Or we could expand the template to include provinces, but I am not to keen on expanding the template too much. (As far as I understand, the "type" section is a more basic distinction for the kind of magic, like Vancian, instead of the kind of spell.) Daranios (talk) 18:27, June 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * The type parameter is always Vancian for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and now 5th edition. It only has a different meaning for 4th edition powers. The Tome of Magic 2nd edition does list "Elemental Air" (and Earth, Fire, and Water) as "schools", so if Zakharan sources give this as the school, let's use it that way. For example, fireball is in the evocation school and the school of "Elemental Fire". I recommend setting school2e to "Evocation (Elemental Fire)" and then adding the categories Category:Evocation spells and Category:Elemental Fire spells (2e) (not to be confused with Category:Elemental fire sphere spells (2e) which already exists for priest spells). Make sense? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 04:31, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Zakharan spells still have the same schools as other 2E spells but are also listed as one of the following: Universal, Flame, Sand, Wind, Sea. Artemas (talk) 12:45, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * So we could treat them as (full) schools of an alternate system of schools. I have made a suggestion in Banish dazzle. I am not quite sure where to link, but maybe in the future we can have a Fire page (like the Negative energy page), where we can describe fire as an energy, element, spell descriptor and school. We could also one day add the Al-Qadim system of "provinces" and the Tome's system of "elemental schools" under Magic. What do you think? Daranios (talk) 18:48, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Daranios. I think your suggestion for Banish dazzle works fine and I agree the provinces and Tome additions would be nice in the future. I'll edit the spells I've already added to appear like Banish dazzle and make sure the new ones appear the same way. Artemas (talk) 19:03, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Since these are unique to, or at least strongly associated with Zakhara, can we use the Zakharan names Flame, Wind, Sand, and Sea? I don't want to get them mixed up with Category:Fire spells et.al. which are already a jumble of 3rd and 4th edition spells, unless we actually want to do so. Keep the "old school" name too, of course. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 19:42, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! I'll change them to reflect the unique Al-Qadim elemental names instead of the other stand ones. Artemas (talk) 19:59, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

Kits
Art, why are you changing all the class tables... the kits are suppose to be in parentheses... that way all the level by classes are correct... - Darkwynters (talk) 19:17, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

I saw a bunch my earlier pages were changed to show only the kit as the class and figured that was the way it was done. Is it ok to leave them appearing in the infobox as Kit (Class)? That way someone who has no idea was an Askar, Faris, etc is will still know it's a fighter. Just let me know if it needs to get changed back to Class (Kit) and I can change them back. Artemas (talk) 19:22, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think you should change them back... only Al-Qadim uses kits in the stat blocks for the most part and you have created a ton of new categories... I know there was a discussion about this a while back with User:Daranios... or wait to see what BadCat or Movie think... or just ask on their talk pages... yeah, better idea, I vote you change them back, but see what they think FIRST :) - Darkwynters (talk) 19:26, July 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello! I stick to Darkwynters on this point. I lost a bit track of the details of our discussion, but I think we basically agreed on the Class (Kit) format like in Aban al-Hadhar, which gives us classes by level, but not kits by level, and thus seems a bit more streamlined and with the proper emphasis to me. Daranios (talk) 19:52, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats
Congrats on 5,000 edits today! ~ Lhynard (talk) 04:22, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, thanks! Not too bad for my first 4 months! :) Artemas (talk) 11:33, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Good work! You really racked them up updating the defaultsorts. :) — BadCatMan (talk) 11:49, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Definitely true! That has slowed down a bit now since it's getting harder and harder to find more pages to "def sort" ... which is, of course, a great thing. ;) Artemas (talk) 11:52, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Congrats also from my side. I can just repeat: It's just amazing what you did since joining here - from my side of course especially for the Al-Qadim material! Daranios (talk) 12:01, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Daranios! I have a mountain of Al-Qadim stuff yet to be added and am taking things one step at a time. I wish I started using the Forgotten Realms Wiki much sooner, but better late than never! :) Artemas (talk) 12:05, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Excellent job, Art... ye have slowed down on your edits and have found a nice niche in Al-Qadim... keep up the great work :) - Darkwynters (talk) 15:26, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do! Artemas (talk) 15:49, July 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, Art, congrats on 11,285 edits... continue to "keep up the great work" :) - Darkwynters (talk) 19:34, November 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Darkwynters! I'm not going anywhere. I'm just mad I didn't find the wiki sooner. Artemaz (talk) 20:07, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Bey Gumushtekin
Possibly I mistake but for what I know about arabic and islamic history the bey was a title, like sultan or caliph, but with minor power, so probably, because Al Qadim materials were based from arab lore, the name of this guy was simply Gumushtekin (Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:51, July 17, 2015 (UTC))


 * You are probably right, thanks for pointing it out. I'll change it on that page and the other "Noble Genie" pages I just made. Artemas (talk) 17:01, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Category Hierarchy
Hey, A,

You undid some of my undoing of your edits. Let me explain something about how categories are supposed to work. For articles, we put every category that applies, both specific and general. For category pages themselves, we only put categories that are one higher in the hierarchy tree. So Category:Noble marids should only have Category:Noble genies and Category:Marids, because it is redundant to include Category:Genies, since all Noble genies and all marids are genies.

Make sense?

~ Lhynard (talk) 19:02, July 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, gotcha. I was treating the cats like articles as far as categorization goes. Artemas (talk) 19:16, July 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Categories are like ladders... so Category:Inhabitants of the Sword Coast North is the child of Category:Inhabitants of Northwest Faerûn... who then falls under Category:Inhabitants of Faerûn, and so on and so forth getting more broad as you go :) - Darkwynters (talk) 21:45, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Tome of Magic page numbers
Hello! As you own the Tome of Magic 2nd edition, could I ask you a favour? The Tome contains a list of which spells are in the four Elemental schools (for wizards) in the end. Could you maybe let me know the page numbers where these spells are listed in the English version (I only have the German one), and including which spell is the last of each page? Thank you very much! Daranios (talk) 08:55, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Of course! I'm out of town this week and don't have access to my AD&D books, but will do it as soon as I return next Saturday. Artemas (talk) 22:22, July 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * heh, I also own the book, but I'm also out of town for a week. What are the odds? Make a list of pages that need references from this book and we'll clean them up at the first opportunity. :b &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 04:58, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's not urgent :-). At the moment the page number is missing in Earth (element) (for all spells listed in Elemental Earth) and Transmute rock to mud, but if you let me know the page numbers (and with which spell the page ends) I could use this in the future. Daranios (talk) 13:15, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the page numbers! In the German version, the list of elemental spells in the appendix stretches over two pages. Daranios (talk) 19:42, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sandman
An elemental man-shaped creature made of sand, the sandman is one of the monsters featured in Assassin Mountain. Daranios (talk) 20:30, August 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Beautiful, thanks! Artemas (talk) 20:34, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Catalogue
Hey, Art, just a little note... adding items from Aurora's Whole Realms Catalogue is awesome! That book is so cool, I even use it in my 5e games... good show! - Darkwynters (talk) 22:01, August 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha thanks! Aurora's is definitely one of my favorite books. I would use it to buy fun stuff for every character I made back in the day. :) Artemas (talk) 22:20, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ethnicities Project
Can you give me a list of human ethnicities for Zakhara? Is there only one? Or are there several? ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:44, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Zakharan is the only ethnicity, though some might split that into the Al-Badia (nomads) and Al-Hadhar (urban) since their cultures have developed differently over the years. However, "Zakharan" refers to all of the races (human, dwarf, elf, halfling, goblin, ogre, giants, etc) collectively since they live in harmony not seen elsewhere on Toril.Artemaz (talk) 22:58, August 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:44, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Categories for New Items
Hey, Art,

Please be careful with the categorization pages you are creating to go along with the new items you are adding. Make sure you do a little bit of research to confirm that you are putting them in the right hierarchy. (I noticed the couple in the Lands of Intrigue, because that's one of my favored areas.)

As always, keep up the great work you are doing!

~ Lhynard (talk) 14:02, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do! The Empires of the Sands thing was a complete brain fart on my part. Artemaz (talk) 14:26, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Category Sorting
I think it's great that you added a bunch more Categories to Category:Chosen. However, could you go back and make them sort properly? For each one, you need to set the cat like this:

Or you can use the category editor to do this. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:26, September 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Of course! Artemaz (talk) 15:33, September 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * sweet; thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:50, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay I'll restrain myself (fictional characters).71.38.153.34 17:36, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
Hi there! I have tried to clear up what I think was a misunderstanding about Category:Fictional characters (in-universe) at the talk page. Daranios (talk) 17:56, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Project Request
Saheeda! As part of my Ethnicity Project, I just created the Zakharan (ethnicity) page. However, I only had access to two 3e sourcebooks, which were both Faerûn-focused. Would it be possible for you to help expand the article?

Also, are there not any pictures of a typical Zakharan anywhere?

Shukran in advance.

~ Lhynard (talk) 23:02, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Of course I'd love to help. I have tomorrow off for Leif Erikson day so I'll rummage through my Al-Qadim books and see what I can add to help expand the page. :) Artemaz (talk) 23:26, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Map Cropping
First, I love that you are adding map images to so many of my location pages. Thanks!

However, you seem to be very inconsistent with cropping and zoom. Sometimes your images are oriented as portraits; other times as landscape. Portrait orientation means that many of your images don't fill the infobox, which looks bad. Sometimes you are zoomed in so far that it is hard to see context. For example, the text of Koyoss mentions the Lugalpgotak Sea, but you've zoomed in too far to see it. As a comparison, I think the map for Jukum looks great, but the one for Koyoss not.

I'd like to suggest that you only crop as landscape or square orientation, and make sure that any reference points mentioned in the body of the article can be seen in the zoom.

Thanks! And keep up the good work.

~ Lhynard (talk) 19:45, November 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Will do! The only reason I zoom so far on some of these is because the text for the main focus of the image (Koyoss for example) is unreadable unless you zoom. Artemaz (talk) 19:59, November 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Another reason to zoom out a bit is to make use of the map on more than one page. Consider File:IronRoad.png is used on 7 different pages, for example. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 21:47, November 24, 2015 (UTC)

Minor Thing
When you tag pages with a template that takes a date parameter, use five tildes, not four.


 * = your name
 * ~ = both
 * = the date

~ Lhynard (talk) 02:49, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Map edition?
Handsome Rob's maps belong to what edition, would you say? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 04:02, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm, good question. I know they are pre-Spellplague because Chult is not separated and Luiren, Haluraa, the Shaar, etc have not been blasted or destroyed. I'd guess they are 3E maps. Artemaz (talk) 13:57, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm going to run the bot over all his images and put them in Category:3rd edition maps. Thanks! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:23, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought I had read that he was trying to make them include multiple editions. They are definitely pre-Spellplague, as Artemaz said, but they have more 2e information than 3e information, from what I've noticed. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:49, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are there physical differences between 2E and 3E maps? 2E is my Realms of choice so I'm a little ignorant on the subject. Artemaz (talk) 19:47, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nothing major that I can think of right now. The return of Shade to the skies above Anauroch started to change the climate/terrain of the area, but it's not until 4th edition that it all turns green (correct me if I'm wrong). I can add the maps to both categories if you think it is appropriate. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 21:07, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * There were some major geological differences, actually. The 3e maps removed some mountain ranges&mdash;like the Kuldin Peaks&mdash;shifted others&mdash;like the Snowflake Mountains&mdash;changed the courses of some rivers and drastically changed the scale of some regions&mdash;such as the Great Glacier. No attempt was made to "explain" these changes. (Honestly, I think most of it was just sloppiness on the part of the 3e cartographer(s).)


 * Rob seems to "correct" the 3e maps.


 * But he's the best one to ask. I think he can be tracked down on the Candlekeep Forums.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 06:02, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Map Categorization
You have added back some categories that I removed. Please read Forum:Categorizing maps and join the discussion so we don't continue to undo each other's work. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 03:33, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Which cats on which page(s) did I add back?Artemaz (talk) 03:51, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hehe, look at the edit history for File:Al-Zira.PNG and you'll see a few examples. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 04:17, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ugh, Images/Maps are quickly becoming my least favorite thing on the wiki. So for a map page like the pic of File:Al-Zira.PNG (which is a section of the greater Djinni's Claws in this case), I am NOT supposed to add the category "Maps of the Djinni's Claws?"

Also, on this page is it ok to have it labeled "Maps of islands" and "Maps of seas and oceans?"Artemaz (talk) 12:45, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Using the guidelines proposed in Forum:Categorizing maps, here is what I would do:

And I think we can stop there. Does that make sense? Please comment on the Forum if you want to suggest changes to the guidelines. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:49, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Starting with File:Al-Zira.PNG, add Category:Maps.
 * 2) Look at the image and add categories for each named feature. Obviously we need Category:Maps of Al-Zira, but since there are enough visible letters of two other names to figure out what they are, it would be okay to also add Category:Maps of Kalb Bahriy Sahr and Category:Maps of the Djinni's Claws. This is a judgment call because it is not a map of all of the Djinni's Claws, nor a map of all of Kalb Bahriy Sahr, and its about how easy or obvious it is to figure out the whole name from the part that shows up on the map.
 * 3) This is a map of islands, so add Category:Maps of islands. The name of a sea or ocean does not appear on this map, so I would NOT add Category:Maps of seas and oceans or Category:Maps of the Crowded Sea.
 * 4) Now categorize the categories:
 * 5) * Category:Maps of Al-Zira &rarr; Category:Maps of the Djinni's Claws, also add Category:Maps of islands so that it contains an alphabetical list of all islands by name.
 * 6) * Category:Maps of Kalb Bahriy Sahr &rarr; Category:Maps of the Djinni's Claws and Category:Maps of islands.
 * 7) * Category:Maps of the Djinni's Claws &rarr; Category:Maps of the Crowded Sea, Category:Maps of Southwest Zakhara, and Category:Maps of islands.
 * 8) * Category:Maps of the Crowded Sea &rarr; Category:Maps of Southwest Zakhara and Category:Maps of seas and oceans.


 * Thanks Movie. That makes sense but I was a little confused because the MovieBot had removed the Maps of the Djinni's Claws category for the Al-Zira image. I'll upload a new picture today and get you to double check my categories for it.Artemaz (talk) 16:26, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding Category:Maps of the Djinni's Claws and Category:Maps of Kalb Bahriy Sahr was a judgement call, so I can go either way. I guess I have changed my mind since then :) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 16:52, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats!
Congrats on finishing the kits project! ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:18, April 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Lhyn! It feels great. 1 down ... hundreds to go. ;) Artemaz (talk) 15:19, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Mountain Ranges
Locations are in mountain ranges, not on them. Please go back and undo your recent changes to such cases. They were correct the way they were. (Locations are on an individual mountain.) ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:57, April 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Great, what a waste of time. Artemaz (talk) 15:19, April 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, man. I went through every mountain and mountain range on this wiki as part of my mountain project, which is why I care. I already deleted the new categories and unmarked the old ones for deletion; it's just the cats. on the individual articles that need to be restored. Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:22, April 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's all good. Quick question about categories though: For instances like this were a preposition change in the title is needed (In vs On, etc) is there a way to simply change the category title instead of needing to make a new category and delete the old one? Artemaz (talk) 15:38, April 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, not that I know of. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:40, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Last Al-Qadim wizard spells
Hello! Going through core spells suitable for Al-Qadim I have noticed that after all the specifically Zakharan spells you have already created, that a few are still missing: The ones from Secrets of the Lamp. Just saying... :-). Daranios (talk) 17:00, May 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oops, good catch! Our work is never done, huh? :) Artemaz (talk) 18:14, May 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * Looks like it :-)! Just found that there are also four priest spells from Ruined Kingdoms remaining. And I will go about Create crypt servant, which is in City of Delights' Monstrous Compendium pages. Daranios (talk) 18:39, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Ulgarth?
Are you doing Ulgarth? I took a bunch of notes on the place, and had half a mind to write them up, but obviously I have too many projects as it is. :) I look forward to seeing your work, and I might have a bit more to add. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:20, May 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't want to "steal" Ulgarth from you if you really wanted to jump on it, but I'd be more than happy to flesh it out more so you can add your notes in later if your project list is nice and full. :) As it is, the Ulgarth page looks pretty good so far, but it looks like most of it is unreferenced. I'll see what my The Shining South (1993) book has to add.Artemaz (talk) 14:23, May 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries, as far as my realm projects go, the last of the Vast, Koryo, and the Utter East quite fill up my plate and will take precedence. And you do such good and swift work anyway. :)


 * Thanks! I guess I will see you in Ulgarth where the Shining South and Utter East collide. ;) Artemaz (talk) 14:41, May 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Considering the potential warfare and barbarian hordes, that may be literal. :) Anyway, your work here would make mine easier, and a developed Ulgarth supports my Utter East project nicely. I may do a few things I've found interesting, like Sinveri Trollkin, or especially obscure, like Thommar (which I did a while ago when I started the Utter East; it's not exactly in Ulgarth or Durpar, but sits unmapped in the middle). I should also do the very nebulous barbarians east of Ulgarth, which also threaten the Utter East, when I decide how. A tribe? A land? They're viking-like Northmen who've taken to horse-riding tribalism, it seems. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:11, May 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's great seeing these obscure lands being populated with pages and lore. Keep up the great work! Artemaz (talk) 12:47, May 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * You too! I have to admit, these obscure lands tend to be much easier than those that have had a half-dozen sourcebooks and are dense with lore. I can spend as much time on a sparsely detailed land like Koryo as I did on just a dense western city like Procampur. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:55, May 27, 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree completely. Those big pages can be a bit overwhelming even when just deciding where to start. As with my Huzuz project, I find it easiest to attack it in chunks, take a break with something else, and return revitalized. Artemaz (talk) 13:14, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Section breaks
Hi Artemaz. I noticed you've started using smaller === section breaks in your articles. Is there a reason for that, or is just an error? The larger == section break is kind of the universal standard now.

Also, please make sure you catch the curly or slanted apostrophes in your writing. — BadCatMan (talk) 07:36, June 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * The smaller section breaks was a copy/paste error on my part from the Winged cat page. Sorry about those. I'll watch for those apostrophes. When making my monster pages I do them in Word and then just upload them to the wiki, but Word uses the wrong apostrophe, so I'll edit those when I copy the content here. Artemaz (talk) 13:10, June 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * I do the same. There's an option in Word to set it so the apostrophes come out plain, which is very useful. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:12, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

A Few Points Re: Creature Articles

 * Please use the full infobox with creature articles.
 * Please do not use the deprecated, non-edition-specific,  , and   fields. Use the edition-specific ones.
 * Please do not give 2e monsters a type or use type categories for such monsters. Type is not really a thing until 3e. For example, an island giant is not a monstrous humanoid as far as categories are concerned. An island giant is not even a giant as far as types are concerned, unless the monster was updated to 3e rules or later.
 * Please use the  and   fields in the infobox instead of manually adding the categories yourself.

Thanks! And keep up the always good work!

~ Lhynard (talk) 15:50, June 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Oops, I didn't even realize I was using a shortened creature infobox. Sorry about that one! Using the full infobox will address most of those other issues you mentioned, and I'll do the others as well. Artemaz (talk) 16:06, June 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! FWIW, I just edited the template doc. to simplify the standard infobox fields a bit. I removed type2e and subtype2e as standard options. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:13, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

"Unique"
Hey, Art,

I've noticed that a lot of your articles start with a sort of "form letter" feel that states something like "Foo was a unique bar from Zakhara." I'd like to see fewer such opening statements for several reasons.

A) Rarely ever is something truly unique to a particular region. Your articles, while always very well-done as is, (thank you!) are often incomplete, because you tend to use a single sourcebook initially, (which is fine.) This means that you are often unaware that a topic is also covered in non-Al-Qadim sourcebooks.

B) An opening/lead sentence is supposed to define a topic. That statement does not define the topic; instead, it tells us (sometimes erroneously) about the region where the topic is relevant.

C) The "form letter" feel. I know that you can write some really creative sentences; it would be great for that creativity to shine in the first sentence that one reads when they look at an article.

As usual, I am only being picky because you are such a great article-writer as a whole.

~ Lhynard (talk) 16:09, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, picky-pickerson. Kidding of course. :)


 * A/B) I'll watch for those "unique" sentences unless it's something I know is truly unique ... such as a building found only in Huzuz for example.


 * C) I can definitely get more creative with the opening sentence. If I remember correctly I started out doing that, but I was a little messed up on my actual subject placement within the sentence (which I have since gotten the hang of), so I began making simple sentences and it became a habit.


 * Thanks for the tips! Artemaz (talk) 16:44, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * I see that you've stopped using the word "unique", which is a plus, but your spell article lead sentences still don't tell me anything about the spells themselves and all read almost exactly the same. :p ~ Lhynard (talk) 05:26, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * I know. A lot of those spells had literally 2 paragraphs on info and little else to distinguish themselves. I spiced up my latest entry though: Summon sha'ir. Artemaz (talk) 13:27, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Nice. Great spell, too. I wish I could figure out a way to slip that one into my campaign.&hellip; ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:38, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

20,000
congrats! ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:08, June 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! What is the difference between the edit counts? The number by my avatar image says 19968, but the number within my userbox says 20064. Artemaz (talk) 12:57, June 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * That is an unsolved mystery. Congrats! :) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:22, June 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm, now that you mention it, I do remember Robert Stack doing an episode about this. :D Artemaz (talk) 14:24, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Thank you for a warm welcome! It's nice to find someone with simlar interests, both D&D and TES.The Lusty Dovahkiin (talk) 11:46, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

Creature Infobox Updates
Three things:
 * 1) Thanks for working on infobox updates!
 * 2) Consider using this page to track your progress: Creature Infobox and Categorization Updates
 * 3) Please do not add categories for creature environments. Instead, use the   and   fields within the infobox. Thanks!

~ Lhynard (talk) 11:46, September 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Will do. I think on one of the pages it did not automatically add the category when I added "underground" to the terrain type. Any idea why? Artemaz (talk) 13:04, September 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd need to see the specific case to figure that out, I think. ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:39, September 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hmm I thought it was aboleth but it looks like I was mistaken from looking at the edit history.Artemaz (talk) 14:02, September 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Aboleth was missing the terrain parameter, so I added it and deleted the superfluous category. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:28, September 16, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks Movie! Artemaz (talk) 14:59, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

Thumbs Up!
Just wanted to let you know that I like the Zakharan instruments, magical sands and especially Land of the Yak-Men articles a lot. I am very happy to see this Dragon material covered here! Daranios (talk) 19:44, October 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you are enjoying them. Those Dragon articles add some nice bits of spice to the Al-Qadim setting. More coming! :) Artemaz (talk) 21:14, October 20, 2016 (UTC)

2e Creature Edits
Please note the fixes I made to your 2e creature edits. If you are going through 2e monsters, please make sure to add their activity cycle, diet, climate, and terrain. Put their height in the proper field. Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:00, December 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! Artemaz (talk) 15:16, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

Duchy Naming
So, bad news, but we decided when I was adding duchies for Tethyr that we would not have titles for articles like Duchy of Foo, but rather simply Foo. ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:23, March 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * Argh. I'll rename/recategorize what I've done for the Bloodstone Lands. Artemaz (talk) 20:45, March 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. Sorry! ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:54, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Slack
Hey, not sure if you're interested, but I'm hoping to set up a bit more of a community feel around the wiki moving forwards, so I've set up a Slack group. Unfortunately it needs email addresses to invite people, so I've set up a form to anonymously collect them. If you are interested, would be great if you can fill out https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfoVCqUNSPCKTp77IxhwMDyIQ4UGVoB1AP0MM15agNUZsU94Q/viewform and leave your email so that I can send an invite! Fw190a8 (talk &middot; contr) 09:46, July 8, 2017 (UTC)


 * Joooiiin uusss... &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:38, July 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * I submitted my email from the link above but haven't seen anything yet. Artemaz (talk) 01:08, July 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Check your Spam folder, it says FW sent you an invite on the 8th of July. If nothing, ask here for another invite.&mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:16, July 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Just joined Slack, but honestly I'm not sure how much I'm going to use it. Seems more convenient just to post messages here. Artemaz (talk) 11:32, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Efreetikin
Hello there! I just had another look at the efreetikin and have seen that, breaking with the magic tradition, it is called fire gen, not flame gen in Monstrous Compendium Al-Qadim Appendix. I have changed that accordingly. Do you know if the "Return of the Sha'ir" article from Dragon magazine 315 or any other source calls it flame gen? Then I would put that name back in. Thanks for your help! Daranios (talk) 20:20, February 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks like the last page of the "Return of the Sha'ir" article refers to them as fire gen. Artemaz (talk) 12:34, February 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I could have found myself that the Monstrous Compendium Al-Qadim Appendix itself uses both terms (though I suspect more through sloppyness than intention), but with your input I had one more source. I have added both names to the article now. Daranios (talk) 19:17, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome Back
I've been excited to see you making edits again here. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:13, November 24, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks buddy! Feels great to be back. Hey quick question: I noticed that it appears that by default the source edit pages are adding spaces usually between the DEFSORT/Infobox sections and sometimes between the Infobox and main text body. I've deleted the spaces a few times but they seem to reappear. Any idea what's going on? Artemaz (talk) 18:46, November 24, 2018 (UTC)


 * No idea; sorry! ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:40, November 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * Also a belated welcome back from my side! Great to see more light shed on Zakhara and more. Daranios (talk) 20:57, November 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Daranios! I'm prepping to dive deep into the Ruined Kingdoms. :) Artemaz (talk) 22:09, November 29, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sweet! As I see you have already covered some features of Sahu, maybe you are also interested in expanding the Vishap's Spine from a redirect into a full article? Anyways, I wanted to let you know I have (re)started a discussion about handling Category:Southern magic spells and would be interested to hear your opinion. Thanks! Daranios (talk) 19:28, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

Dating The Complete Book of Necromancers
Hello Artemaz! Way to go, I see you have taken on Vermissa and Kazerabet, which I always found interesting characters. I have made an official topic out of the differences between Kazerabet in Cities of Bone and The Complete Book of Necromancers and the resulting dating problem here. Just in case you are interested to give your opinion. Thanks a lot! Daranios (talk) 20:13, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

Welcome Back!
Whoa! a new page from Artemas. Welcome back! ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:28, February 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Ha ha thanks buddy! Wow I'm RUSTY! :) Artemaz (talk) 21:30, February 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * To second Lhynard, it's nice to see your edits again sir! Ruf (talk) 17:41, March 6, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks man! Been way too long. Feels great to be back. Artemaz (talk) 17:54, March 6, 2020 (UTC)

Thank You
Just wanted to thank you for adding the spells from the Seven Sisters book! --Regis87 (talk) 18:08, April 14, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks buddy! I couldn't believe the vast majority of those spells weren't uploaded yet so had to tackle it. Getting close to the end now. :) Artemaz (talk) 19:00, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

Halruaa
Hey bud, just want to say I appreciate you giving some much-needed love to the realm of Halruaa! I did a mini-project there a couple years but feel I didn't do it justice. If you see any reason to heavily rewrite any of the articles I made PLEASE feel free!

I'm looking forward to read your other adds (as per usual!). Hop on the Slack if you ever feel so inclined. Ruf (talk) 16:45, April 21, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks man! Yeah I dove into Halruaa a bit when going through the original Shining South sourcebook and hope to flesh it out a bit more beginning with the geographical features. Artemaz (talk) 16:49, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

Hama
Hi, Artemaz,

I seek a Zakharan expert. What do you know about hama and any other Zakharan beliefs about the afterlife? Are hama mentioned in any other sources besides the Monstrous Compendium Al-Qadim Appendix?

~ Lhynard (talk) 07:49, May 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * Greetings! I haven't read through all of the adventure books that came with the Al-Qadim box sets yet, but so far I've only seen them mentioned in the MC pages used to make the Hama article. Artemaz (talk) 11:56, May 1, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. According to our Midani dictionary, its a general term for the spirit, so there's that too. I'll expand that angle more in my article. ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:20, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Race Categories
Hi, Artemaz,

FYI, only a character's most specific race gets a category.

~ Lhynard (talk) 23:19, May 7, 2020 (UTC)


 * Ahh gotcha. So just artist genie for Akmed. Artemaz (talk) 23:23, May 7, 2020 (UTC)\


 * right, exactly ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:44, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

Harrowdale
Hiya Artemaz! I noticed you're making some articles related to "Harrowdale (town)". I wasn't sure if you saw, but we have the New Velar article that covers the history of the town before the name change. I wasn't sure if you plan on making a redirect or writing a new article to differentiate the two.

I don't know how we can handle double categories (Inhabitants of New Velar/Harrowdale (town) for example) for the infobox of a single location/page. I believe a few people were discussing it on the Slack page.Ruf (talk) 18:08, May 9, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up as I would have missed that. Super annoying how some things are renamed in the Realms between editions. The articles I'll be making use the "Harrowdale" name for the town so I'll use that name in the article but add a redirect to New Velar. Artemaz (talk) 18:40, May 9, 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate Article
I think you just wrote a duplicate of the Immithra Shrae article. I just glanced at it, but it seems to be the same person. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 03:00, May 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Looks like it. FML Artemaz (talk) 03:10, May 18, 2020 (UTC)

Naming Convention
Hiya bud. I just wanted to point you in the direction of a new naming convention the wiki has taken with regards to city districts and quarters.

If you look at Waterdeep/Field Ward or Baldur's Gate/Brampton you can get an idea of what we are going for.

I just took a glance at Old Phlan and I think it’s a similar case but I’m on mobile right now and not 100% sure. If you think it’s right for this article the name change would be Phlan/Old Phlan. Hopefully this helps if there are other city quarters to cover. Ruf (talk) 20:19, May 26, 2020 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, thanks! I remembered that for some other pages I made for Hillsfar but totally forgot for the pair of pages for Phlan. I'll rename them. Artemaz (talk) 23:36, May 26, 2020 (UTC)

Def. Sorts
Hi, Artemaz,

Don't forget to add s to the "Works by&hellip;" categories that you just added in bulk.

Also, it's good to see you back to editing again!

~ Lhynard (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Roger that. On a side note I was wondering why so many of those "Works by ..." categories hadn't been created yet since most of them were already tagged on the article page. Artemaz (talk) 14:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Great question; I have no idea. We used to have User:Darkwynters to catch such things for us, but he's been busy with life, I think. It's possible that someone had a plan for those cats. and got distracted with another project. In any case, thanks for adding them. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I was just worried maybe it wasn't a category that was supposed to be made since usually when I find "bulk" things like that there's a reason they haven't been done yet. Artemaz (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It's possible that there is a reason that it wasn't made. But if that is the case, we can then just use a bot to fix all of them at once, so I see no harm in it. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Linking Demon Lords
Hey, How am I meant to link demon lords any further to the Forgotten Realms? They are associated with the Abyss, and there are other demon lords with pages that aren't tagged as having 'no clear connection'.


 * Greetings and welcome to the Forgotten Realms Wiki! For a creature or character that comes from another plane of existence (such as the Abyss) to have an article on this wiki they need to be specifically mentioned in a sourcebook, novel, etc. as having a connection to the Forgotten Realms or Toril. The connection can be physical (they travelled to the Realms) or social (they interact with characters from the Realms while still in the Abyss). Artemaz (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I understand. So I shouldn't create pages for some of these demon lords, as they lack the proper references?


 * Correct, only create pages for demon lords that can be connected to the Realms. Artemaz (talk) 01:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * "They are associated with the Abyss, and there are other demon lords with pages that aren't tagged as having 'no clear connection'."


 * Please do tag them with  then! This wiki has literally tens of thousands of pages, so some may have slipped by our watch. ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * While the FRW focuses on the Realms, obviously, we have expanded to become a more general D&D wiki and have a lot of content for core D&D topics, including these demon lords. While it's not encouraged, we won't remove good, valid pages either. Who knows, Volisupula might be connected to the Realms in the future, or in some obscure source. So the Unrelated tag is more a notice to Realms fans that the page won't tell you anything about the Realms, and asking for a connection if one can be found, but not marking a page as faulty or invalid. BadCatMan (talk) 03:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Kits 2
Hello Artemaz! Nice to see you back in action in Zakhara. Just wanted to ask about the old class/kits discussion: I think the last status of the general discussion was to only give classes the distinction by level. Whatever you decide, I think it would be nice to have the class in addition to the kit, when you are adding Zakharan characters. What do you think? Daranios (talk) 12:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Totally forgot about the whole Class/Kit debacle for the Zakharan characters. Seems like Nasir el-Mamadin was the suggested way to go so I'll change the other characters I made recently. Artemaz (talk) 13:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Roads of the Vast
Hi Artemaz. The roads of the Vast have two names each, depending on the map. I've made articles for them already under the other names, so your new articles and categories seem to be duplicates. I forgot to add redirects for the other names, unfortunately. Hence I have to revert and merge these. I've merged Centaur Trail/Long Reach already. BadCatMan (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirects sure would have been nice. Artemaz (talk) 03:31, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Italics
Hi Artemaz! I don't think you need to add italics to most of those magic item names. Some are just descriptive, nicknames, or common names. Not all of them are even magical. Only magic items that would be written in italics in the sourcebooks should be written in italics in articles. Even artifacts tend not to get italics. So I reverted blue ice and drops fallen from the moon (two of mines). The others you did might need to be undone too. BadCatMan (talk) 12:25, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick Question
Hiya Artemaz, did you mean to redirect both Forest spirit and Wood man to one another? Ruf (talk) 15:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I was creating the "Forest spirit" page since that is what it's called at the top of the Spellbound MC page ... but then changed that page to Wood man since that is the predominant term used in the MC pages. So now the "Forest spirit" should just redirect to "wood man."Artemaz (talk) 15:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

You Rock
Just wanted to express my appreaciation for all the new articles you have been adding recently. 💞💞💞 --Regis87 (talk) 01:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Artemaz (talk) 02:05, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Editor of the Month - October 2021
[https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/This_Month_at_Fandom_-_October_2021 Congratulations! You are one of Fandom's Editors of the Month for October 2021!]

--MisterWoodhouse (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Artemaz! I've added you to the prestigious list of Editors of the Month of the Forgotten Realms Wiki. You're there alongside SunderedShor and Ruf! You also have a unique badge on your profile. Well done! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Ha ha awesome! Thanks so much. I'm zoning in having created 10% of the pages on this wiki. :) Artemaz (talk) 17:41, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * And as soon as the change passes review, you will see a tag at the top of your profile :) Congrats! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 20:45, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Sweet! Looks like it kicked in. :) Artemaz (talk) 21:11, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Bravo! 👏👏 This is highly deserved. Thanks you for you hard work! ❤️ --Regis87 (talk) 18:04, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks buddy! :) Artemaz (talk) 18:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Congratulations and applause also from my side! Daranios (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Daranios! I need to get back into making more pages for our beloved Zakhara. Artemaz (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! --SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Artemaz (talk) 18:52, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Congrats! It's been a long time in coming. :) ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Artemaz (talk) 20:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Well done and well earned! Your prolific creation of articles across so many areas really helped us to our current 40,000, and probably our new few thousand too. :) Keep it up! BadCatMan (talk) 00:44, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I do enjoy spreading the new pages around to a variety of areas. :) Artemaz (talk) 01:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Maps vs Illustrations
Maps are treated separately from illustrations and have their own category tree that starts at Category:Maps. Please do not categorize maps with "Image of", they should have "Maps of" categories only. I think I have renamed all the categories you just created and fixed the links, but feel free to check in case I missed any. Take a look at Category:Maps of the Moonshae Isles for examples and to prevent duplicate maps. Thanks! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Roger that. Artemaz (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Editor of the Year
Congratulations! You've been named Fandom's 2021 Editor of the Year for Gaming! Thank you for all your hard work and for going above and beyond for your wiki community :) --MisterWoodhouse (talk) 15:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Huzzah! ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Very well deserved. You have been unstoppable this year. Congratulations Artemaz! Ruf (talk) 16:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 17:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha ha that's awesome! Thanks so much guys! Artemaz (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Well done and well earned! Congrats! BadCatMan (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! --SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This is awesome. Amazing work. Well done! 👏👏 --Regis87 (talk) 00:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Well done, Artemaz! Very, very well deserved. I've awarded you with a new badge on your profile, and you're now the sole member of a new category! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 19:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sweet, thanks so much! Artemaz (talk) 19:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Al Qahera/Al Qahara
Hello, I noticed you've been changing the spelling from Al Qahera to Al Qahara in the articles I've been making. I was wondering, could we add a redirect from Al Qahera to Al Qahara instead? This book I'm using is very insistent on the Al Qahera spelling, rather than Al Qahara. I haven't done it yet because I'd been thinking that may mess with the automatic categories such as Inhabitants of Al Qahara, can I get your opinion? Stabbier (talk) 14:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you know if Al Qahera/Qahara is mentioned in any other sourcebooks?Artemaz (talk) 19:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sadly, it seems as though either exists in exactly one book: the FRCS 4e for Qahara, and Darkvision for Qahera. Stabbier (talk) 20:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Which instance (Qahera/Qahara) is used more in the one book?Artemaz (talk) 17:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Each book uses exactly one spelling, I'm afraid. Al Qahara is the only spelling in the FRCS, Al Qahera in Darkvision. On second consideration, we should give the later source more weight; both were by Bruce R. Cordell: he wrote both. It cannot be an error, it must've been deliberate- I can think of an obvious reason, though it would be speculation. What I've read of Al Qahera suggests that both Al Qahara and Al Qahera are the same place; I'll adapt articles as I go. Stabbier (talk) 23:36, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Quick Rashemaan Question
Great work you are doing on Immilmar. I'm so glad to see more attention being given to Rashemen as a whole. I was wondering, do you have plans to make organization pages for the various berserker clans? If so, may I ask that use the naming convention set up with White Dragon lodge, i.e. the name of the animal, followed by lodge in lowercase. There may be some instances where we have to set up disambiguation pages with location articles like Owlbear Berserker Lodge, but I'd be pleased to assist if that is the case. Ruf (talk) 15:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm currently going through the campaign guide for the Spellbound boxed set and adding any new pages I see for the Rashemen section. Hopefully there will be more berserker-related pages coming. I'll switch to the White Dragon lodge format beginning with the Owlbear lodge page.Artemaz (talk) 17:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Church categories
Hello. I noticed you created a category for members of the Church of Auril. We already have other similar categories for other churches, of course. I question the need for these, however. Faiths and Pantheons, p. 5, says "All followers of a specific deity are considered members of the faith, also known as the church, associated with that deity." Under this definition, "Members of the Church of Auril" would be identical to the category Worshipers of Auril, and having two categories for the same concept does not seem worthwhile. I propose we either make these whurch categories redirects to the appropriate worshiper categories, or just have the Organization infoboxes for church articles link directly to the corresponding worshiper category. What do you think? This is assuming the lore definition of "church" has not changed since Faiths and Pantheons. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems easiest to just do away with the "Members of the Church of ..." categories.Artemaz (talk) 21:13, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Specialty Priests
Great job with the additions from Warriors and Priests of the Realms - I always seem to overlook that source!. For the Year of Miracles project, I plan on filling out articles about Cyric, Shar (and perhaps Kelemvor). If you don't mind, I'd like to take a crack at writing up their specialty priest articles from that book and incorporating them into the project overall. All the best! Ruf (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I've already made the Sword of Cyric and Purifier pages but will skip the specialty priests of Kelemvor and Shar for you.Artemaz (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Worshipers of...
Hello,

regarding your recent revert of one of my edits with comment "Worshipers of Mystra" is for individuals. The "Worshipers of..." category was already assigned to some Waterdhavian houses, but was missing from others, so I took it upon myself to add the missing categories. If that's wrong, I'll take care of reverting that, no reason to waste your time. But while I'm at it, are there other categories that would make sense in that scenario? - WanderingKobold (talk) 16:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The correct category for organizations that worship mystra is "Mystran organizations". -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 17:03, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks! I'll take care of updating that for the various houses throughout the week.
 * [edit] Actually, would that be "Category:Organizations_of_Mystra" or is that yet something else? WanderingKobold (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Those categories are the same, but we haven't gotten to a consensus on the naming yet. "Mystran" would fit with the naming convention for other categories related to deities. Make sure to use the correct adjective for gods' organizations - most deities have them in the infobox, and there are already existing categories with the correct name, like "Mystran spells" and "Mystran items" for example. Also, gods' organization only applies to those with members all worshiping the same deity, so the category would not be appropriate for all families. - Artyom.pavlov (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What about when the adjective is unknown (for example for Valkur)? Fall back on "Organizations of..."? - WanderingKobold (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. Actually if you search for categories you'll see "Valkuryte items" cat already exists. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 17:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Moving categories
Hello. When moving categories, please make sure to update the articles in the old category so they point to the new one. Categoy:Helm's spells, for example, still has 6 pages in it. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:28, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I usually do but guess I missed that one. Artemaz (talk) 16:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Working Tag
Please do not edit pages that are being actively worked on. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Catjump Template
Heya Artemaz, I want to point out a new Category Jump template I made for religion-related categories. Feel free to use this and complete the appropriate fields when creating these categories.

You can see its usage here at the Lathanderian items category. Ruf (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, will do. Artemaz (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the Interactive Atlas
I seen no other way to reach out to you other than this talk page since you aren't on Slack. I have been wondering how you got your hands in the elusive Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas, as I had to write all my Waterdeep location articles without it. ~ SunderedShor (talk)
 * I actually got really lucky and scored a copy on Ebay for a ridiculously LOW price. :) Artemaz (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Request to DM
Greetings Art! I'm freeziepop the Community Manager of Gaming here at Fandom. I wanted to chat about a cool opportunity you are in mind for and was hoping we could DM on Discord or wherever you prefer, care to send me a Discord friend request? My profile is freeziepop#2776. Thank you! Bfreeziepop (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Greetings! Sure how about on Facebook? Artemaz (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * That works, can I just message your linked FB page? Bfreeziepop (talk) 16:29, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Absolutely. Artemaz (talk) 11:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi! I would like to follow up on this. Should I also message you on this FB page? Hypsoline (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. Artemaz (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Merge
Hi Artemaz, I would like to propose a merge of the recently created Cult of Tiamat article. The wiki already has a church of Tiamat article with the cult listen as an alternate name. I can handle this merge if agreed upon, unless you would like to tackle it. Let me know your thoughts! Ruf (talk) 13:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Go for it. So frustrating wasting time making pages like this when a simple redirect would have avoided it.Artemaz (talk) 20:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I would like to propose we merge additional "Hall of..." article that have been created in the past. All of these seem to be about single rooms in buildings. The information included within can be moved over to the building articles. Namely the Hall of Ashes, Hall of Audience, and Hall of Commanders. If we make individual articles for each notable room/chamber within larger buildings it could easily become unmanageable. Let me know your thoughts please. Ruf (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Unmanageable how? Artemaz (talk) 11:11, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for hearing out my elaboration. It would be unmanageable in scope, efficiency, organization, and ease-of-use.


 * The inclusion of articles about individual rooms would escalate the level of detail included in the wiki. If the information is too detailed to include in the building article, it may be too granular to include at all. Over the course of the wiki's history, we generally have included information about rooms within the building article.
 * Keeping information about individual rooms in each building article decreases overall workload. Some buildings and structures include hundreds of named rooms that would each warrant its own article. The Dungeon Level of Undermountain would require the creation of 20 separate articles for rooms alone, aside from individual buildings within its halls.
 * (As a side note, another editor Saya222 and I attempted to link every room in Undermountain during our project on that subject. Going into that level of detail was I believe the main reason we gave up on it.)
 * Going back to what has been standard practice, nearly all other building articles include the individual rooms within. Skondarr is a really good example of the level of detail that can be included in this manner.
 * Additionally, our current categorization setup is structured to go down to the building level, but not individual rooms. Including articles like Hall of Champions in Category: Halls is inaccurate, as that category is about specific buildings.
 * Including the information in building articles greater ease-of-use to readers. If someone wanted to learn all the lore about the Temple of Ubtao, they should be able to find it all in the article itself. Connecting with the first point, it would be more labor-intensive for them to navigate into sub-articles for more details, which may be too detailed to fall within the scope of the wiki. Ruf (talk) 11:31, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies

 * Please disregard the accidental rollback. My feed jumped and I hit the wrong link. Keep up the good work. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Citation Template
Hi bud. As a heads up, please specify the type of template when creating new citation templates such as Template:Cite dragon/295/Building a Better Rogue Trap. If you click the unclassified button, a dropdown menu will give you several options including (in this case) the citation/reference template.

Thank you for cleaning up all those much-needed citation red links. It's not the most glamorous work but helps a lot. Ruf (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * FYI there isa bug in this, even if you click the template type it still shows as unclassified after the citation is created. --Regis87 (talk) 14:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Category Bloat
Hi Artemaz. Several editors expressed concern over the excessive categories you've been adding. It seems that you created a lot of single-item categories for inhabitants and organizations. I believe the wiki standard is avoiding the creation of overly specific categories that have just a single item. For example, “Inhabitants of foo temple” doesn’t need to exist unless there are more than two individuals in it. Similarly, “Organizations in foo temple” that just includes a single entry - the church, is superfluous too. Please save yourself work and just leave such cats out. Otherwise - please continue your great work! -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Lol, whatever. Why is it bad to have "category bloat" when this wiki is bloated with pointless pages about soups, porridges, etc? Artemaz (talk) 11:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey Artemaz. It looks like you're still in the Slack group after all, so feel free to check back in. I wasn't a fan of it at first either, but it's been a lot quicker to just chat about small issues rather than cluttering Talk pages, and it's led to a lot of good ideas and developments, as well as camaraderie. You are a part of the team too. :) Just please leave the "lol, whatevers" and calling out work as pointless off the wiki entirely – that's not a helpful attitude.


 * On the categories, yeah, it's been common for a long time for to make categories like  even though there's only one known inhabitant of that building (unconfirmed if they even live or just work there) and only one article in that category. While it was fine before, some of us are starting to feel that's redundant and generating too many category pages and too many branches in the tree. We can probably start winding that approach back, by not making more, and in the future deleting the old ones. As Artie said, feel free to save yourself the work. Maybe we should have a formal discussion in the Forum?


 * And as for food pages – we like those food pages! Volo's Guides are full of whole recipes and they add good flavour to the Realms and to the wiki. There is a very low bar for notability and not being pointless here, and these are useful to DMs wanting some inspiration in some banquet and tavern scenes. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Overlinking
Hello! I noticed you've edited some of my recent articles to remove overlinking. I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that links in the initial blurb may be repeated in the rest of the article, so long as the body of the article only contains one of each? -ItalianKarsus (talk) 17:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)