Template talk:Deity list

This is a great template. We need more like this. Excellent job, Zerak! Fw190a8 20:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Once more, thank you. And yes, I want to do one for each racial pantheon as well, and then slap them all in a Deity article. We could make similar templates for the regions of Faerûn, and other things.. Zerak-Tul 03:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"Current" Year
While I understand that there is no "current" year on the wiki explain to me this. If we're going to include all major deities who have ever existed in the deity template why not include deities like Myrkul or Bhaal? While they were alive they were certainly important and powerful. It seems to me that while it is true that there is no "current" year the deity list, if meant to include all, shouldn't be split between just two eras.

Here's a proposed alternative. We create a template with the deity list of 1479 DR, a deity list of 1372 DR, a deity list of pre-ToT. This may make more sense than simply lumping them together into one template. I understand the desire for the "old" not to be swept away. I just see it as a bit hypocritical to give preference to deities just because they happened to be in 3rd edition.

Also, and more importantly so far as I see it - some deities on the list were never actually deities. Kossuth, Ubtao, and a few others are actually, as it turns out, primordials, and they always were. As such the template should reflect this given there is no "current" year. Niirfa-sa 18:29, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Valid points. I like the idea of different templates for the different eras.  And you're right, instead of "Pre-Spellplague" I should have put "Era of Upheaval", which would have been a bit more accurate.  I would recommend that we don't mention dates though (that we don't mention "1372 DR") and instead that we just mention ages, or eras, or some type of time range.  21:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * A good point about not mentioning dates as the "Era of Upheaval" has more than a few changes within its timeframe (Bane dies, is resurrected, etc as an example) so it might be better to just do a "flat" template for each designated era that ignores any changes within. Also, as an added suggestion, perhaps we should put the era templates that are most current on the pages of the deity in question. Otherwise it might get awfully crowded awfully fast (imagine, for instance, Corellon, who would probably have no fewer than three different era templates). However, if nobody thinks it'll be too much of an eyesore we could put all relevant templates up. Niirfa-sa 23:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I imagine you're thinking of three eras as following: before ToT, ToT to pre-Spellplague, and then post-Spellplague? I think that might be good, since those are (for the most part) seemingly the big changing points for divine being. Regarding Kossuth, it's true that he's an elemental divine being with a sphere of influence (FRCG, pg 80), but he's also worshipped as a deity (both canon in the past and also there's text to that effect in FRCG pg 78 as well)... so I don't know how to best classify him.  He apparently does have clerics that worship him, for instance, both in 3e and in 4e.  03:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Those three eras sounds good. As for Kossuth, having clerics never makes one an actual deity by default. Take, for instance, the table for worshipping demons in Faiths and Pantheons or the very fact that both the 4e core rulebooks (primarily the DMG) and the new FRCG establishes that primordials can be worshipped. He's not a god - but oddly enough that doesn't mean he can't grant divine powers through worship. I have a few theories regarding that (including the nature of Ao) but this isn't the place for them. So let's just leave it at the fact that he's a primordial sometimes mistaken for a god (along with Akadi, Ubtao, and the like). Niirfa-sa 07:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I fully agree with your statement that Primoridals are neither "Greater Gods" nor "Gods" in the 4e terminology. I'm honestly more interested in the end-result, and not so much in the game mechanics.  What I'm not fully sure about yet is whether some of the Primordials have "crosssed" over and become gods, like Ubtao for instance (though in his case I'm clearly speaking of the pre-Spellplague era -- I suspect Ubtao is one of the "Lost Gods" in the post-Spellplague era).  In other words their origin was as a Primordial, but have they effectively  'ascended'  to godhood with the tacit agreement of Ao. There does appear to be some difference between Kossuth and the other 4 worshiped Primordials, compared to say the other (unnamed) Primordials that were shunted to Abeir.  15:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Moved?
In the revision history of this article it mentions "removing pre-Spellplague deities (moved to separate template, per discussion)". What is the pre-Spellplague template that it was moved to? 21:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Template:EoU deity list for the Era of Upheaval (i.e., pre-Spellplague) and Template:AoH deity list for the Age of Humanity (pre-Time of Troubles). Niirfa-sa 22:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks! 23:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

New Format
I went ahead and used a new 4ed style template, using collapsible lists. I'm not necessarily wedded to the new format, so if anyone has objections please let me know.

A couple of other changes: the name of this template is generic, so I decided to include all Ages/Eras. Also, we still need to add the Exarchs of the Post-Spellague Age (and demi-gods for the EoH?). Finally, I decided to use the terminology for the different deity power levels based on what the readership for that era would be familiar with. In other words, I used 2e/3e terminology for the EoH, and I used 4e terminology for the Post-Spellplague Age. Perhaps this reflects how the priests and clerics of Faerûn have changed their own usage of the terminology as well, who knows? :) 23:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)