Talk:Xanathar (title)

Has this article been split properly yet? ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:09, March 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * The article has been split (into Kirukeskai), but still requires a rewrite to focus on the title/office rather than a specific beholder. I will remove the tag. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 19:15, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Pronouns
Beholders do not have gender, so why is the listed gender male and male pronouns used all over? Also, the pronouns should be consistent.
 * You're conflating sex and gender. Furthermore, Xanathar is referred to as "he" in source materials. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 03:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess the pronouns might be good, but that would mean that these beholders are transgender and the sex would still be none, which is explicitly said on the beholder page.


 * Artie is correct. Sex and gender are not the same thing. We are following the source material. Xanathar is a he, even though he doesn't have male sex organs&mdash;no beholders do.


 * And no, Xanather is not trans. Beholders aren't sexual creatures at all, and he didn't transition from anything.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * &hellip;But our categorized were wrong, and I just fixed that. ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Regarding Xanathar, it's a title and this page is dedicated to it as a group. The original Xanathar was using male pronouns, as well as the 14th century Xanathar. The 15th century Xanatar, however, is referred to as it in the books. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 03:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you fix that, Artie? I don't know the history enough.


 * And if this is a title, it should not have a Person infobox at all!


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * No pressure. I just tagged it for cleanup. ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Correction, this page is supposed to be for the 14th century Xanathar (after looking through it), which means it needs to be cleaned of all 5e lore and the 5e pic. And yes, that one is male. Think we need to rename the page to make it more clear, rather than have 3 pages named Xanathar. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 03:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Kirukeskai, maybe? ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I definitely admit that I jumped in with something I didn't have authority on, but someone is trans when their gender identity does not match their biological sex. Since beholders have no sex, that means that having a gender identity other than non-binary makes a beholder trans.


 * Not everyone agrees with that definition at all. We use a very precise definition here on this wiki for sex and gender, and a modern term like trans is only confusing here. It's enough to say that his sex is none and his gender is masculine.


 * In any case, this whole article is problematic, because there are many Xanathars, and they have different genders.


 * Thank you for commenting on the Talk page and not just making your changes without doing so!


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 03:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)