Category talk:Planes of existence

Categorization
Okay... I went a little crazy... I have wanted to organize the Planes Inhabitants, Locations, etc. for a long time. I know Admin Movie is a pro with the Planes, so please check out my organizations starting with Category:Inhabitants of the Planes and see if I have the correct order... I have not problem with deleting or changing my categories, but I want to have a nice system, like the Category:Inhabitants of Toril and Category:Locations on Toril... with all the nice category jumps and such :) So check it over and tell me what you think... even if it is bad. - Darkwynters (talk) 17:56, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * At the moment, Category:Inhabitants by plane of existence and Category:Inhabitants of the Planes fulfill more or less the same function, so we should put them together in my opinion. To get the system working similar to Category:Inhabitants of Toril, etc. we could have Category:Planes of existence parallel to Category:Inhabitants by plane of existence. And then down -> Category:Great Wheel planes/Category:Inhabitants of the Great Wheel -> Category:Outer Planes/Category:Inhabitants of the Outer Planes -> Category:Locations in the Abyss/Category:Inhabitants of the Abyss.
 * Similarly, Category:Planes of existence is nearly identical in function to Category:Locations by plane of existence. I personally would keep Category:Planes of existence and drop the Locations... (as outlined above). But in any case, in my opinion those two should be merged. Daranios (talk) 18:50, February 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply, I got distracted and forgot to get back to this. First thing is the Astral Sea is a 4th edition (World Axis) concept related to the Spellplague. Before that it was just the Astral Plane, so I would make a new category for the World Tree and Great Wheel versions to say Astral Plane. Second, the Inner Planes and Elemental Planes can be considered synonymous in the Great Wheel and World Tree cosmologies, see the disambiguation page. Therefore you don't have to put "Elemental" inside "Inner" unless you want to create an Energy planes category and limit Elemental to being just the four elements. Third, in the Great Wheel model, the Outlands is one of the 17 Outer Planes, so it should be a child of "Outer Planes" and not a sibling. Fourth, the Demonweb Pits should be a child of the Abyss in the Great Wheel, a child of the Astral Plane in the World Tree (which you have), and a child of the Astral Sea in the World Axis. I think this will fix itself if you make the Astral Plane cat as described above. Finally, your Elemental Chaos category should go under World Axis, and I agree with Eli (below) about putting primordials/former gods in both categories, and the renaming of the categories as stated by Daranios (also below). &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:00, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Awesome response, Movie. Please check under the parent category: Category:Inhabitants of the Planes and see if I correctly made your suggestions. Thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:42, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Movie, is there anyway you could use your tech mastery to add an Inhabitants, Locations, Settlements, and Organizations section to the Plane template... actually, now that I am thinking about it... could we add an Items, Food and drink, and Events section to the Location template... Remember, these are just ideas... if they stink, just let me know and I will fix all my categories to how everyone wants them :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:58, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ohh. In this case, would it also make sense to include Deities (and maybe for 4th Edition Primordials), as we have now started doing them "by home plane"? Might also be interesteing for the category jumps for planes. Daranios (talk) 18:34, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can do that. Not sure about Deities and Primordials...are these not already covered by Inhabitants? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 20:42, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was always a bit fuzzy if deities count under inhabitants or not (and where that fits into the category tree). Some deities have the category "Inhabitants of...", but using that only would invalidate Category:Deities by homeplane. But just putting "Category:Deities from xy" into "Category:Inhabitants from xy", hm, why not? Daranios (talk) 12:38, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

By edition?
I stumbled upon another difficulty with the primordials: At the moment Grumbar for example is in Category:Primordials from the Elemental Plane of Earth. That, I think, is a mixture of 2nd and 4th edition. It should, in my opinion, be Category:Primordials from the Elemental Chaos. Can anyone move/delete Category:Primordials from the Elemental Plane of Earth and Category:Primordials from the Elemental Plane of Water? Also, in 4th Edition Grumbar and the like have been retconned to be primordials, not deities. I would still like to keep the deity categories that fit to the descriptions from 2nd Edition, to treat all editions equally. Any objections? Daranios (talk) 20:26, March 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't Grumbar simply be in both categories if we are aiming for an edition-inclusive wikia? Same way an individual could be in the Netheril and Anauroch regions at different time periods. I understand the Elemental Chaos is different from the Elemental Plane of Earth. What do you think?--Eli the Tanner (talk) 00:56, March 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, putting Grumbar in both categories was also exactly what wanted, I just did not express it clearly. Daranios (talk) 18:18, March 3, 2014 (UTC)