Template talk:Spell

5e
Wanted to start adding the 5e spells to remember them better, but then I see that the Spell template have no 5e. Is there any way for me to make this or does any one else know how to? Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated 14:36, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Are you sure you looked closely enough? The template has keywords5e, level5e, type5e, and refs5e parameters, which were based on the 4e spell descriptions. If 5th ed. has added/changed stuff to spell descriptions or put back things that were taken out (like school), then let me know and I can add them. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 16:15, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh sorry! I didn't see it, sorry. Sell It seams like School has returned "The Schools of Magic" "Aid 2nd level Abjuration"

Spells have these parameters that I can tell: School - Casting Time - Range - Components - Duration. Some have "At higher levels" in the descriptions and that doesn't seam like it goes to the info box, as it discibes things like well use it in a spell slot higher and its fires one more magic missile. oohhh Bigby's Hand :D! Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated 21:47, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll add a school5e parameter when I get the chance. Can you tell me if the spells have descriptors, like "Acid", "Fire", "Evil", "Mind-Control", and things like those used in 3rd and 4th edition? &mdash;23:42, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm do tn think so look here these are the spells from the Starter set and they look the same in the players handbook... I dont think there is any thing like that... If i look at Magic missile its 1st level evocation - Casting time 1 action - Range 120 feet - Components V, S - Duration: Instantanius... There is a (Ritual) thing next to "Magic Mouth" (like Augrury in the image) i guess some have "Evocation Cantrip" or "Necromanc Cantrip" So my guess is that its "(Ritual)" and "Cantrip" Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  09:21, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Is there anything about how often you can cast spells? Do you see anything that says "daily", "encounter" or "at-will" like in 4th edition? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:17, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and one more thing, are spells limited by class? I assume they are, but is there a list of cleric spells for example? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:43, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late answer, ok well Clerics, Wizards and Druids prepare there spells while bards and sorcerers get a sort a "Quota" witch I think is the 3,5 way of things right? Also Cantrip are effectively level 0 spells that can be cast any number of times, Rituals seam to be spells that can be cast in 10 minutes and does not empty out the spell slot. Further more, now the system for spells seam to be like a "Spell" and "Empowered Spell" basis where: Think of it as pegs, 1 to 9, a level 1 peg is the smallest while level 9 is the biggest. The Level one spell can occupy "a hole" for a level 2 spell and thus is "At higher levels" while a level 2 cant occupy a Level 1 spell slot.
 * I'm guessing that "Cantrip" is a "At-will type power" (Not every one has Cantrips) and the rest are back to the old prepare spell basic.


 * Note: Some spell have special action requirements like a "Bonus Action" or being a "Reaction" or even "Long Casting time". Now that I read the classes it seams like its like in BG you prepare the spell and its in you Spell book and you use the spell and its still there in the book and you regain it with meditation but you can only change you prepared spells "After a long rest"? And sorcerers work the same way apparently they regain there expanded spell slots after a long rest. I'm still a bit confused about the system, but people can cast spells like a level 1 spell in a level 2 slot... as long as the spell is prepared, I will need to reread this. Did I answer the question :S?


 * The spells lists also seam to back to the 3e way... or a Pathfinder type thing. There is are list of all spell casting classes from Cantrip to 9. They look like this But bigger.  Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  17:54, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Did I make things worse :(? Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  12:54, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hehe, you didn't make things worse, that's all WotC. Okay, so Rituals are different from normal spells somehow. That's fine, since it was the same way in 4th edition. I see one ritual on that first image you linked, and it says casting time is 1 minute. All the others are 1 action. If this is strictly casting time, we can probably ignore it, since we have not listed casting time up to this point. However, if this is related to the At-Will, Encounter, and Daily spell types from 4th edition, then I may have to modify the template somehow. Level 0 is fine for cantrips, I think we already have some of those. When you say spellcasters regain their spells after a long rest, does that mean that they have gone back to the Vancian way of casting spells? Once you cast a spell, it is gone until you have time to pray/study/meditate and get it back? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:12, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hehe alright, rituals seam to not to be expanded when cast as rituals (Can take up to days apparently). Hmm seams like they memorize the spells and regain them after a long rest, the re-memorize the spells they need 1 minute per spell level So I guess its the same you have the same type of list from Pathfinder (So, 3e?) with how many 1-9 spells you get per level + class mod. So you pick the spells then rest to get them back and then special act like pray/study/meditate to get them back. Unless your like a sorcerer or something. But yeah, unless I'm wrong about the system that seams to be right! Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  21:16, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry totally forgot I should put "Vacian" on the 5e type?   Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated  15:47, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * If you have to prepare your spells ahead of time, forget them as soon as you use them, and have to rest/sleep/meditate/study/pray to get new spells, then yes, please mark them as Vancian. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 01:58, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Monk spells
The monk class in 5th edition (the monastic traditions are the Way of the Four Elements, Way of Shadow and Way of the Open Hand) is also able to cast a limited number of spells, such as fireball, gust of wind, cone of cold and so on for Four Elements; sanctuary and Astral projection for Open Hand; and darkness, darkvision, pass without trace and so on for Shadow. Does this justify adding another field to the template, such as tradition5e, like the ones for domain, oath, circle, path etc.? Sirwhiteout (talk) 20:56, December 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably. I'll look into it. Thanks! &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:15, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ritual and concentration descriptors
There are two important descriptors in 5e spells related to their casting and duration. Ritual means that the spell can be cast as a ritual, not spending a spell slot and by taking 10 minutes longer than the usual casting time. Concentration means that the caster needs to remain actively concentrating on the spell to keep it in effect (in game terms, the caster may not cast another spell that has the concentration tag, but still may cast other spells normally, and needs to succeed on a concentration check if he/she takes damage). Could these parameters be introduced in the infobox (like, say, concentration=yes and ritual=yes or something to that effect)? Or would this make it too crunchy? Sirwhiteout (talk) 02:01, March 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * Rituals should use the Ritual template, which is a pass-through to this one but causes the formatting to be different and adds "Ritual" to the infobox. As for concentration, lots of spells in most editions require concentration, so we just put that as part of the description of the spell, rather than call it out in the infobox. Other editions don't have a tag for it, but if there is consensus, I can add one for 5e. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 12:49, March 23, 2017 (UTC)

Edition Tabbox
This may already be on your to-do list Moviesign but implementing a tabber on this infobox for the different editions would be great. I've looked at the mark-up myself and unfortunatly it is a little beyond me. I could probably get the hang of it within a few days.

What I'm saying is; Can you quickly implement the tabber feature or should I play around with it and implement it over the next few days? -Thomas Love http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/jackass/images/5/5f/Star_tiny.png [ talk ] 16:29, October 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not in favor of a tabber for this infobox because the text descriptions are usually closely tied to the editions (meaning I don't want to have to click a tab to see what the text is talking about as it bounces between editions) and I like seeing the comparison of all editions at once (the colors of the descriptors are a great visual). If people feel strongly about it then the we should put it to a vote.


 * Another problem is that Wikia has not yet released their support for tabbers and slideshows in the new portable infoboxes, so I'm holding off converting the infoboxes that already use tabber until they do. I'm going to convert this one because it doesn't use tabber. We can add it later if there is a consensus, but this will be one of the more difficult infoboxes to convert. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 17:01, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

type4e
This parameter currently adds text at the very top of the infobox unless the field  is specified (and thus overrides it). I think this behavior should be changed so that  does not add the text at all. Most 5e spells are neither cantrip, ritual, or channel divinity, and so the 4e infobox styling is present on a wide array of spell articles, even spells that exist in 5e, because nothing overrides the  parameter. It's a bit jarring, and I don't see why the "type" information for 4e can't just be contained to the 4e stats portion of the infobox. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 00:43, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No one seems to have any counter arguments, so I will remove that section of the infobox. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:02, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2022 (UTC)