Talk:Selvetarm

In the novel Condemnation Selvetarm appears "clutch[ing] an armory of swords and maces in its six thickly muscled arms, and each of its chitinous legs ended in a vicious pincerlike claw. [His] face, perversely enough, was that of a handsome drow male." (chapter 20) should this multi-armed bipedal form be mentioned? Doonval ti bekk&#39;har (talk) 02:12, August 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, that would go under Manifestations. Feel free to try putting it in. — BadCatMan (talk) 11:37, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Question
About the scene, where it is discovered, that Lolth organized Selvetarm's death. What part about it, actually left doubt, that she actually did so? Saya222 (talk) 16:30, March 26, 2017 (UTC)


 * To me it seemed more that Lolth was willing to sacrifice Selvetarm, than actually wanting to lose him. Supposedly, by losing Selvetarm she took a big risk, because she wanted to let Eilistraee take her other adversaries, but it was indeed a big risk.
 * In my opinion, keeping Selvetarm alive would have been more dangerous than dead. His followers were rebellious in “Sacrifice of the Widow“. They were filling their ranks, casually killed Lolth’s priestesses and maintained cordial relationships with right-wing members of Vhaeraun’s church, if not with Selvetarm’s support at least with his tolerance, keeping the grandson alive would have been like keeping a plateworm in her stomach. After all, Lolth was really happy over Selvetarm’s followers not only “coming back“ but asking to be allowed to come back to her.

She couldn't know, for example, that Eilistraee would have defeated Vhaeraun (odds are actually against Eilistraee in such a conflict), she only later learned about Vhaeraun's plan, and she couldn't have known that Eilistraee wouldn't have tried to save Selvetarm (if Finder can resist Moander's corruption, then Selvetarm can be freed from Zanassu in theory).
 * Out of Corellon’s three children, Vhaeraun is probably the one who inherited the least from him. Part of the charme playing one of his follower is, that the god is so weak, enough to lose against his son who couldn’t even maintain a steady church. Furthermore, a god fighting on its own terrain is at a huge advantage, that was why it was deemed a given, that Eilistraee would win a frontal fight, and the necessity of Qilue’s warning, as well why Eilistraee’s propaganda machinery claimed Eilistraee fought on Ellaniath and not on Arvandor. The information flow from Malvag to Qilue was Halisstra captured Malvag, dangled him before Cavatina, Cavatina killed him, freed the soul he stored, said soul was revived, and Qilue learned the information was able to warn Eilistraee, while Halisstra was capable of buying Cavatina’s and Qilue’s trust.

Besides, Vhaeraun--given his character as described in DD--wouldn't be likely to charge headstrong into Arvandor trying to kill his sister; he is actually more likely to propose a temporary cooperation to her to defeat Lolth (in DD it is said that he is very well capable of putting hostilities aside when it comes to kill his mother), and IMO things would have gone like that, if Lisa Smedman and Phil Athans had respected even a little the actual lore of the characters. So, she would have found not only Eilistraee, but Eilistraee+Vhaeraun against her. It was indeed just a huge risk taken by Lolth, and then she claimed that things went as intended. Hope this clarifies--
 * I need to apologize. I completely forgot, that you already told me, that you didn’t own the books anymore. I'm sorry, the quoted scene is the one in which Lolth cheats in plain sight during rolling some dice. Eilistraee asks for the judge, Ao, who then says that Lolth gave Eilistraee loaded dice to guarantee that she would win her roll, killing Selvetarm, and explained this as the reason why it Lolth wasn’t cheating and her roll was valid. If the metaphor was taken out, she organized things for Eilistraee to kill Selvetarm, by putting her acknowledged champion, Wendonai, and her Chosen, Halisstra, as aid for Cavatina.
 * I think, she had things quite under control from the beginning to the end.
 * Saya222 (talk) 13:27, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Tsammarco (talk) 23:28, March 26, 2017 (UTC)