Talk:Dawn Cataclysm

...Argumentative Conclusions Section
I didn't want to edit this section, as it's clearly an opinion piece, and one most likely written by someone of import on the Candlekeep forums. However, I have issue with the fourth point in the argument.

"Azuth must have already been Magister when he battled Savras..." This could not be the case for two reasons:
 * 1) Page 6 of ''Magic of Faerûn states that "Azuth came into conflict with a minor southern deity of divinations," meaning that Savras had already reached apotheosis.
 * 2) Page 14 of Secrets of the Magister says, regarding the Magister's leaving office, "...she offers the Magister the chance to become one of hear-immortal Chosen. Azuth took this route...." I grant that this doesn't preclude their first battle (or battles) having been during Azuth's tenure as Magister, but more likely he had already swapped titles and become Chosen, especially if, as the second bullet point states, "Azuth and Savras were rivals for centuries."

That's my second issue with the argument: Page 35 of Faiths & Avatars states that "Savras the All-Seeing, a rival god of mages whom Azuth defeated, was Azuth's foe for centuries" (a different quote entirely). By reading the rest of the Azuth entry in that sourcebook, my interpretation of it is that Savras simply held a grudge after being defeated/imprisoned, especially given that (again on page 6 of Magic of Faerûn), it says "The near-divine mortal and the minor deity began a battle that lasted several years." Several years could mean centuries, but more likely not.

I don't know how, or if, these counterpoints affect the logic of the argument, but I felt I had to share my two cents. 68.36.46.141 16:59, December 31, 2013 (UTC)