Forgotten Realms Wiki:Featured article nominations

This page is for nominating, discussing and voting on featured articles to go on the Featured article template. An article that reaches at least 3 votes in favour, including one administrator vote, will be promoted to featured article status.

Criteria
A feature article should meet the following criteria:
 * Complete: The article should give everything about the subject. There should be a complete account from the standard sources, and common and important information should appear. It doesn't have to be utterly exhaustive, with every tidbit from every obscure source, but ideally there should be some little tidbits of lore to spice it up and surprise the expert FR fan.
 * Correct: We should be able to confirm that every fact presented is true and accurate by examining the sources. That goes hand-in-hand with...
 * Referenced: The article should be fully referenced.
 * Formatted: The article should be fully formatted in wiki article style, sectioned out, and infoboxed, with a past-tense, in-universe POV, and good English text.
 * Important: The article should be on a reasonably well-known topic that ties into the larger setting, comes from multiple sources, or is just famous to readers.
 * Big: A medium-to-long article demonstrates completeness, and short ones are too easy to make look good.
 * Illustrated: Pictures and quotes really spice up the article, breaking up walls of text, and make it look good. It also stands out on the main page.
 * Demonstrative: The article should demonstrate all appropriate practices, policies, templates, and wiki code to budding editors. It should also demonstrate our usefulness to players and DMs (for example, presenting a fully developed community to play in or NPC to deal with). It could also demonstrate how to balance lore from different editions and media.

Nomination Form
Please nominate an article in the following format: ===Article Name=== ;Nominated by: ;Disclaimer: ;Vote: ;For: ;Against: ;Pros: * ;Cons: * ;Requests * ;Verdict:
 * Article Name
 * The name of the nominated article. This should be a direct link to the article.


 * Nominated by
 * The editor who originally nominated the article for feature status.


 * Disclaimer
 * Please note if you wrote the article yourself or otherwise had a strong hand in it.


 * Vote
 * The current score. Please add 1 if you are for it, subtract 1 if you are against it.


 * For
 * List your name here if in favor.


 * Against
 * List your name if in not in favor.


 * Pros
 * Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should be featured.


 * Cons
 * Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should not be featured.


 * Requests
 * List anything you feel should be done to the article that would make improve and/or make it worthy of featured status.


 * Verdict
 * The final result of the vote: 'approved' to be a featured article; 'pending' or blank if it's still under discussion; or 'refused' if it's currently irredeemable without major reworking. The verdict will be decided by an administrator after thorough checking.

Voting Process
For Nominated, For, and Against, just list your user name: User:__. For Pros, Cons, and Requests, give a reason following by a short signature (three tildes ).

You may change your vote if you are satisfied by changes to an article, or find some problem with it. Please relocate your name to the correct category, update the current vote tally, and note the change somewhere.

Extensive discussion of requested work on an article should be taken to that article's Talk page.

Vhaeraun‎

 * Nominated by
 * Regis87


 * Disclaimer
 * Vote
 * 4
 * 4


 * For
 * Moviesign, Possessed Priest, Sirwhiteout, Artie


 * Against


 * Pros
 * A massive, detail-heavy article. Lots of hard work put into it by various users. &mdash;Regis87 (talk)
 * Agreed. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * A popular topic among fans, I believe. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Already good article quality. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Incredibly well documented, over 200 sources. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Good range of images, symbols and quotes. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * All important links have associated pages (small amount of red links). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Cons
 * The infobox image is low resolution. &mdash;Regis87 (talk)
 * Generally, low-resolution files are required, because of copyright, but in this case, it is indeed a poor-quality scan, so, yes, the image should be replaced. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Changed the picture with a not enlarged one to lower resolution. May I ask whether it is alright? Saya222 (talk) 19:33, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea looks much better! --Regis87 (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yea looks much better! --Regis87 (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Infobox uses a confusing mix of refs in the headings and in the text. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I hope, that it is solved. May I ask whether it is still confusing?19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, much better; thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * ToC is too long.
 * This can be fixed by using  for 4-level headers instead of  . ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Done.19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Quote boxes aren't being used properly.
 * They are not meant for excerpts from novels in an out-of-universe fashion; they should be for quotes in an in-universe fashion. The source field should not be listing a book; it should be giving a speaker, followed by a typical reference footnote. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I hope, it's solved now. I kept it to quotes where characters are actually speaking or thinking. May I ask whether that is alright?19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * There are still a few issues with them, which I can fix myself. I'll try to do that a bit later. Thanks for putting in the work so far! ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Thank you very much for looking over.
 * Saya222 (talk) 04:50, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed them up. The points to keep in mind are:
 * They should only be from a single speaker&mdash;no conversations.
 * They should not have quotes; those are added automatically.
 * They should be "in-universe".
 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation.19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Some of the punctuation/style is not correct/standard for an article here, particularly in the headings.
 * For example, all the hyphens should be colons or en-dashes or em-dashes. It would be better to remove them altogether. Instead of a heading of "Relationships - Allies", just have "Allies". Some of the headings are not needed at all, such as the subheadings for all the different ability types. Just keep them in separate paragraphs. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I found out, that "wasn't" and "weren't" were used and corrected it. But that was certainly the most minor of problems. May I ask what other style-policies were offended? I guess a grammar problem is meant with punctuation problems. I will try to figure and solve them.19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I was actually OK with the contractions, although they aren't often used in formal writing, that trend in English seems to be going away. It actually was nothing to do with grammar; I meant punctuation/style. These are also things that I can clean up on my own. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Thank you very much.
 * Saya222 (talk) 04:50, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * I performed a thorough copy-edit. There were actually a lot more grammatical issues than I had noticed at first, but no worries! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for correcting them.19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * In the notes, avoid links such as "here" and "this question". A webpage should always be explicit in link text. Provide the name of the location of the link and provide the text of the actual question asked. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * Tsammarco was so kind to do it.
 * Saya222 (talk) 19:33, May 16, 2018 (UTC)


 * Much of information is repeated in multiple sections. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Too much detail for my taste in some places&mdash;for example, letting us know an assortment of his key spells would suffice; there is no need to go through so many spells explaining what he can do with them, since that information is easily found elsewhere and is the same for any one else. Nevertheless, I am no longer against this becoming a featured article&mdash;in fact, I just awarded it GA status&mdash;but it is too wordy and overly detailed for me to consider it one of the wiki's very best in its current state. My preference&mdash;but I am only one person!&mdash;is that our very best articles be both complete and concise. That being said, it has clearly received a lot of great work from two editors. Thank you and good work! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the explanation. So it means, the next tasks would be to:
 * cut the stuff that could be read on the linked pages like the passage "cast disguise self, nondetection, invisibility, and mislead, ... to become invisible while leaving a decoy" despite having the spell appear on the head of the Ability-section?
 * adding general information like an explanation for Remote Sense owned by all deities on a page and cut it from the Vhaeraun page, adding a passage like see also deity#Abilities#Remote Sense ?
 * If I'm correct I could try it out, though it would take some time.
 * Saya222 (talk) 19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Minor change needed: Some titles missing references. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * Requests
 * Add any 1e information, if it exists, especially to the infobox. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * There is no mention of Vhaeraun in Deities & Demigods 1st edition, Manual of the Planes 1st edition, or Unearthed Arcana 1st edition. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 23:14, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
 * Convert Drow pantheon to our new format. ~ Lhynard (talk)
 * I changed it to the format of the elven and gnome pantheon. May I ask whether it was the right one?Saya222 (talk) 18:33, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)


 * Verdict

Dark Seldarine

 * Nominated by
 * Regis87


 * Disclaimer
 * Vote
 * 1
 * 1


 * For
 * Regis87, SilverTiger


 * Against
 * Possessed Priest


 * Pros:
 * Very thorough, fully referenced, good infobox, uses notes, and is organized.
 * A model for other pantheon articles; this particular pantheon has had its fingers in many events over the centuries.
 * Cons:
 * Could use some more inline images.
 * Ditto. The article is a wall of text, which scares many readers away.
 * ToC is too long. The best articles should avoid using 4 level headings. Instead of ====, we should be using a semicolon to bold the sub-sub-sub-headings.
 * We should avoid headings with links and instead use Main. Similarly, I suspect that some of the content could be moved to sub-articles to make the current article less overwhelming in length.
 * Article is essentially a wall of text, no images, border boxes, or even quotes (for which there are several) to split up the article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Keptolo should be fleshed out or removed (major red link and connections red link). Realms or not? A drow deity, as is Vulkoor, but no strict Realms relation. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Appendix lacking: no appearances, gallery, external links. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 11:53, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * I just upgraded the article to GA status. However, I don't think it is quite up to par to be a Featured Article, though my things against it are minor and fixable. (Also, I am really picky about what makes a Feature Article, so please do not take it personally!) ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:08, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there any more information about Zinzerena's return? Also, there is a really weird parethesed note in the second paragraph of the Second Sundering section.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:19, April 7, 2020 (UTC)
 * Verdict

Sha'ir

 * Nominated by:Artemaz
 * Disclaimer:I wrote this article myself.
 * Vote: 1
 * For: Artemaz, Regis
 * Against: Possessed Priest (talk)
 * Pros:
 * Full-length, detailed article covering a fascinating form of wizard.
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Would be nice to expand the Featured Articles to include pages showcasing Al-Qadim.
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well illustrated ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As it is, this is a nice "Good Article" (by our standards). Good amount of references from the Al-Qadim campaign setting. I'd really like to see this featured too. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Almost no red links! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Cons:
 * Incomplete infobox. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No references in infobox. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Missing links throughout article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not complete enough for a featured article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Loads of missing information from The Complete Sha'ir's Handbook, i.e., details on sha'ir rituals and much more. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Only page 20 is referenced from the handbook. There should be more information from such a crucial text for this to be a featured article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This article doesn't link to a lot of other important articles to do with sha'ir, i.e., links to sha'ir rituals (Cloak of Gathering Shadows, etc). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Lots of images of of sha'irs missing in the gallery. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No quotes or fqs to break up the article. There are loads of quotes in the handbook afaik, and it would be nice to feature some. Check the mind flayer page for an example of how to break it up. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Incomplete appendix: are there no appearances of sha'irs in Al-Qadim adventures? Check A Dozen and One Adventures, Reunion, Ruined Kingdoms, etc. Same with Al-Qadim: The Genie's Curse. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This article only relies on one source: Arabian Adventures, with mentions of 3 others. Cite adventures or other material. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Infobox needs to be updated to the modern version with edition tabs. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Remove the long list of Known Sha'irs and replace with a link to the category page and/or reduce the list to a smaller set, where notable features of each are also given: "Foo al-Bar, a sha'ir notable for saving the city of Woo{ref}" ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Left justify the gallery and shrink the images in it to standard size. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Are there any 3e images? Color images? ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Verdict:

Moonshae Isles

 * Nominated by: Regis
 * Disclaimer: I expanded the article
 * Vote: -1
 * For:Regis
 * Against:Lhynard, Possessed Priest
 * Pros:
 * Added all missing citations. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There's still a tag on the article for citations being missing. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Expanded all existing sections, created new sections. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Added missing information from 1e and 2e. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Added inline images throughout the article. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Formatted the infobox with proper template. Formatted sections to have minimal ToC. Added "Main Article" links where applicable. (one section, History, was going to be so big I made a separate History of the Moonshae Isles page). ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The proper way to minimize the ToC is to use, not to misuse wiki definition mark-up. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Article is about one of the main locations in the Realms, as such can be considered Important as per the criteria. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * agreed ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Really good work cleaning this up: good quote and images throughout the article, demonstrating features of the wiki. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Contains the major history of the Moonshae Isles, and links to a page with a fuller version. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Cons:
 * It's a great start, but it would fail to be a good article currently, as it hasn't been copy-edited yet, and it is flagged as lacking proper citations. It's far too early to nominate as a featured article, though I suspect that it will get there soon. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. Having a [citation needed] is acceptable for normal articles, let alone a featured one. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It requires a copy-edit. ~ Regis87 (talk) 20:50, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Missing very important articles (red links). The first sentence of the main article has one: Sea of Moonshae, which is a bit of a red flag. Same with its most notable locations (bold red link), such as Tetris. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Appearances section is very far from complete. The Moonshaes appear in many more sources, such as magazines, novels, several video games. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Infobox is missing links. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Requires more than a technical copy-edit for grammar, spelling, etc: some sections and sentences aren't coherent and don't seem to have been looked at. "Earthmother. who was believed to be an aspect of the deity Chauntea, was worshiped exclusively on the Moonshae Isles.", "In 1345 DR,[31],", etc. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Too early to be considered featured.
 * Proofread by the author needed.
 * Copy-edit.
 * Verdict:

Saurial

 * Nominated by: Artie
 * Disclaimer: Should be complete. Fully expanded it. Might need a proof-read.
 * Vote: 2
 * For: Artie, BadCatMan, User:SilverTiger12
 * Against: Possessed Priest
 * Pros:
 * Mostly complete. - Artyom.pavlov (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good article in terms of content that shows off wiki features: quotes, images, gallery, appendix ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cons:
 * Missing very minor details from Finder's Bane re: fauna and Finder's temple description. - Artyom.pavlov (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Content is good, but the article is very untidy and has many mistakes:
 * Very many links are not in the correct order (first mention should be linked). For example, sub-types (not linked in first instances), neither is Grypht, saurials' native tongue, Moander, paladin. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The Lost Vale map is very small, I can't make out any of the text. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Missing many links. For example, no link to poison, armor, etc. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is confusing in places. It says "Fly (Flyer)" in the infobox before mentioning what a "Flyer" is. A casual reader would probably assume that saurials can fly. This should be cleared up. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Grammar and general flow needs major improvement (copy-edit requested below). For example, in the second section, first paragraph: "The possessed natural resistance to sound-based attacks, that included shout spell, and harpy's charm ability. And saurials were naturally vulnerable to gas-based attacks and effects, such as cloudkill or gaseous poisons." None of these sentences make sense do me. Do you mean "The possessed" -> "They possessed", "that included shout spell", what does this mean? "And saurials" is an odd start to a sentence. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Lots of typos or incorrect place / person names, i.e., Lost vale vs Lost Vale, Bladebback vs Bladeback, Flyers vs Fliers ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Formatting is incorrect in a few places (quotes shouldn't be italic). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Some individual sentences repeat citations, i.e., Sentence 1.[14] Sentence 2.[14] Sentence 3.[14] -- It can just be Sentence 1. Sentence 2. Sentence 3.[14] ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Consider making tables for subraces in the infobox. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sub-appendix order is incorrect and needs tidying. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Connections should come last, not references. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Further Reading needs to be removed, as The Complete Book of Humanoids is already in the references. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * Please fix the issues above (not just the examples given, as they are examples only) ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cleaned, rephrased, removed redundant sentences, organized links. However, tables in the inbox is beyond my skill. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 23:42, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Requires a major copy-edit. However, The OP should fix some basic issues before requesting a copy-edit. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be nice if the article also included information on Malatran lacerials, keeping the footnote about the legalese, but in-universe treating that as just a different name for the same species. Daranios (talk) 18:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That footnote was leftover from before I expanded. I don't have access to those Polyhedron issues so it's out of my hands. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Two documents with information about lacerials that I know of are available as pdfs online, The Living Jungle Campaign: Player Information Guide and The Jungle Book of Malatra. I don't know their relation to the Polyhedron articles, though. Daranios (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Did a quick scan through the first one - they appear to be completely identical to saurials, different in name only. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 20:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good to know - I am not too familiar with either the saurials or Malatra. But in that case, some mention of the lacerials' presence in Malatra (and possibly local relationships) would be nice, even if this is a tangential aspect. Daranios (talk) 12:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Verdict:
 * I did a full proofread, clarified some statements, and reduced some wordier parts. BadCatMan (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Dispater

 * Nominated by : SilverTiger
 * Disclaimer : None
 * Vote : 1
 * For : SilverTiger
 * Against :
 * Pros :
 * Big article, well-organized, complete, had neat features like quotes.
 * Dispater has a long history in D&D, having been around all 5 editions.
 * Usage of quotes and images throughout the article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Cons:
 * Currently, this is far from a Featured Article or even a Good Article (it does not meet the criteria for a Good Article, as it not correctly referenced in parts, see below). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: does the cleanup author want this to be Featured? If so, all my comments from the Bel nomination thread apply here. (Missing references from the infobox, and several missing links, a reference itself is formatted incorrectly or missing). Please could the cleanup author (only if they want to!) take into account all of these comments. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There are no appearances and no referenced only appearances listed. If he was mentioned in Realms sources, like Elminster in Hell, this needs to be explicitly listed. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The article needs to be drilled back to its Realms relevance. At the moment, it reads like a core article with only one mention of Faerûn and no appearances. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The "Realm" section (Dis) goes far beyond Dispater himself, and should be included in the Dis article or discarded. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The quote formats are strange. For example: Dispater should not be italicised, and one of the quotes is really long. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Requests
 * I'll add more comments, but as most of them are the same issues as in the previous discussed thread, I will hold off for now. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 00:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Verdict:

Cloister of St. Ramedar

 * Nominated by: Moviesign
 * Disclaimer: I wrote this. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Vote: 3
 * For: User:SilverTiger12, Artie, Ir&#39;revrykal (talk)
 * Against:
 * Pros:
 * A unique location that is a combination prison, sanitarium, and shrine. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Pictures and a quote to break up wall of text. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Covers six millennia of history. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Shows off the various features of the wiki: images, quotes, and well-written notes! I'll likely vote for this when the fixes below have been implemented. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Cons:
 * Not sure if this is a pro or a con, but this is the fourth (out of five) articles about religious locations from Powers & Pantheons. &mdash;Moviesign (talk)
 * Multiple very important missing red links. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Examples (not just limited to these): St Ramedar, Ramedaran Brotherhood. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Those will be turned blue as future Year of Miracles articles. I'm just slow :) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Infobox has no categories to find out who is an inhabitant, what organizations are there, etc! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If the only organization operating there is the Church of Ilmater's Ramedaran Brotherhood, then it feels like pointless over-categorization to make a category for organizations in the cloister. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * We know almost nothing about Clan Gemcrypt that built the place, but I think I could make at least a 3-sentence article on them and that would make two organizations (which is sorta my personal threshold for creating a category). As for inhabitants, I think there is also at least two. And the dragon makes three. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If there's still only two and both are mentioned in the article, then it still seems to be pointless over-categorization. [I go by Wikipedia rules where you need at least 3 items for a category to be worthwhile]. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Requests
 * Not a major issue, but it would be nice if the Ramedaran Brotherhood article were created to avoid having a redlink in the lead. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I had this exact same comment! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll do that one next. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * In the infobox: "Mentally insane"; consider rewording to "Mentally ill" or something else. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Changed to "ill" &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * "The Cloister was located [...] approximately 30 miles (48 kilometers) northwest of Zazesspur" is followed one sentence later by "the Trade Way about 30 miles (48 kilometers) north of Zazesspur and wound its way west". This seems needlessly repetitive. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hmm, they are two different legs of a triangle and both are given in the source. I'll think about how it can be reworded. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * On the whole, excellent work. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * None of this is required, but:
 * I feel like lacking articles on Saint Ramedar, the Ramedaran Brotherhood, and Reverend Father Benentine Boldoran create a lapse in information. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Addressed above. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The cloister, brotherhood, and saint all are not mentioned in the Church of Ilmater article, despite being apparently pretty major. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The Church of Ilmater is BadCatMan's baby so I was going to give him first dibs on adding that info, but I can also do it. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Are there really no other notable inmates of the place? SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:00, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The Krimmevols were mentioned just 3 paragraphs prior, so I did not repeat their mention in the Notable Inhabitants section. Likewise I didn't reiterate Father Benentine or Timoni, but could do so if this were changed to a bulleted list rather than a prose section. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 18:48, 1 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I see this has reached 3 votes including one admin vote, but I still think it is crucial to have the Saint Ramedar article added as a minimum. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:20, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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