Talk:Hoar

Faith and Pantheons (p97) lists him as Lawful Neutral.
 * Indeed, but FRCG lists him as evil, which is sourced within the article. Niirfa-sa 19:32, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * FRCG does in fact list him as evil. Note that FRCG does Not list him as 'Lawful Evil' or anything complex like that(Remember they 'improved' alignments for 4E).  So where is the source for him being 'Lawful Evil', as it is Not the FRCG. (Bloodtide 17:28, March 17, 2010 (UTC))

Until this is clarified, I'm changing it back to Lawful Neutral. Just because he's an Exarch of Bane now doesn't mean he's become evil himself, it's simply a result of Tyr being taken out of the equation. Neutrals can associate with Evils as they please.

Seems to me some anonymous FRCG writer was just carelessly presumptuous about this, and because Hoar is pretty unimportant, it wasn't noticed and corrected by an editor.

Hoar's portfolio -- that which is truly important here -- is still the same as before, and it's rather silly and nonsensical for him to have the "adulation of the downtrodden" and yet still somehow be 'evil' in nature. His followers still go around righting wrongs just as before (albeit with a cruel and macabre approach, of course), and that simply isn't the sort of sensible enterprise of an evil demigod.

An overall neutral alignment continues to be the only logical characteristic for his portfolio.

this seems wrong
The original sentence in the Faiths and Pantheons book referenced in the article is "Both Tyr and Shar contest for Hoar's tormented soul..." with no references to Bane at all. The sentence is also borderline word for word from the book, with things like Shar's title of "Dark Goddess" changed slightly even though "Dark God" is not one of Bane's titles. Would be nice to see some actual citation for why this change was made, because there seems to be no reference to that in any of the 3ed-3.5 books cited.

Update: I have since changed the wording to reflect page 98 of Faiths and Pantheons

TheNamelessBard (talk) 23:20, April 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have rewritten some of the more blatant plagiarism and replaced your reference with a pre-made template. Feel free to continue to improve the article. It needs more love. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:22, April 18, 2018 (UTC)