Category talk:Inhabitants of the Royal Harim of Huzuz

Created this category for the 10 wives/concubines of Khalil al-Assad al-Zahir, all of whom have detailed write-ups in the City of Delights Golden Huzuz sourcebook. Artemas (talk) 13:25, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Sort Question
I've noticed some inconsistencies on how the wiki sorts members by their name within categories like this. Most of the time it appears to be by their last name, but this cat has them by first, last, or neither. Is this just because these Zakharan names are confusing the wiki with all of the Ibn,, bint, al-, etc nomenclature? Artemas (talk) 14:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, it's because of an assumption of mine about how the naming works in the Midani language, which I'm presuming is like the Alzhedo language, since both are based on real-world Arabic. See the discussion started here: Category Talk:Kits


 * The idea is that "al-" is just a linguistic prefix for a person's last name, so names should be sorted by what follows. "Ibn" and "bint", on the other hand, are what are known as patronymns or matronyms. They are not surnames but instead tell you who one's parent is.


 * See also: Calishite naming conventions


 * Yes, I'm making an assumption about Midani, but I know a fair amount about how languages work, so unless there is a source that states otherwise, I think it makes sense to sort by Midani surnames but not Midani patronymns/matronyms, sorting by given name in those cases.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:37, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, it's also because some typos were made in the files, which I'm fixing now&hellip;. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:39, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * They should all be correct now. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:45, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Awesome. I see what was added above the infobox on the source edit page, so I'll add this from now on to make things easier. Artemas (talk) 14:47, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wonderful.


 * There's a whole lot on this wiki not sorted properly, because is bizarro and many folks don't know about it. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Is it safe to assume that you do not need to add the default sort if the individual only has one name? I just made the Hassan page and he sorted correctly within the "Inhabitants of the Royal Harim" cat. Artemas (talk) 15:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Correct. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:13, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Spelling?
Is it actually "Harim" and not "Harem"? ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:20, May 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Page 37 of the Golden Huzuz sourcebook specifically states "Harim" and it's spelled that way every time it's used after that.Artemas (talk) 23:16, May 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think the deal is that "Harim" is a transliteration from Arabic/Midani, but "harem" is the English word. This means that we should be using "Harim" if referring to the actual specific place as a proper noun, but we should be using "harem" when referring to what the Harim is. Does that make sense? ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:07, June 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep, makes sense. The good news is that I've added all of the inhabitants (wives, concubines, guards, etc) of the Royal Harim already, so there won't be any new pages in this area. Artemas (talk) 17:07, June 1, 2015 (UTC)