Talk:Khopesh

From khopesh to scimitar
Not a bad page... I do have a question about the info from Netheril: Empire of Magic... the source does not say the khopesh becomes the scimitar... any thoughts? Darkwynters (talk) 03:31, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Historically, in the real world, the scimitar descended from the khopesh. In pp. 31 the dates are so similar as to be more than mere coincidence; besides some lock quality items, the khopesh is the only piece of equipment to have an "expiration date" where it ceases to be used; the date is 168 years after the introduction of the scimitar; consistent with the decline of use of a primary military arm. Note that the Netherese steel longsword was introduced 192 years before the introduction of the scimitar, meaning that the khopesh and the vastly superior longsword existed side-by-side for nearly 350 years. A reasonable, though speculative, timeline would have the khopesh as a primary arm in the military when Netherese longswords are introduced, used mainly by nobles, adventurers and officers, since the military tends to be a bit hide-bound with its customs, but the introduction of the longsword prompts the evolution of the khopesh into a more modern form, which after 192 years of slow evolution, results in the introduction of the scimitar, which takes the place of the khopesh in line formations, relegating the khopesh to ceremonial and elite bodyguard duties. Eventually, even these uses decline, resulting in the abandonment of the old-form traditional khopesh in favour of more modern weapons.


 * --Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 21:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that may too speculative for the main article. With a quick check of Wikipedia, at khopesh, scimitar, and related precursors, it doesn't say that the scimitar evolved from the khopesh, but rather came from more machete-like weapons like the makhaira or dao. Where did you learn this about the khopesh/scimitar?
 * In addition, there are other possibilities, such as introduction of the scimitar by other races (drow are suggested), or direct introduction by the god Targus/Garagos, who is described and statted with scimitars prior to 3rd edition.
 * And, this being D&D, things don't exactly go out of fashion or use, but keeping sticking around if they're still cool and interesting. Mulhorand still uses khopeshes for the Egyptian theme. -- BadCatMan (talk) 12:21, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Weight?
7 lbs are less than 3 kilograms, not 3.5 kg. The conversion factor is something like 0.41, from the top of my head, not 0.5. Half a kg is quite a lot of weight, and 3 kg is already as heavy as a two-handed steel sword of 5 feet length, so these numbers are, at best, questionable; altho I'll accept the 7lb weight as canon given a source. 79.223.176.229 01:55, November 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Darkwynters checked the source and fixed the measurements and weights. For the record, the conversion factor is ~0.45. The khopesh also weighs 12 lbs in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition. -- BadCatMan (talk) 12:27, November 6, 2012 (UTC)