Talk:Zariel

She is the lord of the 1st once more according to D&D new monster manual--76.11.147.48 18:54, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Good Article status

 * Correct : yes
 * Referenced : yes
 * Formatted : yes
 * Clean : yes
 * Nearly complete : no (It's missing the history of the events in Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus.)
 * Policy-adherent/Demonstrative : yes

Timeline
Because dnd is bad at timelines, Zariel's fall is spun to be incredibly recent, in 1354 in the latest module, while all the other ones phrase it as an ancient event. Thoughts?Vegepygmy (talk) 21:42, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Deity Status
Zariel is not a deity according to any canon source that I know of. She does not have any domains and does not grant spells to followers. In general, archdevils and demon lords are not deities unless they can claim a domain. There are exceptions, of course: one archdevil that satisfies that criterion is Asmodeus. But in general that is not true. Archdevils that do not claim domains or that do not grant spells to clerics should use the Person infobox.

Is there a source that specifically claims otherwise? ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 22:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Not exactly, but implied. I believe the Book of Vile Darkness implied she had worshipers and cults devoted to her, but she never had spells or domains listed because she as never actually in power until 5e, which doesn't list those for archdevils.Vegepygmy (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Having a cult does not make a creature a deity. See, for example, Vlaakith CLVII, who has a large cult among the githyanki but very explicitly is not a deity (and is attempting to become one). If Zariel does not have domains or cannot grant spells in any edition, she is not a deity. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 23:16, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Alright then I'll adjust it back.Vegepygmy (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Could you please also check all the other archdevils you edited recently and make the proper adjustments? Some of them do qualify as deities in some editions, but not in general. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 23:25, 12 October 2020 (UTC)