Talk:Talos

Merge Suggestion
Since Talos and Gruumsh are the same god, would anybody object if the information here were simply moved to Gruumsh and Talos redirected to Gruumsh#Talos Aspect? Niirfa-sa 09:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be wrong to merge the articles. Talos is a major, greater power with tons and tons of Realmslore that covers several editions. You might be able to fill up one paragraph of lore about Gruumsh, and it's not like we will see any 4E lore. I know they put out a D&D like game and some of the books even say Forgotten Realms on them, but they have no relation. The classic Realms has nothing to do with the new, cool, hip, easy realms. Maybe like the spells you can put a little 4E box way at the bottom of the page that says 'Oh yea in 4E they said and did this and that'. (Bloodtide 23:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Edition-bias has no place here. Canon is canon. Niirfa-sa


 * I guess canon=something you like, right?. I wonder why you 4E people did not just make your own Wiki.  After all the 5,000 some articles here are useless to the 4E person.  (Bloodtide 02:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC))
 * I'm not a "4e person." I enjoyed 3e and 3.5 as well. However, canon is canon, and that includes not just new 4e material but old OD&D, AD&D, 2e, 3e, and 3.5 material as well. Elminster still became the Chosen of Mystra and became a famed archmage living in Shadowdale. Drizzt still left the Underdark to become a ranger of Mielikki. The Bhaalspawn Crisis still occured. None of those events didn't happen. However, just like 3e and 2e retconned certain things considered canon, so has 4e, and the wiki should reflect that. Whining about it isn't going to help anyone. Niirfa-sa 02:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a serious question, not whining. When a 1E,2E or 3E person comes to the Wiki, all the information in an article can be used.  But 4E all the stuff is 100 years out of date.  Sure, you can read the history, but that has nothing to do with the Realms of the 1400's.  To a 4E person, Drizzit was a drow ranger that did some stuff 120 years ago, and died years past.  Same way only a 1/2/3E person will care about Talos, as he is a greater god.  To a 4E person he is less then nothing, an aspect of an orc god?  The greater god Talos has nothing to do with Gruumsh, and it's hard to how they are related.  (Bloodtide 02:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Both have one eye. Both are chaotic evil. Both are gods of savage warriors. Gruumsh is simply focused around orcs, while Talos is more of a take-all god. Frankly, it's a little surprising that Talos wasn't chosen as the canonical name but my guess is that the developers wanted a strong orcish pantheon to counterbalance the fey one.
 * Also, Drizzt is still alive. As is Elminster. Shall we start a vote? So far we have 1 for merge, 2 against. I wouldn't mind hearing more opinions. Niirfa-sa 06:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)