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Forgotten Realms and Ravenloft
I noticed that there's a Ravenloft article on this wiki, but that there ISN'T a Forgotten Realms article on the Ravenloft wiki.

From what I can tell, Forgotten Realms has A LOT more influence on Ravenloft than Ravenloft has on Forgotten Realms. It seems a lot more logical to me to have a Forgotten Realms article on the Ravenloft wiki than to have a Ravenloft article on the Forgotten Realms wiki, especially if an article for the other is going to be on only one of the two.

Gringo300 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to do a frighten
Hello there BCM, I am new to wikis in general and noticed you reverted my accidental early publish of the half-drow FR wiki article. I just wanted to say first- oops, and secondly that I came this way because Arty sent me. He'd invited people to come in and help add/clean up articles on the Ed Greenwood discord and I had just did a break down for half-drow because someone had complained of a lack of info/context with the half-drow article and thought I'd add what I'd paraphrased for everyone. I probably won't be editing often but would definitely like to keep helping now and then. Sorry for giving you a vandalism scare. Alaundo Snopes (talk)


 * That's fine, Artie explained and I figured it might be something like that—it happens to us all! For a big article, I find it helps to play around in a Word document and then transfer the final piece in. Anyway, welcome to the wiki! ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup!
Hey! It's me, Cherrio! I noticed your organizing of Ss'thar'tiss'ssun and I wanted to say I appreciate it! I'm not new to wiki edits but I'm fairly new to the citation system here, so pardon my simple citations. x)


 * Well met, and welcome to the wiki! No problem, thanks for trying and providing sufficient information so it could be checked. It helps a lot! I had more of a time restructuring and revising the text to fit the wiki style, to use past tense and put it in chronological order to make a proper history out of it. By the way, please be sure to rewrite all text from the sourcebooks, as I found some sentences were quite close to the original text from Serpent Kingdoms. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Honor Among Thieves, part 2
Heya! Apparently there are some technical issues re-adding me to Slack, so I wanted to drop by here to ask you to join me in Discord, instead. We just need to resurrect the HAT design you reverted last week, and change and image or two there. Thanks! -- CzechOut 16:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Lore/History of Warforged from DDO
How open are you i.e. this wiki to lore shown within DDO? I'm quite fond of the lore and history of the Warforged race and a couple of quests in that game really dive into their lore: how they were built, how they were trained, the great war in Eberron they were made for, and even showing the range of the emotions they are capable of feeling such as crippling guilt/remorse and PTSD. This level of detail I have not seen in the written DnD rulebooks but I believe it would be a good addition to the Warforged page, but wanted to check with you first if you would accept DDO as a source and how I should citation it.

Please advise,

Kiljaedenas (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Well met, and thanks for asking! We do accept Dungeons & Dragons Online as a source, and it is a game in dire need of documenting, so you're more than welcome to work on it. However, it is primarily an Eberron game and often an edge case. Its forays into Toril are valid for inclusion on the Forgotten Realms Wiki (Cormyr, Wheloon, Eveningstar, Tethyammar, etc.), but most of the rest is better suited to the Eberron Wiki (Stormreach, Xen'drik, Sharn, etc.), and some of it is more of a core D&D or Greyhawk setting and a different wiki again (Saltmarsh, White Plume Mountain, Temple of Elemental Evil).


 * As for the warforged specifically, their existence in the Forgotten Realms is debatable, though they have appeared in Realms sources. So, I'd rather the FRW not carry more than the basic core lore for them. But as Eberron creatures, they ought to be documented fully on the Eberron Wiki.


 * Fortunately, I also run the Eberron Wiki, which should be the starting point for Eberron lore from DDO, and I use many of the same policies and templates there as here. The game is detailed at Dungeons & Dragons Online and the warforged article has a lot more of their setting lore, though it does need work, with a lot of referencing required. A lot of the DDO lore on warforged would likely come from 3.5-edition Eberron sources. So that is the best place for you to start working on warforged. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 01:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Aethalynmur's Plight
Oh, my apologies. Sorry to interfere. Thanks for your work! 👍️ Aecial (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello there!
Just noticed you removed the small edit I did yesterday and just wanted to ask why. Some of the Chosen are clearly marked as deceased, but many more that have in fact died canonically are not marked as such. I was actually going to go through all of them today and mark all the dead ones as deceased. I just don't see the point why only like 3 out of 10+ dead Chosen are marked as such, it should be either all or none of them.

Cheers! – User:EarlOfHam


 * Hi! Because of our past-tense / removal from the timeline policy, it's unnecessary to list characters as deceased or formerly holding a position in a simple list like this, as they may hold that position in an earlier era or may regain that position in future. So, it should be none of them. Of course, while I tidied the article earlier, I missed that some were marked as deceased. And I apologise, I should've better explained my reason for undoing your edit, but there was a lot of other things to check on and revise at the time, so I hurried through. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 13:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Mielikki Pronunciation
I corrected the pronunciation of Mielikki on Mielikki's page here, but your bot UnseenServantBot keeps deleting my edits, and reverting the pronunciation to the original, incorrect form. Could you do something about this?

Best,

Niko Pyrhönen


 * Reverts were not done by a bot but by the wiki admins. FR wiki covers Forgotten Realms and its published canon sources. The real world information is not applicable in this case and os beyond the wiki's scope. As such, Mielikki's pronunciation is only to be sourced from official materials (see the citation). Furthermore, this topic had already been brought up and addressed - the talk page on Mielikki. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 19:06, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

For the race of Balduran
Hi there! Just want to ask, is there any official DND source that explicitly list Balduran as a human?

Best, Sacria


 * Not explicitly, but he's certainly not an elf – Balduran's Log Book found in Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast has him so contemptuous of elves he couldn't possibly be one. I don't know if BG3 depicts original Balduran himself, but all the statues present him as human. Given that and his role in a human culture, the default human assumption is a fair one. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 02:51, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for your reply. But still it's acceptable for an elf to resent the elf's culture. I had read through the log as well and pretty sure there is no explicit depiction of him as elf. However, his race being an elf could explain many things, for example his long existence beyond normal human life span, even before he becoming a mind flayer. He also didn't get the curse during his last voyage, just like his elf guide (elf won't get that curse like human according to Balduran's guide, which is said in the previous Baldur's Gate game).


 * An elf could be possible to live in human culture. During the mural interactions, everyone refer to the character depicted as Balduran and an elf. Since it should be Balduran himself that committed this mural, the race of him should be accurate. I think it's reasonable to presence his race as elf before further clarification from either wizards of the coast or Larian (I contacted them through twitter), especially since the citation is towards BG3.


 * Best,
 * Sacria


 * There are plenty of other options for his life span (resurrection, magical longevity, stasis, etc.) and I just can't buy him as an elf at all. Nevertheless, I can add the possibility and write a note about it later. Do you have a link to a video of the scene? I"m not playing BG3 myself. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 03:24, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Sure I will search for one, but few uploader clicks on the mural. I myself consider that the race of Balduran as an elf is an intended plot twist. His race was never explicitly given in any official material before. Actually all the statues of Balduran in BG3 have his ears covered, so no way to see if he's an elf or human from those. But the Balduran (emperor) himself is present when checking the mural.


 * Meanwhile let me copy the conversation about that mural as in BG3 data file here, for your reference. Basically, if you fail the knowledge(history) check, the humanoid is referred as an elf. If you pass the check then you recognize him as Balduran. The elf figure on the collector's edition, with his iconic sword and shield, is also presumed to be actually Balduran.




 * I don't like the design of Emperor to an illithid originated from Ceremorphosis of Balduran. However, that's what the game said, just as Balduran's race.


 * Best,
 * Sacria


 * Thanks, those conversation lines are helpful. However, the mural may be mistaken as it's only a secondary source within the setting and the others are simply reading off it, and if Balduran/Emperor is present, he may simply not care enough now to correct the others. I just can't reconcile the mural's claim of him being an elf with him being who'd say "bloody elves". (This did just give me a wild pet theory: the Emperor is not Balduran at all, but Dradeel or another elf sailor masquerading as him. :D )


 * In any cause, as Ed Greenwood just tweeted in reply to you, Balduran is a human, and Ed was a writer on Forgotten Realms Adventures where Balduran was first mentioned.


 * BG3 isn't too reliable on questions of character race, since it changed a good few of them: Blurg of the Society of Brilliance is an orog, but he's hobgoblin in the game because it doesn't have any orcs. It's made changes for its own artistic license, but they aren't necessarily so sensible in the context of the larger body of lore, and it's full of internal contradictions. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 05:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)