Talk:Alaundo

I'm trying to find all Alaundo's prophecies. As soon as I get them together I'll post them here. I need them for my campain, so if anyone posts them here I would be very happy :)

Cheers -Loostro 13:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Candlekeep link
There is quite some information on Alaundo at http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/alaundo.htm which is referenced in the article. However, what raised my suspicion is that Alaundo's birth and death years (--22 DR and 76 DR) are not mentioned in The Grand History of the Realms. Should this article be considered canon? Fw190a8 (talk &middot; contr) 11:40, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * The article hosted on Candlekeep says "property and copyright of Frank Penca" and does not cite any sources. If it were official, WotC would have the copyright and there would be some kind of short biography/statement about the author.  It's a worthy piece of work, and WotC apparently hasn't objected to it, but it doesn't appear to be officially endorsed or adopted.Wanderscribe (talk) 06:44, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was listed under "unofficial sources". I went ahead and removed the offending bits. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 07:31, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Weave ghost
According to Ed Greenwood's most recent comments- Alaundo is currently a weave ghost.

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22659&whichpage=48


 * Thanks. I'd advise we hold off on treating this as fact until Baldur's Gate III is released. Otherwise, we could comment: "a certain sage believed that Alaundo may exist as a weave ghost". ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 10:06, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Portrait
Is it possible to change the main portrait in the article? The man looks like a racist stereotype, and the woman who drew it made some... questionable comments about her inspiration for it. – Special:Contributions/31.1.77.109


 * I know, some of us have been critical of it ourselves. However, it's not so much the fault of the artist, who AFAICT just followed the brief and said nothing about it. Those comments were from the MtG designer, and the reasoning seemed cringey and trying to justify a pointless job, IMO, and their choices caused a lot of upsets in character depictions, often erasing other non-white races in favour of these black cliches.


 * I wrote the article and cleaned and uploaded the older image of a white Alaundo – turned out he had been depicted before, but the source is obscure as hell – but as hard as I worked on it, it's kind of dull. I'm happy for him to be dark-skinned. In my head-canon, he came from Turmish, a land with a tradition of diviner wizards. However, I do not think we should change the image: like it or not, it is the most recent, official artwork, and the one readers expect to see, and it's not so bad that we can decline. (Besides, swapping a black man for a white man is even less of a good look.) Maybe in a year or so we can cycle the BG characters back to the traditional depictions and shuffle this one to keep it fresh, but I'd rather leave it as is for now. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 11:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * PS: Or I could be reminded that tabs exist for this reason, so I've gone and implemented that. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"Besides, swapping a black man for a white man is even less of a good look." - Alaundo's original portrait is white, so they did the opposite. – Special:Contributions/77.113.100.110


 * Maybe they would have, but it was likely not on purpose in this case: the original art only appeared in a very obscure source, the Forgotten Realms Conspectus pamphlet, and us FRW editors only noticed it several weeks ago. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 15:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am sure that every time a white character is turned into a black one, it's on accident.

I am in total agreement. Also the default portrait should be the one taken from actual Forgotten Realms source material, not Magic The Gathering. I don't know why a card game's depiction of an established FR character was made the default image to begin with. Furthermore, MtG has been known to make canonically inaccurate "race swaps" of characters, such as with their depiction of Aragorn from Lord of the Rings. Such bizarre and controversial depictions of previously established characters should not be featured front-and-center on articles. 47.219.237.179 22:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Artyom.pavlov So you're just going to revert edits without providing a reason, while refusing to engage in discussion, and then lock the page under the guise of "vandalism"? How constructive.


 * This conversation had already taken place and been closed. Firstly, Alaundo's physical description has never been stated in print, and art is merely an artistic representation. Secondly, MTG set is a first-party product, so it has as much weight as an obscure image from TSR's promotional poster. Thirdly, Lord of the Rings had at least a dozen continuities and variants, while FR has one and only one. Thank you for your input. In the future, discuss the issue on the talk page first before starting an edit war. Have a nice day. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 23:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)