Talk:Seelie Court

Realms connections
The Seelie and Unseelie courts are mentioned in Volo's Guide to Monsters when describing hags and darklings. The source also mentions that the ruler of the Seelie Court is the Summer Queen Titania, who is mentioned in Tomb of Annihilation to be the only being capable of destroying the Ring of Winter. Titania, the Summer Court and the seelie (not sure if these terms are the same) are also mentioned in Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. &mdash; Sirwhiteout (talk) 02:33, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I had also discovered that it is in the 2e Demihuman Deities, so I went ahead and cleaned up the article and removed the tags. It just needs a bunch of expansion now. ~ Lhynard (talk) 02:37, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Possible split
So, there are several things that "Seelie Court" apparently refers to:
 * The group of fey ruled by Queen Titania, as described in this article.
 * The pantheon of sylvan deities, also ruled by Titania.
 * The divine realm of the above-mentioned pantheon.

As the article stands, it only really discusses the first point, which is arguably the most obscure, as it draws mainly from an online 3e article; the pantheon/divine realm have a good deal of published 2e information on them.

Therefore, it may be worthwhile to either split this article into one that described the divine realm, and one that described the pantheon (with a little about the fey it rules), or at least expand it to include the 2e information; separating it into three articles is also a possibility. If we do the former, we may want to do the same for the Unseelie Court as well.

Comment welcome. Have a good day.--SilverTiger (talk) 18:27, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, Silver T, it's good to see you back.


 * I totally agree with this, and it's been on the back of my mind to split it up for a while.


 * I think that we should have the following articles:
 * Seelie Court (disambiguation)
 * Seelie Court
 * Seelie Court (divine realm)
 * &hellip;where the 2 is the pantheon article.


 * However, if you think it would be better to do it differently, that is okay too. Several ways could work:
 * Seelie Court
 * Seelie Court (pantheon)
 * Seelie Court (divine realm)
 * &hellip;where the 1 is the disambiguation page.


 * Or:
 * Seelie Court (disambiguation)
 * Seelie Court (pantheon)
 * Seelie Court


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:40, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Any of those would work, Lhynard. Honestly, it kind of depends on whether it'll be a three-way split or a two-way split, which itself depends on how 5e treats the Court.


 * In the case of a two-way split (where it continues to be undetailed in 5e), I favor either the first or second approach. In the case of a three-way split, I'd favor a scheme more like this:
 * Seelie Court (disambiguation)
 * Seelie Court (pantheon)
 * Seelie Court (divine realm)
 * Seelie Court (faction)


 * ...Of course, as it stands only a two-way split with some major rewriting to focus on the pantheon is actually needed. If you want to go ahead with a rewrite, I will gladly help- I didn't want to completely change the focus of the article on my own, without input.--SilverTiger (talk) 18:46, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that I prefer the two-way split, with a change in focus so that the "faction" aspect is mentioned as part of the "pantheon" article but the main focus being the pantheon. When the pantheon "held court", it could be noted that other fey were invited to participate. That really seems to be what that one 3e online article is about.


 * Fey are low on my priority right now, so please take charge here and go with it. I can always go back over and tweak things if I feel inclined to do so.


 * Just make sure to try to tie it to the Realms!


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:55, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * I have rewritten this article and created the divine realm article. I wound up putting information about the faction, as mentioned in the 3.5e online article, in the divine realm article because it described more a location and its inhabitants. That said, I am keeping in mind that if 5e expands the information of the Seelie Court/Summer Court faction of the fey (which may or may not include the Green fey faction from 4e), a further split may be necessary. But not today.--SilverTiger (talk) 20:07, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks for taking that on! Just in case you are interested, there is some more information on Seelie Court (divine realm) in Planes of Chaos - The Book of Chaos p. 9-10. Daranios 20:16, September 4, 2020 (UTC)