Talk:Sahuagin

"The Sea Devils" Sourcing
"The Sea Devils" is not a Realms-specific source, however, "Sea of Fallen Stars" refers to it as a source of further information for "sahuagin culture, psychology, life, and society". While I would assume that validates information on those specific subjects, does that include things like the origin theories in the book or the anguiliian and sharkwere/nawidnehr species? Bloghdaw (talk) 11:43, April 22, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello there! The exact quote is: "Sahuagin have been exhaustively detailed in the AD&D game supplement The Sea Devils (TSR #09539). This book contains greater amounts of information on sahuagin culture, psychology, life and society, and even special sahuagin priest spells". Just because it provides greater (i.e., more extensive) information, does not make all of that information relevant to the Realms. The origin theories may make sense to add if they provide relevance, though make sure the information isn't in conflict with Realms sources or existing Realmslore. In terms of creatures, such as aguiliian and sharkweres, see if they exist in Realmslore. If they do, please feel free to add them! I know that anguiliian are definitely in the Realms. I can't think of any definite examples of sharkweres in the Realms, though. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:25, April 22, 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, Priest's answer is spot on. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:06, April 22, 2020 (UTC)


 * Searching the wiki revealed that Iakhovas seems to be called a sharkwere sometimes, suggesting knowledge of that race in the Realms. But then, that is an unsourced statement within the Umberlee article. Finding that source (if it exists) could solve that question. Daranios (talk) 14:47, April 22, 2020 (UTC)

Missing references
I filled most missing references, but there are two things I could not find any mention of:
 * The fact that sahuagin sometimes associates with Kuo-Toa or Morkoth. I could not find a mention of that in any Monster Manual, nor any Sahuagin-specific article.
 * Some details on Sekolah (e.g. "He Who Eats"/"He Who Is Eaten). I could not find any mention of that, and it's not present in the Sekolah article either.

I believe both of those information might be either hypothesis, or homebrewed information. WanderingKobold (talk)


 * What I could find: Morkoths were known to enslave duo-toas and Sahuagin alike (Plague of Spells); Red Wizards allied with Sahuagin (Dead in Thay); sahuagin held bullywugs in disdain (fiend folio 1e) 16:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I think adding the morkoth/bulylwug information you found to the relationships section would work, just rewrite the section about morkoths to include the newly found info. Leave the rest as unreferenced for now, perhaps someone else can find the source for that material. The info about the Red Wizards should go into a " ==History== " section with a specific date of the event, something like " " which will show up as "". Ruf (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for adding missing citations throughout the article. Providing sourced information is one of the most important things on the wiki, so I commend you for your efforts. I had a quick look around and I also couldn't find any mentions of sahuagin allying with kuo-toa or morkoths. Considering that they are usually fighting against each other, it's best to remove the unsourced part. I didn't find anything about "He Who Eats" either, so I would remove that "unsourced" part too. We can always add it later should it come up! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Languages: Ixitxachitl?
The 1st edition Monster Manual contains the following information: "... some [sahuagin] are evidently able  to  converse  with the ixitxachitl in their own language"

Based on this, I'm tempted to add Ixitxachitl to the list of languages spoken by the sahuagin, although I could not find any other references to this anywhere. Opinions would be welcomed. WanderingKobold (talk)


 * That would definitely be the right place for that information. However, I do not know if there is enough information to warrant an Ixitxachitl (language) page in the future. Feel free to add it and keep it as a red link for now, Lhynard is our resident language expert and may be more familiar with how much information is available. Ruf (talk) 16:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)