Talk:Jaheira

Would anyone mind terribly if I switched the order of the "games" and "novels" subsections so that that the infobox/portraits could be more appropriately placed at the top? Johnnyriot999 08:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to have an excuse to have the games first. Ville V. Kokko 17:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to start putting the game subsections first on the other Baldur's Gate articles as well, well those that appeared in both the game and novel. I mean, I just have no liking whatsoever for that novel series. It would have been so easy to include an ambiguous adventurer instead of the completely uninspired Abdel Adrian. Anyways I'm done ranting and I dont want to step on what is pretty much your area of expertise so I thought I'd ask your opinion first. Johnnyriot999 04:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I read one paragraph from the novel, refused to follow it. IMO, I spent my money on the game, my PC's story is the canon and in that version, Jaheira was kickass, Minsc played a huge part, Imoen became an ultra powerful arch-mage and my ranger and Jaheira are hitting it nightly.

One last comment.
The WOTC and FR maintainers are adamant about the "canon" of this fictional world. I'm assuming they meant the pantheon canon, which is fine. Lets keep in mind, there are ways to maintain this canon that do not require us to abide by the idiotic tripe of third rate writers who lacked any real vision for the protagonist and his companions and wrote a series of bad cliche's.
 * Your description of Athans's work is heartwarming, but your meaning eludes me. Ville V. Kokko 21:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose what I'm saying WOTC and the FR maintainers are really disparaging literary work with regard to fantasy by dictating how the story should be. Imoen dies? Jaheira's in an unhappy marriage, because Khalid cheated on her, the protagonist cheats on her but she's accepting...I'll use the base idea for FR, but I think the maintainers have extremely limited vision.

I hope you aren't too much of a fan of the author of BG's novel too much, because I have yet to read anything coming off the old TSR press or WOTC press now, that is worth a dime. It really is some the worst reading ever. I tried reading the avatar series to gain a perspective on the background for BG. I got 1/3 into the first book and that was forcing myself. If the one paragraph I read was indicative of the novel as a whole...gawd awful crap.
 * Well, you can't expect the novel to be exactly like how you played the game, can you? The game is all about being as open-ended as possible, so everyone can create a "story" of their own - if you tried to do that with a novel, you'd have 300 pages of inconclusive beating-about-the-bush because you can't do anything meaningful with any of the characters. P.s. please remember to sign your comments by adding four tiddles ( ~ ) at the end of your message, thank you, and welcome to the wiki. Zerak talk 01:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I do think it's unfortunate... no, wait, that's not the right word, "infuriating" comes closer... how awful Athans's version of the story is (and though there are single paragraphs that do indeed reveal that all in one go, I doubt you have any real idea of just how horrible it is). But canon is canon, unfortunately.
 * And yes, Shadowdale is quite bad. Then again, what I read from R. A. Salvatore until I got fed up with his continuing witht he same characters forever was often very good. Ville V. Kokko 12:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)