Talk:List of demon lords

Style Changes
This article needs a few formatting and style changes. I will be using information from our adopted Manual of Style and the Wikipedia Manual of Style.


 * The name of the article should be boldened (Openings). There is nothing that states a proper name on a list article should be boldened, if that name redirects to the list.
 * When an article has a title/nickname including the word "the", it should not be capitalized. For example: Abraxus the Unfathomaable. (Capitalization)
 * Any article that can fulfill the three sentence rule (see Kardum) should not be redirected to a list article.

That's all I have for now. Please feel free to add any other points! Ruf (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you mean to link to WP:MOS? Which, for the record, differentiates between formatting for articles and lists. Because lists and articles serve slightly different purposes, and in this instance each section of the list is functionally a mini-article, I argue to keep the bolding. I went through several variations of bolding and not, and settled on the current version as being the best option; at the time, others (discussed in Slack) agreed with me.
 * As for the titles and capitalization of the, I follow the sources in that regard and argue strongly against changing it.
 * If you are willing to create Kardum and Eblis (demon lord), you are welcome to add the Main article template to their sections. Until then, I would prefer the redirects to stand. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing me to the correct MOS link. The page that would apply best in this instance is the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. I do not see any mention of boldening names for included redirects anywhere in the article and do not recall that conversation in Slack. Formatting and style choices for types of articles (in this case non-table lists) should always be discussed in the talk pages and incorporated into templates or the FR wiki-specific Manual of Style Cat has worked on for years.


 * Beyond the point that only an article's name should be put in bold, I personally find this article very difficult on the eyes. Considering there is no guide regarding this point, I would like to get other editors' input here. If a consensus was already reached on Slack, this talk page can record it for posterity.


 * The MOS page you linked above specifically states the should not be capitalized in the middle of a sentence. A link to a subsection regarding nicknames is included under special considerations, which also states the should not be capitalized when used for nicknames. I did not see any specifics regarding titles or honorifics, but please feel free to share any you find.


 * Personal preference does not really apply to creating redirects over red links. The research into which demon lords have Realms connections looks incomplete, as a redirect was created for Soneillon and there was a wealth of information for that article. It is important to keep red links for articles with Realms connections to inform reads and editors they need to be created. The template serves this function on list pages in which it is used.Ruf (talk) 13:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's style guidelines do not necessarily apply to our wiki, but they can be useful for figuring out best practices.
 * That being said, I agree the bolded names look distracting. The use of capitalized "The" is also distracting and probably ungrammatical. I think both of these should be changed per Ruf's suggestion above.
 * It is fine for redirects to point here if no article exists, but for Realms-related subjects this should only be a temporary solution until their respective articles are created. A redirect does not preclude the creation of a (Realms-related) article. Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Arendagrost

 * Where is stated that Arendagrost is a demon lord??Merlin wszech (talk) 09:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Reading over page 99 of Dungeon magazine 150 I do not see mention that Arendagrost is an actual demon lord, rather the offspring of two demon princes. Perhaps someone more versed in this material can offer some insight. Thank you for pointing that out!Ruf (talk) 11:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed, there's nothing I can find confirming it to be a demon lord in all its mentions in Dungeon #150. It's mentioned in Dragon magazine 290, in a Greyhawk article, but it's just a "great demon beast". ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:22, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * It isn't stated outright, but demon lords are essentially massively powerful, unique demonic entities, which Arendagrost is. Additionally, other offspring of demon princes are born as demon lords, so there is precedent for considering it as such (one or more of Graz'zt's offspring are like that). --SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)