Talk:Elven dualist

Crunchy Bits
In order to avoid the “no crunch” policy, I’m placing this section in the Talk page and not the main article.

Adding the class to 3rd Edition is disturbingly easy without losing any flavour from the 2nd Edition original and keeping fully in the rules of 3.x: Treat the dualist as a Specialist Wizard with two specializations (i.e. +2 on spellcraft checks in the two chosen schools and two extra spell slots per spell level; one for a spell of each of the two schools); in order to gain this specialization, the Dualist gives up access to FIVE other schools; since Divination cannot be a prohibited school, this means that a dualist will always have [specialization I], [specialization II], Divination and Universal. Dijakkar (Div + Conj) may select any one of the other schools in compensation (Abjuration is highly recommended for its synergy with calling conjurations). Combining other pairs of schools is NOT recommended.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled fluff… Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 22:52, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Why "prestige class"?
Why is the Elven Dualist in the category of "prestige classes"? It was a 2nd Edition "base class"; a new type of specialist wizard. Prestige Classes are a 3rd Edition creation. Just curious. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 02:35, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Spirits, I just gave it prestige class... if you want to change it or ask someone else... cool... but a wizard has to be a specific level to be one... not 1st level and it is 2nd edition... so... anyone have any ideas? Still cool page, Spirits Actually, I just read the page... it appears the level advancement it not the starting level for the dualist, but an add on for elven wizards... okay, I'll fix... undo if someone disagrees :) Darkwynters (talk) 06:56, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I didn't change it because I did not know if there was a 3.x version somewhere. It's basically a form of specialist wizard that starts at 1st level. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 13:44, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Darn; for some dumb reason (probably me) I can't seem to be able to link this page to Wizards by school (http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Wizards_by_school), which is perfect for the dualist class. Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 14:10, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Links to categories work like this: Wizards by school. Put a colon before the category or otherwise it marks the page as being in that category.&mdash;Moviesign (talk) 14:40, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I guess I didn't read this closely enough. I thought DW said this was a prestige class, but he was just guessing. I'll get rid of the (3e) version in the categories. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:36, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Dualists and the Shadow Weave
It should be noted that Nelluonkkar (Illusion and Necromancy) are particularly well-suited to be Shadow Weave users, given that the Shadow Weave strengthens spells from both schools.

--Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 15:08, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Image Change
The new image's schools are barely legible; I'd suggest we switch back to the older pic until a more legible one can be made or secured. (Disclaimer: I'm the creator of the previous pic, but it does not change the fact that the new one is barely legible.) Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 15:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It's quite legible to me, even at the thumbnail size. We're also moving away from using home-made images and fan art, and while your image was nice and useful, it could be misleading. I was under the impression it was from a genuine 3e source for a long time. This new image is more eye-catching and informative, as it also displays the symbols of the schools of magic that 5e has adopted for its Red Wizards. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It's barely legible with the Fandom interface in dark mode. You can check it out yourself. If the background is transparent, all you see of the font is the faint white outline against a dark background, which is made worse by the fact that the actual words may be upside-down. If you want, I could post a jpg of what I'm seeing so that you understand what I mean.
 * Switching to Light Mode is not an option for me due to health issues, and I'm certain that many others prefer this mode as well. Maybe you could convert the new pic to .jpg or other format without transparency?
 * I can't seem to find the Second_Edition_Schools_of_Magic_Relationships.jpg file, but IIRC it was a composition of the official FR map overlaid with the official symbol of Mystra and with the "compass rose" & text made by myself.
 * -- Sings-With-Spirits (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay, I didn't realise there was a transparency issue in dark mode. Artie has uploaded a corrected image without transparency, which should resolve the problem. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)