Template talk:Ritual

Can we merge the Ritual template with the Spell template? After all, many rituals in 4th edition are ordinary spells in other editions, which leads to some overlap of lore. The template also isn't popularly used — there are only five pages that use it: Two of which also use the Spell template, and the last is a duplicate of Speak with dead.
 * Remove affliction
 * Gentle Repose
 * Make Whole
 * Amanuensis
 * Speak with dead (ritual)

I'm currently looking at something that's a 9th-level spell in 2nd edition, an epic spell in 3rd, and a ritual in 4th, and have been wondering which infobox to use.

With a few new entries in Spell, and six pages to update, it seems like a relatively easy change. — BadCatMan (talk) 08:53, January 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * This is fine with me. If there are no objections to the merge, I volunteer. Would you like this to be a pass-through to Spell like the others, or just eliminate it altogether? Popularity notwithstanding, there are quite a few more rituals in 4th edition that no one has taken the time to document. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 21:19, January 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll do it, you do enough infobox work. :) I'll keep Ritual as a pass-through/redirect to Spell for existing discussion and pages. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:35, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, I updated Spell and subpages and tested it out on amanuensis. Let me know if you see a glaring problem. :) Later, I'll try to work out how to automate categories. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:15, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating those pass-through templates. Okay, I figure using Spell table to generate categories of the form Category:Nth-level Creation rituals would be easiest. I almost have it working, but how can I introduce a Ritual variant alongside the Discipline, Evocation, Exploit, Hex, Prayer, and Channel Divinity Prayer we have for the 4e spells? It's still defaulting to "spells". — BadCatMan (talk) 05:53, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * You just needed to update the Power plural template (which I apparently neglected to document, sorry about that). It's used at the very top of the template to set the pluralform variable, which is used everywhere else to generate category names. I went ahead and made the change. I also added category and skill parameters because we have non-edition params for everything else, so I thought we should stay consistent. A type of "ritual" now modifies the infobox like it does for the other 4th edition types. Let me know if you find anything amiss. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 17:28, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Aha! Thanks so much for sorting that all out for me. Is it possible to also add Category:Nth-level rituals (4e), with no ritual category included? I figure this would also be required, given the way they're organised. Also, can we have simply Category:Rituals (4e)? I realised the other editions have ritual-like activities (e.g., Lords of Darkness), though they are less well-defined, and I think distinguishing the edition may become useful. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:06, January 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Category:Rituals (4e) was an easy change, but note that we do not put (4e) after the other types, e.g., Category:At-will prayers (4e), so this fix is not consistent. That's okay if we're treating Rituals differently than the other types, I just want people to be aware of this behavior and discuss if necessary. (EDIT: To get the category to show up, you need to set type4e to "Ritual".) The other change requires modifying the spell table template, and presents a few questions. Do you want to treat Rituals like we now treat Spheres and Domains? That doesn't seem to be the case, but I want to be sure before hacking the template. So for Speak with dead do you want all three of these: Category:Exploration rituals (4e), Category:4th-level exploration rituals (4e), and Category:4th-level rituals (4e)? Also, do you want to have pages for the various types of rituals, like we do for Domains and Spheres? This would require specifying the ritual category this way:


 * It's not necessary, but this would allow the same or similar logic to be used to generate the extra category. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 17:15, January 4, 2015 (UTC)