Talk:Deep gnome

The Svirfneblin race does not have facial hair. How possibly Belwar can have a beard? - 88.234.168.103


 * I had a look at some sources. It looks like older sources (Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark*, Monster Manual 3.5) have male svirfneblin as bald, but say nothing about beards. Later sources (Races of Faerûn, Underdark (sourcebook)) make them entirely bald and beardless. It looks like they might have lost their hair over the editions.


 * * The given image of Belwar Dissengulp comes from DDGttUD. It also shows svirfneblin with moustaches.


 * Note that female svirfneblin generally have hair in all sources. — BadCatMan (talk) 08:50, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, the Fiend Folio 1st edition describes deep gnomes as having "grey eyes and tend to be bald." &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:03, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

5th edition weight
The section for  Svirfneblin in 5th edition Sword Coast Adventures Guide lists their avarage weight as between 80 to 120 pounds. Is this a typo?


 * I hope so, because that is an absurdly heavy mass for a small creature! ~ Lhynard (talk) 13:28, October 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't believe it is a typo — it also appears in other 5e material, such as Elemental Evil. Dwarves, which are approximately a foot higher than svirfneblin weigh about 150 lbs, which scales about right. Also, it even specifically mentions this difference on page 115 in SCAG. "The svirfneblin subrace has the gnome traits in the Player's Handbook, plus the subrace traits below. Unlike other gnomes, svirfneblin tend to be neutral, they weigh 80 to 120 pounds, and they reach maturity at 25 and live 200 to 250 years." ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 14:25, October 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * In addition to Elemental Evil, the 5e Monster Manual (p. 164) lists them as 100 to 120 pounds (and a speed of 20 feet). Should this heavier weight be noted under Physical Description? Adoxos (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmm, are halflings (and other gnome races) also comparatively heavy in 5th edition? If not, maybe deep gnomes are meant to have a higher density due to a mystical connection to the earth? Their bodies are supposedly hard as rock, after all, and one legend claims gnomes in general were created from gems. Just speculating... Daranios (talk) 18:11, October 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * That makes a bit more sense, yes. ~ Lhynard (talk) 02:29, October 8, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sure Adoxos, it would be great if this was noted. That should be based on the Sword Coast Adventure's Guide (which I don't have, so I can't add it myself), which I think is the most recent Realms source and therefore ranks highest in our source hierarchy. (While the older Races of Faerûn would actually trump the more recent but general D&D source, 5e Monster Manual.) Ideally, the discrepancies to older sources should be noted in a footnote. Daranios (talk) 10:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)