User talk:Wwuviking

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Pronunciation changes
Hello. I have blocked you to save unnecessary effort. The alterations you have been making to the pronunciation templates need to be backed up by sources. The lettering, whether correct or not (often it indeed does not follow IPA at all) is given in the sources and this Wiki follows those as canon. There should be no unsourced changes, unless there is a good reason, such as removing ambiguities, and always followed by explanatory notes. Please do not alter or remove verified content. You will be unblocked when you acknowledge this message. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 16:14, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * All right, well, regardless of that odd policy, can you unblock me so I can do other kinds of (sourced) edits? Wwuviking (talk) 16:27, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for replying. The block was lifted.


 * In the future, rather than making large numbers of changes that affect many pages, you may want to discuss changes to the wiki policy in our Forum. You may better present your argument for changing the pronunciation template (or anything else) there. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 16:33, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I am still blocked from uploading images. Could this be lifted? See, for example, the page I just created, abrian, for which I have an image. Wwuviking (talk) 21:49, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm confused. I just created the "abrian" page without problem, but now I am unable to edit that same page, because it says you have blocked me. Wwuviking (talk) 21:54, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hmm, there seems to be an odd caching issue at play here. Can you edit the page now? I removed a secondary block of your IP address just now. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 21:58, July 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * That worked. Thank you. Wwuviking (talk) 22:37, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

References for "based on"?
Do you actually have proof of the things you are claiming in the "based on" sections that you've been adding? Some of them are obvious, like Greek mythology, since the original sourcebooks stated that it was taken from there. But what proof do you have that Magros was based on a poem by Benjamin Disraeli, for example? The link to wikipedia does not contain the word "Magros" and does not explain anything about devils. We try to reference everything on this wiki so readers can verify the lore themselves. Please provide evidence of your claims, at least the ones that are not obvious. Otherwise, they will be marked as Speculation or removed. If it requires an explanation, then add a Note that will appear in the appendix. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:14, July 19, 2020 (UTC)


 * The content team feels that you are adding many incorrect or baseless claims with your latest series of edits (although some of them are fine). I blocked you to get your attention. Please address the concerns mentioned above and I will unblock you. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:50, July 19, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm sorry to have stirred the pot. I thought I was adding only ones that were obvious. Magros is one of two demons (along with Lyridon) who appear in the court of Demogorgon in Benjamin Disraeli's The Revolutionary Epick. Also I see Zariel has been removed; Zariel is the spelling used in the demon lists of Gustav Davidson's Dictionary of Angels for the Mandaean Zahriel, who is discussed on Ptahil (deity), which is what I linked. Granted, these two are some of the more obscure ones. But is it really true that I have created more problematic edits than helpful edits in the "based on" section? I have not intentionally tried to provide any guesswork, just clear equivalencies. (For example, it is not clear enough that Bhaal is based on Baal, so I did not add that.) I would like to continue to add ones that seem obvious, and of course if you or anyone else disagrees with them, they can be removed; if necessary, I can try to avoid more obscure ones for especially obvious equivalencies (such as ones that have primary Wikipedia pages and unmistakable affinity). But the majority should be quite clearcut, and it is not my intent to add any stretches. Wwuviking (talk) 23:45, July 19, 2020 (UTC)


 * The main problem is that sometimes links to wikipedia are not enough to prove a connection. I wanted to know what source you had for the Magros claim and your link told me nothing. This casts suspicion on all the other edits, you see? As long as you provide good references that can be verified by the viewing public, the additions can stay. I'll let the other editors explain why they had an issue with whatever they reverted. Feel free to use the Talk page of any article where you want to discuss changes. The regular editors of this wiki are all thoughtful, reasonable, and educated people (in my experience) and we welcome new editors as long as they edit in good faith and adhere to our policies. You have already provided some valuable additions to the wiki (thank you) so please don't be put off by minor course corrections. We all had to start somewhere. Your block has been lifted. Carry on. :) &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:30, July 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll add that some of these are redundant, as some pages already have links to Wikipedia originals in External Links or the connection is discussed in more detail in Background, both subsections of the Appendix. For example, Poseidon already has an External Link, and the real-world inspirations for the padhrasattvas are discussed in Padhra and Padhran religion. Others weren't very specific: you linked Padhrasattva of Pilgrims to bodhisattva, but is there a specific bodhisattva intended, or all of them? What about Furo and Byubo? Some were not really based on anything: batrachi is just a definition from a scientific term. One might as well as say lizardfolk are based on lizards. It can also misleading: "Based on: Greek βάτραχοι (batrakhoi)" takes the term back too far and could be taken to mean there is a frog monster of ancient Greek mythology the batrachi is based on, which is not the case. The definition of the name was already discussed in the Appendix.


 * I am all in favour of linking to the inspirations and origins of these, and already did so when I wrote those articles. But it needs to be more judiciously handled. The "Based on" entry was intended for linking centaurs to centaurs, and not all sources of inspiration easily go there. If you want to do this, maybe you could briefly discuss that Disraeli story in a Background section of the Appendix of the relevant pages? That would be more interesting and eye-catching to readers. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:15, July 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * About including those "based on" and "first appearance" fields in non-creature infoboxes, please be aware that, if you wish to change a template on this wiki and add the field, you need to first make a proposal in the Forum. Do not make such a major change to any template without discussing it with the community first. For now, I have reverted your change to the templates. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 23:15, July 21, 2020 (UTC)