Category talk:Locations in Zakhara

Geographical regions of Zakhara
As I am a fan of definitions I would like to clear up a few questions about the recently created "geographical regions" (i. e. defined by geographic direction) like Nortwest Zakahra:
 * Are these regions meant to be inclusive (e. g. are Category:Locations in Northwest Zakhara and Category:Locations in Southwest Zakhara contained within Category:Locations in West Zakhara), or exclusive (meaning those three regions are adjacent to each other and not overlapping)?
 * Where do we (approximately) draw the borders of those regions?
 * What is the relation of those regions to the, let's say, "cultural regions" (i. e. Pearl Cities): Do the "geographical regions" replace those, do we put the "cultural regions" in fitting "geographical" ones, or do we just use both alongside each other? To help discussions, Zakhara-Cultural-Regions.png shows a sketch of what I have in the back of my mind as borders for the "cultural regions" (with Sahu and Afyal being part of both the Cities of the Ancients and the Crowded Sea). Daranios (talk) 20:38, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * There was talk that someone might be able to place "boundary" lines on a map of the entire continent of Zakhara so we would be able to clearly see where "Northwest Zakhara" began, etc.


 * My preference would be to have these regions (Northwest Zakhara, etc) to be inclusive so we can have more of tiered breakdown for a given location so we could list them "Big" to "Small." An example could be Hawa broken down as: Locations in Zakhara, Locations in Northwest Zakhara, Locations in the Corsair Domains, Locations in the Genie's Turban.Artemas Entreri (talk) 21:10, May 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, yeah I am glad the three of us started a conversation on this :)

Using the Faerûn directional cats, I would say they do not overlap. It will be too confusing, though I think certain locations which are on the borders can be in both P.S. I really think the Zakharan seas needs to be broken up into each sea, just like all the Faerûn seas and oceans. Thoughts? - Darkwynters (talk) 23:14, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Northwest: Corsair Domains and Great Sea (I was thinking of adding Qudra to Muluk, but now I think that might be too confusing.
 * 2) North: all cities north of the Furrowed Mountains (includes the Free Cities of Zakhara and Great Sea.
 * 3) Northeast: Lands of the Yak Men to Yehimal Mountains.
 * 4) West: High Desert, Pearl Cities, Golden Gulf and Suq Bay.
 * 5) Interior: Cities of the Heart, Cities of the Pantheon, the Haunted Lands, Golden Gulf and Suq Bay.
 * 6) East: Cities of the Ancients, Sahu, Afyal and Foreign Sea
 * 7) Southwest: Djinni's Claws, Al-Sartan and Crowded Sea
 * 8) South: Steaming Isles and Crowded Sea
 * 9) Southeast: Bariya and Crowded Sea


 * Sounds basically good to me. To visualize, I have again made a sketch here. A few points about details:
 * I have made dashed lines for the two versions for "Northwest" and "North". Neither fits too well with an imagined 3x3 grid laid over Zakhara, so I am wondering if we should just make it all "Northwest" and have no "North"? (Or we could also split apart the Free Cities and the Haunted Lands both, to get a "North" that fits better into an imagined 3x3 grid.)
 * I tend towards including the whole Suq Bay in "Interior", but splitting it in half is also fine with me.
 * I have included Nada al-Hazan under "South", and Harab under "Southeast". Do you agree?
 * In case of a "cultural region" being larger than a directional category, do we include the cultural one in all fitting geographical ones, like the example of the Crowded Sea?
 * I made Zakharan seas as a summary heading as I did not have/collect enough about each sea to beat the 3 Sentence Rule. If someone expands the content accordingly the article can be split, until then I personally am happy with the way it is now. Daranios (talk) 19:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow, Daranios you basically read my mind with the regions... on to questions:
 * This was my greatest conflict... to be easy I feel we should just have the slanted dashes which have the Free Cities in the north and the Corsair Domains in northwest... seems easier to explain... my two cents
 * As for Suq Bay... I was seeing it as being in both since it touches two regions
 * Yes, I completely see Nada al-Hazan is south... I had Harab in southwest, but I like your idea for it to be in southeast :)
 * Yes... if the Cities of the Pantheon are in two regions, they should be included in each category
 * Totally cool on seas, though I can see Art going crazy and creating them :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:07, May 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I do like to go crazy with things on here. :D Assuming I can get my hands on the material (sourcebooks), I do plan on expanding just about everything related to Zakhara. I like all of the above ideas regarding the location breakdowns but don't have access to Cities of Bone or Ruined Kingdoms yet; so can't comment on those. Lastly, do you guys know if any sourcebook has any info on the Islands of the Utter South? Artemas Entreri (talk) 16:04, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * As there were no objections I have updated the sketch of geographical regions to Darkwynters' suggested distinction between northwest and north Zakhara.
 * I think there are no informations on the Islands of the Utter South anywhere, sad to say. Golden Voyages, where they would fit thematically, to my knowledged makes no mention of them (except showing them on the maps), and describes the second-most remote group of islands, the Steaming Isles as virtually unexplored by mainlanders, so I assume the same would be true for the Islands of the Utter South. Speaking of which, does anyone know if there is more info about Bariya and Harab? I have shunted older content of these articles to the talk pages, because I think it was homebrew. Would be nice if there was more. Daranios (talk) 20:23, May 29, 2015 (UTC)