Talk:Baldur's Gate III

I can't find any information that a BG3 is anything more than a vague plan that didn't pan out years ago. I don't think we can support an article on it. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:47, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Luckily, we have some information on a game of the same title now. ;) ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 18:06, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha! And nowadays I think, sure, we can have an article on that! :D ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 10:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

In Game Date
I can't figure out how to edit it myself, but even though the Tollhouse Ledger includes Uktar, the dialogue history tab for the player view places in game day 1 of Baldur's Gate 3 on 21 Eleasis. This either suggests that the ledger is wrong or the game itself takes place in 1493 not 1492. Or it's just conflicting information and the game does start on 21 Eleasis 1492. ~ RoseOfStone (talk) 00:08, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


 * There's more evidence that the ledger is wrong or out of date, and that the game is set some time later. Astarion's gravestone, seen here in the Thorass alphabet reads:
 * Astarion Ancunin
 * 229–268 DR
 * This is apparently two centuries ago. To this, he adds the date of his freedom as a rebirth:
 * 498 DR
 * This is scratchy, but the 8 has no alternative in Thorass. Since BG3 clearly isn't taking place a thousand years earlier, it's likely the leading 1 has been dropped for convenience (similar to how some stardates are written in Star Trek). So it seems BG3 begins on Eleasis 21, the . The ledger from the ruined tollhouse may simply be out of date and ambiguously written, implying only that the tollhouse was ruined in 1492 DR.


 * This 1498 date would be very useful, as, given BG3's referencing of Elturel's fall, the 1492 date was forcing Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus to take place in that year, in contravention of Zariel's contract. Without that, 1494 (or later) becomes possible. How long have these tiefling refugees been hanging out at the druid grove?


 * Apparently, Wyll Ravengard is 24 years old, and when he was 17, Ulder Ravengard went to Elturel. Assuming 6/7 years have passed, this could be Ulder's fateful visit to Elturel, albeit in 1492 but supporting a 1498 DR date for BG3. OTOH, it could simply be an earlier, less hellish bit of diplomacy. So I wouldn't take this as conclusive dating evidence, only supporting.


 * It also aligns with our estimates of Honor Among Thieves being later in the 1490s. Assuming they're contemporaneous, we could pin the movie to earlier that year (the High Sun Games also suggesting Eleasis, a.k.a. Highsun). Unfortunately, there's little if anything to connect HAT and BG3, unless the Caldwells make an appearance.


 * I haven't played BG3 however and am going off secondhand info on the wikis, so someone check my work here, please. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 13:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

I have played a full playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3, including participating in 2.5 years of Early Access. My shots of the cut scene with Astarion's gravestone, the "4" is sketchy at best - compared to how clearly the curves of the 9 and 8 register - and could be a poorly scratched in "2", which would make Astarion correcting his tombstone to begin again at his death year (since he rose as a vampire) and not a "this is the first day of the rest of my life" moment. Either way, Larian state in their Story and Lore FAQ that BG3 is set immediately after the events of Descent Into Avernus, which is cited as taking place in 1492 DR on the Descent Into Avernus page in this very wiki re: when Descent into Avernus takes place, as stated by the developers of the module and the sequel video game, BG3.

You are correct, there is no connection between Honor Among Thieves and Baldur's Gate 3. Therefore when the film is set is irrelevant to when the game is set. We also know that Wyll's father Ulder returned pretty quickly to the city and promptly kicked Wyll out, as his pact with Mizora was new and it was only after he'd been disowned by his father that Wyll traveled the countryside and forged himself into the Blade of Frontiers. Even if Ulder was gone long enough for Wyll to turn 18, he wasn't gone and Wyll was not left in charge of Baldur's Gate for 6 to 7 years, that just doesn't match up and has no grounding in how the game treats him. Wyll says it's been years since he was back in Baldur's Gate upon the party's return to the city in Act 3.

I hope that helps clarify my position. ~ RoseOfStone (talk) 22:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * On Astarion's date, the PC Gamer article I found it at says "to celebrate his newfound freedom almost two centuries later", so I gather it's meant to be a current date. While there are other possibilities for that scratch, a 4 seems more likely – the game being set in 149-something isn't in doubt.


 * The wiki only dates Descent into Avernus to 1492 DR because of Baldur's Gate III. If BG3 happens to have another date, and if we exclude some faulty or less-conclusive information, then DiA would have the same date. So BG3 is the linchpin of continuity and chronology here.


 * I meant that it's been 6/7 years since Wyll was kicked out, not that Ulder was gone 6/7 years. I was wondering if this linked up with anything in Ulder's timeline, but I'm not aware of anything else.


 * In any case, it appears there is other evidence for the 1492 DR date in BG3:


 * Baldur's Mouth 1492 DR Issue 83 – an old issue, but I guess not that old.
 * The Urge quest – an NPC "died summer 1492 DR." and definitely referring to game events. Summer supports Eleasis, not autumnal Uktar.
 * Diary, 1492 DR, Ffion Goldgrind
 * Grove Annals – up to "Uktar, Year of Three Ships Sailing, 1492 Dale Reckoning", recent events
 * Contractor's Record – another 1492 DR date.
 * Orin's Manifesto – dated "13 Uktar 1482"
 * So, yeah, at this point, we have an embarrassment of evidence for a 1492 date, though the game could go for either Eleasis or Uktar in equal measure. Eleasis seems more likely given the sunny summery scenery. I like 1498, as it would solve other dating issues, but it's just not supported, sadly. :-( ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 09:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * PS: For the record, the Tollhouse Ledger (found under the Order of the Gauntlet's makeshift base in Act I) used initially reads (can't find it on the BG3 wiki):
 * [A ledger containing the details of a tollhouse's takings for the current year, 1492 DR...]
 * Events for 9 and 12 Marpenoth and 2 and 3 Uktar follow, up to:
 * 3 Uktar: sent courier to request extra guards or relief.
 * That's also fairly conclusive. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 10:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Descent into Avernus isn't only cited as being set in 1492 because of BG3, but because of the tweet linked in the Note on that page, from a (now former) WotC dev on Twitter (now X), just for clarity on that point.


 * Re: Astarion's emotion in the scene where he corrects his gravestone, I would say the intention is open to interpretation by the viewer, so could go either way in terms of the date he carves, which if he is carving (1)498 is still, based on the evidence you've also shared, the incorrect year, unfortunately. Maybe he just likes the neatness of rounding instead of not being able to say "I was dead for 200 years before I lived again", versus a more precise 194 years? Either way.
 * In relation to the Baldur's Mouth 1492 DR Issue 83 being not that old, they come out either daily or every other daily and in my experience you can buy Issue 85 or 86 upon entering the city in Act 3 of Baldur's Gate 3.
 * An additional in game NPC, Shirra Clarwen, associated with the Help the Mad Monk quest, is referred to as having "passed last year" and the plaque on her sarcophagus reads her death date as 1491.

I also wanted to thank you for adding the date discrepancy to the wiki page! The coding had confused me and I didn't wanna screw anything up. ~ RoseOfStone (talk) 11:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, Adam Lee's tweet is the faulty/less-conclusive information I was referring to. Since it's only an after-the-fact statement on social media, in response to a flawed question (1491 or 1492 is a choice of two bad answers), and ignored the logical questions, it can be superseded by more concrete information.


 * Thanks for the Shirra evidence. It looks like Baldur's Gate III is now the most well-dated thing since 3 edition. :D And no problem, the note is a separate template so we can use it on stacks of other pages. ~ BadCatMan, Chief Scribe 11:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)