User talk:Artyom.pavlov

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— BadCatMan (talk) 14:22, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Welcome & Advice
Hi! Welcome to the wiki. I've followed up on a number of your edits to fix things up and use our citation templates, such as Cite book/Plague of Spells/MMP. You can see how it works here. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:43, August 13, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks. I saved the template. (i was using the "citation" function embedded in the edit window.) Do i need to cite the exact page or chapter for each? Artyom.pavlov (talk) 15:10, August 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't know what citation function that is, but the Visual Editor is, frankly, absolutely useless for this wiki, especially with citation templates. Please have a look at the Source Editor, which will show you how all the wiki markup works, without breaking things. :)


 * For more information about citations, see Help:Citing sources.


 * Yes, please include the page number so others can find the information as well. Chapter numbers are also useful to include in novels.


 * Good night from me, and good luck with any more edits you make. The other admins will be available to help you if you have queries or issues. — BadCatMan (talk) 15:44, August 14, 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah i've figured the source works much better (especially after I try to edit and accidentally delete half the work done, reset, and abandon the edit out of frustration). Thanks for being helpful and patient while I learn the engine. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 16:01, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

Warning on copied text
Hi. Thanks for your work, but please try to rephrase the text further away from the source material. While there has been some changes, it is still close enough to the original text that it can be seen as plagiarism. For example, from Damien Morienus, "They sucked the life energy from the mage, causing him to become an undead crypt thing." is little different from "The demons sucked the life energy from the mage, causing him to become an undead crypt thing." There are many lines like this. Perhaps you could consider more alternate words and phrases, restructuring how the information is presented, and changing the focus. For example, "Damien was attacked in his meditation chamber, with the demons draining his life until he became a crypt thing." — BadCatMan (talk) 08:41, November 26, 2019 (UTC)

Apologies, and it won't happen again. Will make sure to paraphrase going forward. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 14:58, November 26, 2019 (UTC)

Hey BacCatMan, just wanted to flag something for you that i caught. The edits that list page number in Plague of spells edits I've made are using ebook pages, which means they need to be changed as the page count changes with the font size. BUT! the chapter number is accurate. Apologies for the inconsistency. Unless someone wants to handle, i will take care of that once i get a moment (i do edits from that book while  at work), and probably once i am writing the synopsis of the book.

Artyom.pavlov (talk) 04:35, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Edited Damien Moreinous page. please let me know if further rephrasing is needed. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 00:07, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Rutterkin and Greetings
Heyo. A few things. One, as the guy whose been cleaning up most of the fiendish pages, thnks for adding and contributing (especially the dretch picture I always forgot about and finally adding a rutterkin page). The other thing was a brief bit of advice on the purpose of certain tabs. Description is physical description, not personality. You add personality for that. Abiltiies and Combat are typically separated. When you add in specific individuals you add a notable individuals, headline, rather than put them under society.

Cheers.Vegepygmy (talk) 03:15, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Noted. yeah this is still WIP page, just adding and editing all the lore i can find the first step. Editing and making presentable after. I hate missing thing so i go book by book to get things added before diving into granularity (or letting someone who is good at editing making changes.) ... i think Rutterkin is done now, just needs some edits.

Artyom.pavlov (talk) 04:03, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Outside of seperating ecology (half of it belongs in history) then no you're good.Vegepygmy (talk) 04:15, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Does that work? There's not much to add really from what i could find... Artyom.pavlov (talk) 04:26, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

also i added Vorr page today, in care you need to add them to the fiends category.Artyom.pavlov (talk) 04:44, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Image Uploads
Your last several images do not have the required Information template filled in, including mandatory source and licensing information. Please go back to all your images and provide the missing information and add categories or else the images may be deleted. See File:Anatomy of the dretch.jpg for an example of how it is supposed to be done, and let me know if you need any assistance. ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:09, January 19, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hiya, i updated the images with the info i knew. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 00:06, January 20, 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for looking into this so quickly! For the The Accursed Tower ones, go ahead and use the Fairuse tag for licensing. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:42, January 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * Done! Artyom.pavlov (talk) 20:03, January 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * Done! Artyom.pavlov (talk) 20:03, January 20, 2020 (UTC)

Novel Indices
It's exciting that you are going through and adding a synopsis and index to Plague of Spells. However, could you please follow the index format used on this page: Mistress of the Night (novel)? We have a special template (P) that automatically creates an alphabetical index with page numbers when  is used somewhere on the page. Also, use the  character so that the index does not take up so much space.

Thanks for the great work so far!

~ Lhynard (talk) 19:13, January 30, 2020 (UTC)

Got it. The index is complete so I will edit now!

Artyom.pavlov (talk) 19:20, January 30, 2020 (UTC)

Quote Fix
There seems to be something wrong with the quote on the Asp article. It's missing words, or punctuation, or both. Could you take a look, please? &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:07, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

crap, will do so now. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 22:18, February 17, 2020 (UTC) "Even though she had used the same words, the spell wasn’t working as it had when Maligor cast it. This darkenbeast was too big and was retaining many of its weasel featuresits hind legs, ears, stubby tail, and round, frightened eyes. Its skin was covered with festering boils, as if the thing were diseased. For a moment, the naga considered calling for the Red Wizard, hoping he could correct her miscast magic. Then she realized he would be angry because she had cast a spell he had not yet taught her." looks fine? Artyom.pavlov (talk) 22:21, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Lake Umber
Lake Umber is mentioned on pp. 151, 158, 169, 170 in Unapproachable East, as well as on p. 42 of the Campaign Guide included in the Spellbound boxed set. The lake can also be seen on the Spellbound map. Happy scribing! --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 09:01, February 20, 2020 (UTC) awesomundo! hope its enough for an entry. Red Magic has little to no info on it! Artyom.pavlov (talk) 09:13, February 20, 2020 (UTC)

Pointers
Hi! I wanted to point out some corrections I've been making to your articles. Most recently, the Master Mariners' Guild. You can see my revisions here (I know, I made a typo, I fixed it).

First, apostrophes. There are two kinds, which I'll call curly (’) and straight ('). They're more noticeable in the editing window. Curly apostrophes are used in certain fonts, word-processing programs, and books. Straight apostrophes tend to appear in coding, such as on the wiki. If you copy a name from the book or Word document, it may carry a curly apostrophe. However, if you type in the name, it'll use the straight apostrophe. The wiki code can't distinguish these, so Master Mariners’ Guild and Master Mariners' Guild point to different pages. Please try to check and use only the straight apostrophe.

Second, once you've made a reference like you can repeat it thereafter with just (note the extra slash). This reduces length and improves readability of wiki code.

Third, we tend to avoid including nicknames and titles in article names for characters, hence I changed Jheldarr “Stormrunner” Boaldegg (also a case of curly quotes) to just Jheldarr Boaldegg and Jheldarr "Stormrunner" Boaldegg where appropriate.

I hope these help. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:22, March 12, 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey thanks for the apostrophes clarification, never honestly noticed.


 * References - THANK YOU! the extra slash is why I couldn't make it work on my own. Will make things easier for everyone going forward.


 * The nicknames - got it. Actually related question: I started putting info together for Eidola of Neverwinter entry. Should I keep of Neverwinter part? or just use the first name?


 * Artyom.pavlov (talk) 01:32, March 12, 2020 (UTC)


 * I'd say just use "Eidola" for simplicity. Her parents probably didn't name her "of Neverwinter", after all. It's only used twice in the book and seems more a way of filling out her title. And there isn't another Eidola on the wiki.


 * BTW, I indented your post and mine, it's a common convention to distinguish messages on wiki Talk pages. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:05, March 12, 2020 (UTC)

A Useful Link
Hello, thought I'd mention this, but as you seem to have been doing quite a few Fiend Folio 1st edition images and creatures recently, I thought you might find this link useful. A while back, someone started some sort of online blog featuring the Fiend Folio among other things, and the images are pretty high quality. No worries if you don't want to use the link. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?search/882945/&page=7 (Just copy and paste, as far as I'm aware. Sorry if it doesn't work, I'm not very good with computers generally).

The other quick thing is that I'd appreciate it if you used the system when uploading and image rather than simply adding brackets, it just looks better usually.Jacktoland (talk) 08:57, March 22, 2020 (GMT)

With hindsight, this one is probably preferable. Just search under the user Leonaru to  get images from the Fiend Folio.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?search/

Utter East
Hi! I wanted to say I'm glad you're working on the Double Diamond Triangle Saga. I've read the first and wanted to cover the others for my own Utter East project, but the original books are impossible to find and they've always been so mysterious to the fandom. To maybe help support your additions when you get there, I've returned to the Utter East myself, back to covering the Blood & Magic game that was the basis for the DDTS, Faces of Deception, and other hints of the region.

If you have the DDTS books, have you seen this Utter East map? It first appeared on the Candlekeep website, it's floated around the Internet for ages, but no one can confirm which novel or whatever it comes from. It's not in the original Faces of Deception like some claim, I just checked that. Is it one of the DDTS books?

BTW, there is some bad news: the DDTS novels were sneakily declared non-canon, that is, "Apocrypha / Volo's Attempts at Fiction", at this chronology on the WotC site: "Presenting . . . Seven Millennia of Realms Fiction". Ironically, that was back in 2001, before Khelben died in 1374 in Blackstaff published in 2006, which contradicted him being alive in The Abduction in 1377. I think we can neglect that, that is, the DDTS novels are still worth us covering, regardless of their status, and we don't know which bits are false. At some point, I'll create a stock note to explain their apocryphal status to explain it. — BadCatMan (talk) 06:04, April 21, 2020 (UTC)


 * Heya, I actually have only 3 first novels in my collection - still hunting down the rest. Yeah, that map IS from DDTS, book 3 The Mercenaries. I think the biggest problem with these novels is the year. These books take place after Blackstaff's death, after Aleena's departure for the planes, and right before Paladinson's death. I also noticed quite a few typos in names in the books - basically, I am sure the editors were asleep during this project, even though Ed Greenwood was one of the authors. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 12:26, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

Dragonfire
Hi! I just finished adding all the expansions and other minutia to the Dragonfire page. If you'd like, could you finish up the index? I haven't added characters or items. No rush! --Regis87 (talk) 15:55, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. i can start working on items tomorrow. There not a lot of named characters in it and character cards are just class and race. I will check the adventure summaries to make sure nothing is lost. You did a great job with the page!Artyom.pavlov (talk) 20:27, May 16, 2020 (UTC)

Category Question
What is the evidence that Giogioni Wyvernspur lived in Immersea? And I presume you meant to add the same category to Cat (person)? The text of the article should explain that they lived in that location. Passing through doesn't count, they have to have spent significant time there, or be likely to be found there. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 02:40, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * The Wyvern's Spur book (ch 1 + the final chapter). Redstone Castle in Immersea as per Azure Bonds and The Wyvern's Spur. The book ends in the marriage, Cat lives with Giogi.Artyom.pavlov (talk) 02:45, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

Fair Use Images
I edited and replaced the File:Immersea Map - The Wyvern's Spur.png you uploaded because it was too good to claim Fair Use. It had three strikes against it: As a general rule, if the image is so good that people don't have to buy the book, then we can't really claim Fair Use. Sometimes it is a gray area that we have to navigate, but that's a good place to start. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 22:48, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) It was a complete map, not an excerpt.
 * 2) The map key generally must be removed because that is copyrighted text.
 * 3) The image was waaaay too high a resolution, especially for web purposes.
 * And there i was trying to photoshop and straighten the scan's imperfection from a bent book page lol. Thanks for letting me know, will edit going forward.Artyom.pavlov (talk) 23:03, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, sad we can't preserve these old novel maps. The books have been out of print for decades, ebooks do not come with them, and of course, they can't be on the audiobook version. the only way of getting hold of them is the grey area of buying used books for a couple of bucks... sigh.Artyom.pavlov (talk) 23:08, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

Slack
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 * Woof, unexpected. that's awesome!Artyom.pavlov (talk) 17:18, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

DELFEN
I want inform you that Delfen Yellowknife was a duplicate page of Delfen Ondabarl
 * Thx, i'll merge them later tonight. Artyom.pavlov (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The Mercenaries
You plan to finish to add more members of the Mercenaries after Kurthe Lornar???
 * Eventually. For now I can only add Brinda as he died in the following book and her story is over. For the, rest - need to continue reading/indexing the series. Why? Artyom.pavlov (talk) 19:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Really simply because I'm curious about this story (some years ago I had searched about but found little info in my country) and I hope you continue when you have all the info. User:Unknown user 11
 * yeah, def will be adding more down the road.Artyom.pavlov (talk) 23:27, 7 December 2020 (UTC)