Talk:Hakeashar

Lost Empires of Faerûn claims that these are exactly the same thing as nishruu. Is there a clear source that explains the distinction? This article says that it is the hands and mouths, but normal nishruu have those also. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:23, May 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * They are very similar, as hakeshar are subspecies of nishruu. Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerûn states "a subspecies of nishruu, the hakeashar, is found in the Old Empires of Mulhorand, Unther, and Chessenta. It is identical with the nishruu in all ways except its appearance: Hundreds of grasping hands, probing eyes, and gaping, hungry mouths within the red mists of the creature's body give it a much more horrific appearance." There are two separate spells to summon them, and only more powerful mages could summon hakeashar. Despite similarities, they are different enough to be two separate pages, and I don't think they should be merged. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 22:32, May 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah, Lost Empires of Faerûn changes/clarifies things and calls the one a different name for the other. One might argue that the newer sourcebook trumps the earlier source, but the two separate summoning spells is also a good argument. I don't know; I could go either way on this. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:37, May 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * Apart from Lost Empires of Faerûn, all other sources that mention both of these creatures state that they are not the same. Including the sources above, Monstrous Compendium Annual Volume Two states that "hakeashar are relatives of the nishruu". Lost Empires of Faerûn does not claim that hakeashar are exactly the same thing as nishruu, it simply says "In the Old Empires of Mulhorand, Unther, and Chessenta, the nishruu is known as a hakeashar". That doesn't mean that they are identical, just that they are called the same as another creature, which may be incorrect. As a real world example, bison are commonly known as buffalo in America, but they are only relatives to the actual buffalo. "In America, the bison is known as a buffalo". For these reasons, I'd say we keep the pages as they are, and do not merge them. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:01, May 3, 2020 (UTC)


 * Great points! You've convinced me. ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:04, May 3, 2020 (UTC)