Talk:Icons of the Realms

Explicit non-Realms content
I'm not so sure if we should include settings that have no relations to the Forgotten Realms or even core Dungeons & Dragons. I can understand sets with even minor relations, but how about the set of Mythic Oddysseys of Theros miniatures? We don't have the sourcebook detailed on the wiki, so I can't imagine the use of listing its miniatures. I see that these sets are coloured grey, but there doesn't seem to be a note to normal wiki users about what this means. Any thoughts about this? ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 22:51, August 17, 2020 (UTC)


 * I favor including them mainly for two reasons: first, given the interconnected nature of 5e, some of the creatures or characters might end up appearing in a Realms context at some point; second (and possibly more relevant), all these sets have generic non-setting-specific monsters that end up making them at least partially interesting to catalog, so we might as well have the whole thing.


 * To identify the sets that are primarily from a non-Realms setting, the color scheme follows the one from the tables of the AD&D Trading Cards page, but I neglected to explain that on the page. I will add a key, similarly to the one that page has.


 * Thoughts? ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 03:30, August 18, 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sir Whiteout. In addition to the points he raised, I think the notion of "completing the set" applies in this context. That's the rationale we used for covering all the factions of Sigil, even the ones with no apparent Realms connection. I would also like to raise the case of the AD&D Trading Cards, where we cover all of the cards regardless of setting. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 07:39, August 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * It's a lot clearer as the key is added now. You claim that this is the rationale we used for covering all the factions of Sigil, but we didn't even make pages for these. I also remember talking about only covering those with Realms relations, though the history is lost to the inaccessible Slack archives.


 * The AD&D Trading Cards is a completely different case, as we cover all the sets (they each contain explicit Forgotten Realms material). The 1991 series, 1992 series, 1992 GenCon promo set, 1993 series, and the rare sets, all contain explicit Forgotten Realms material. These miniature sets such as Mythic Oddysseys of Theros do not contain any specific Forgotten Realms material. As far as I can tell, there's not a single Forgotten Realms character in either the Guildmasters' Guide to Ravnica set, Eberron: Rising from the Last War set, or the aforementioned set.


 * I don't think "completing the set" should ever apply to non-Realms or non-core material, especially when its entirely unrelated. We don't even have the previously mentioned sourcebooks in the sourcebook lists, etc, so having them for miniatures seems extremely redundant... ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 15:09, August 18, 2020 (UTC)


 * The fact that we didn't make pages for the factions of Sigil or some of the sourcebooks only means that nobody has gotten around to it yet. The Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica should, in fact, have a page here because there are explicit and relevant mentions to the Realms there (the Order domain of clerics in particular), but that is an entirely different point that has no bearing on this discussion.


 * In any case, the original point I was trying to make did not have anything to do with Realms characters appearing in the sets (there are entire Realms sets that don't include any characters either; see the Elemental Evil one for example), but that the off-setting sets feature creatures that do exist in the Realms, and, in many cases, are the only ones that do. For example, the only set that contains a catoblepas, a creature that explicitly exists in the Realms, is the Theros set; the Eberron set is the only one that contains a shambling mound or a gray render; you can only find a human rogue mini in the Ravnica set; etc.


 * The purpose of this page is the same as much of the purpose of this wiki: to provide information for DMs and players alike about the Realms. In particular, this list documents where to find the appropriate miniatures to add to a tabletop game set in the Realms. Given that all off-setting sets feature creatures that canonically appear in the Realm, and in some cases are the only ones to do so, it would be a disservice to omit them.


 * I hope this makes the point a bit clearer. ― Sirwhiteout (talk) 12:55, August 19, 2020 (UTC)