Talk:Deva

Title Change?
Title change, perhaps? Aasimar/devas are also, according to the FRPG, PHB2, and Ecology of Devas article, themselves angels. So Deva (angel) doesn't really distinguish the player race from the monsters. Niirfa-sa 23:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * perhaps, Deva (aasimon)? ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:20, January 6, 2018 (UTC)


 * "Aasimon" seems to be the 2e euphemism for angels, like devils are baatezu, etc., so it might be out-of-date. What about "Deva (celestial)"? — BadCatMan (talk) 02:39, January 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * I think my preferred solution is to change Deva to Deva (aasimar) and make this one the new Deva. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:18, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed. As 5e has gone back to using "deva" for full angelic outsiders, we should too, per the latest-source Canon policy and because it will be more natural to link new deva lore to simply "deva". — BadCatMan (talk) 15:44, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * The deed is done. ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:49, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Split
I think this articles should be split into four&mdash;this main one, and one for each of the deva varieties. ~ Lhynard (talk) 16:59, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think I have seen each deva get its separate "monster entry" e.g. in Planescape, so, yeah, splitting makes sense to me. Daranios (talk) 18:03, October 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed, and that's my plan. The three orders of deva get their own stats in 2e and 3e and are distinct enough to warrant separate articles. There's a fair bit of overlap though, so I'll put general deva information in this main article, and the specific information in the others. Then 5e's deva might be considered a fourth deva. — BadCatMan (talk) 02:39, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

Further development
I've completed the above-mentioned split, making this an umbrella page for the three orders/types of deva, using the 2e and 3e/3.5 depictions. I've written the movanic deva page and will do the astral deva page at some point. However, I won't do the monadic deva – although they undoubtedly have a role in the planes of the Realms, no Realms source that I know of specifically mentions them. Any page on them would be marked Unrelated. So I figure it can wait.

I'll keep an eye for more FR-related deva lore as well as the 1e versions.

Someone else can finish adding the lore and stats for the 5e deva, unless I find them and work them out. As discussed at User_talk:Lhynard/Projects/Celestial_Restoration, it's ambiguous as to whether it should be treated as a generic any-deva, a modified movanic or astral deva, or perhaps an unnamed fourth order of deva. I favor a fourth order or generic deva, as it would be confusing to the existing movanic and astra deva pages to merge them. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:18, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * (Fallen) monadic devas appear in Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, specifically the "The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay" module. There is an entry for "regular" monadic devas in the game files as well, but I don't know where they appear in the game. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 12:26, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * Huh. So I don't get to skip that work then. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:44, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * No, you are bound by oath to complete the task. :P ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:52, January 22, 2018 (UTC)


 * And, at last, the monadic deva page is done. However, I can't adequately check or explain their appearance in "Gladiators of Thay", so I'll leave that for others. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:54, November 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * It is done. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 11:10, November 27, 2018 (UTC)


 * You are a man of your word.


 * I have added a bit more from Warriors of Heaven and turned the note you kept copying into a template, that way we don't have to edit it in four places if we get new information or want to tweak the wording.


 * I may go back and add more WoH stuff to the other angel articles, but I want to get archons mostly wrapped up first.


 * ~ Lhynard (talk) 19:46, November 27, 2018 (UTC)