Talk:Abdel Adrian

PLEASE NOTE: This character does not appear in the games
There's always someone editing or commenting to the effect that Adrian somehow appears in the games. He does not. The player character is entirely customised by the player, and still couldn't be like the protagonist of the novels, because in the games they have lived most of their lives so far in Candlekeep, but in the novel Adrian has been going around the world or whatever part of it as a mercenary before Gorion summons him back to Candlekeep so that they can escape it together. (Don't worry, the rest makes even less sense.)

The fact that some berk put a protagonist called "Abdel" in the Tales of the Sword Coast save (blasphemy!) doesn't change this, nor does it give him official statistics.

Now, last time someone edited to the effect that they knew what Adrian's alignment and class were in the third edition rules. I was so skeptical about that I just deleted it, but if you've actually got them, you can put them back with proper reference to the third-edition source you had. Ville V. Kokko 07:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Tiefling?
Would it be fair to call Abdel Adrian a tiefling rather than a human? I know the way he's presented in the games (as the player) and in the books is a human (or elf/dwarf/gnome/etc) but by the definition of tiefling presented in the FRCS (3e) the mortal progeny of evil gods are tieflings. Would he, therefore, be considered a tiefling - simply not the kind with horns and a tail and the like?

I'm interested in hearing what others have to say on this. Niirfa-sa 07:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * He's not a native outsider, so he fails the test. Besides, I think it would be a stretch, since in the book and game they classify him as a human.  13:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand that he goes by human - but let's face it, Bhaalspawn aren't human/elven/draconic/etc - they just look that way. They're demigods. As for whether or not he's a native outsider - do we know that he isn't? I haven't read the books, BTW, I'm just looking at it objectively and to me he seems to be as much a tiefling as any spawn of the Mulhorandi gods.

I understand that the details aren't covered very well regarding Bhaalspawn. But who's to say that Abdel and the others aren't partially composed of the prime essence? Niirfa-sa 00:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Bhaalspawn aren't "demigods", because that's a level of divine power, and they're mortals unless one were to specifically ascend. And they are technically whatever race they're given, as they have its properties (under 2nd ed rules), not a tiefling's. (I'm looking at the games. The novels obviously don't say much on this.)


 * Now, if the sources actually said that "the progeny of evil gods are tieflings by definition", I'd say that could be mentioned under Bhaalspawn ("Bhaalspawn weren't considered tieflings, but according to 3rd edition rules, they would also be classified such"), but it doesn't quite say that in the 3rd edition FRCS; it merely implies that that is the case with some offspring (probably not first-generation, either) of some Mulhorandi deities. And if they were demigods, they certainly wouldn't be tieflings. Tieflings have so much mortal blood that they're not even half-fiends anymore. Bhaalspawn are both more ordinary than them (in that they count as their "other" race for most purposes) and less so (in that Bhaal's essence is in them and can have some quite spectacular effects eventually). Ville V. Kokko 04:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * He is Bhaalspawn. He isn't demigod, tiefling, or any other of those.  Bhaalspawn were designed with a specific purpose.  If I may, "There can be only one".  They are supposed to fight their way to the top, absorbing eachother's power until they are powerful enough to ascend.  Obviously they don't HAVE to kill and absorb ALL other Bhaalspawn because you have a bunch that survive, and a bunch that were bound to have been killed by others.  Either way, though, that's what it boils down to.  Bhaalspawn are a class of being unto themselves.  Humans, elves, dwarves, etc., don't generally spontaneously gain the ability to heal wounds or whatever.

Vandalism
89.103.147.95 keeps editing this page so poorly it amounts to vandalism. Can someone do something about that? Ville V. Kokko 07:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC) This is not vandalism,this is justice. 89.103.147.95


 * No, this isn't justice, it is idiotism. Barteomir 14:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * User's IP range has been blocked. Fw190a8 (talk &middot; contr) 02:06, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Possible re-canonisation?
Well, What if someone wrote a new novelisation of the game, with better parties, better endings, better writing, as a better author and of course, a btter protagonist! (Abdel Adrian seems like if Athans pressed *recommend* all the time in BG1 and then used the most stupid names at hand...)

My Idea of a main char could actually work well (won't tell ya, it can be stolen), well, he is deeper than Adrian's hack-and-slash personality. smarter, and is following the game more!!!

Group idea:

Main character Imoen (of course) Jaheira and Khalid (Gorion tells ya to find them) Minsc and Dynaheir (Bg2 presumes you had them)(Don't forget Boo, unless that's what the readers would shout, hehe...)
 * Not a bad idea necessarily, but purely speculative (and doesn't really belong here). Actually, to throw my own gratuitous idea in I always have thought BG could make a pretty good movie if done right.Niirfa-sa 10:54, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you'r right, but both a book and a movie following it would be better, I'll start NOW writing it, hopefully, Tymora's happy with the idea... This and the start of this discussion about canonisation was my first messages (sorry if this is spam, just figuring out how this page works, I will delete all identical stuff over this, thanks for having patience with a noob..., /Lawisendro, how do I have my name show???)