User talk:ThunderBrine

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First Plagiarism Warning
It is illegal to copy information directly from a sourcebook. Adding a few extra words here and there is not enough; you must rewrite the entire article in your own words.

Also, the dragonnel is not related to the Forgotten Realms, so it does not belong on our wiki anyhow.

~ Lhynard (talk) 06:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Second Plagiarism Warning
Hi. I edited squamous spewer yesterday, and found a number of sentences that cleaved too closely to the sourcebook; you can see the revisions here. Then I edited cobra dragon today, as seen here, and found many more sentences directly lifted from the original, with only past tense and removed crunch and some minor changes and additions to distinguish it. This is not sufficient, it still counts as copyright infringement. You must not copy directly from the source and you must rephrase in your own words. Furthermore, do not include your own speculation and commentary, only reflect what the source says.

You've already been warned for plagiarism once. This is your second warning. If you do it again, you will be banned for life. – BadCatMan (talk) 07:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Very well. I don't want to risk a permanent ban, so I think I will hold off on creating articles. I will probably just spend my time uploading image files and asking if they are acceptable or not.ThunderBrine (talk; blog; contributions; activity) 07:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Templates
(Note to self: When making a D&D wiki, follow this order. Extensions, Modules, Templates, Pages concerning source material, Pages concerning other material.)

Which Extensions allow the wiki to do all the complicated things; And which modules and templates? I know that when you create a wiki, you have a default set of extensions, but which optional extensions are the most important to Forgotten Realms's functionality? I ask because Forgotten Realms Wiki is the most developed of all D&D wikis, so I would like to know what this wiki uses so I can develop other D&D wikis to the same degree of professionalism as Forgotten Realms. --ThunderBrine 07:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * You can see all the Extensions installed on the wiki on the Special:Version page. That said, there are already D&D wikis for just about every campaign setting, so I would recommend working on one of those rather than starting a new one. Fandom is trying to reduce the number of duplicate wikis and starting a wiki on a topic that is already covered elsewhere will probably get closed. You can see the list of D&D wikis at the bottom of the Main Page. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Don't worry. I'm not trying to start a new wiki. Just trying to improve existing ones. --ThunderBrine 23:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Dragon-related articles
--ThunderBrine 07:54, 20 January 2022 (UTC) ⟨As you might have guessed, I still want to edit things, but as I am banned for the week, I'm stuck having to put my collected information on the talk page. If you are following my user talk page for some reason, and you got a notification, I'm sorry.⟩

Anyways, I found a database that someone made of dragons that were lost to D&D's history, so I thought it might be nice to have them around on the wiki. These dragons will likely stay in my sandbox forever if they have nothing to do with the Realms, but it's nice to keep them around anyway.


 * Hm, interesting. Have you seen A Review of Dracoform Taxonomy? It is my own attempt to list all the various D&D dragons. As a note, if you want to work on dragon-related articles, squamous spewer and the three dragon-related golems from the 3e Draconomicon all have Realms connections, as does the Cobra dragon. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Sea Serpent
Hi. We've had this discussion before, but as we've said, this is a Forgotten Realms Wiki and we focus on Forgotten Realms lore. The sea serpent has no Realmslore attached, either in the 5e book Fizban's Treasury of Dragons, nor in previous editions – any mention would be to the earlier sea snake. Hence, the sea serpent should be rejected. I suggest you take your article to a more general D&D wiki, like the Dungeons & Dragons Fifth Edition Wiki or the D&D Lore Wiki. BadCatMan (talk) 06:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, do not include links to copies of the books, even if they're for your personal reference. The wiki cannot host or link to any copyright-infringing material. BadCatMan (talk) 06:51, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I understand. I will try to post it to a general D&D wiki. However, with that action, I have a couple of questions and concerns.
 * It should be noted that all other D&D wikis are heavily underdeveloped and do not have the resources that Forgotten Realms has. Also, what is supposed to be the D&D General wiki allows homebrew content, lowering the value of the wiki in its reliability, even if its tolerance on crunch is appreciated.
 * If it is allowed, I would like to ask if it is appropriate to transfer information from Forgotten Realms (and other D&D wikis) to the General wiki, or if such behavior is unacceptable. --ThunderBrine 09:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I'd say the obvious solution to underdeveloped wikis... is to go develop those wikis. In my experience, wikis don't grow if no one adds, and if you build it, they will come. The FRW itself was underdeveloped and light on resources for a long, long time, and it took a long, long time to develop it to the standard it has now. But the work has to start somewhere. We encourage the development of other D&D wikis, for the various settings and editions and approaches, contribute to some of them, copy over pages we've removed from here, and share what templates and knowhow we can. So you're welcome to copy your unrelated pages over and any templates you like, to an appropriate wiki of your choosing. BadCatMan (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Dragon lair maps
Hey there Thunderbrine! We appreciate you wanting to help contribute to the wiki, but I am afraid that your uploads of "dragon lair" maps did not fall within our wiki's jurisdiction and had to be removed. If they were maps of specific locations in the Realms, that would be good, but I'm afraid that these are just generic example lairs for use by Dungeon Masters. SunderedShor (talk) January 18, 2022.

Purple Dragon
--ThunderBrine (talk) 08:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC) I would like to ask an admin if we should separate turn the purple dragon redirect into its own page. The reason being I found this book called Dragon Compendium Volume 1 (which apparently we don't have recorded on the wiki, btw), and the page for the purple dragon is much different from the deep dragon. Is this a separate creature? (Also, if an admin sees this and replies, plz delete the link to the source. It's only here to share with the admins, and will become obsolete once they have the link for themselves)


 * What is their Realms relevance? AFAIK they have not appeared in anything but that dragon magazine entry. Furthermore, in the Realms purple dragon is another name for deep dragons and a unique purple dragon from the Hordelands. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Nothing in that book seems to have any relationship with the Forgotten Realms. You are welcome and encouraged to add those dragons and other monsters to Dungeons & Dragons Wiki. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Dragons in the Forgotten Realms
After looking for key words (Forgotten Realms, Realmspace, Anadia (Anadjiin, Hairfoot, Powderpuff, Umberguard), Coliar (Hisssta, Athanar), Toril (Faerûn, Zakhara, Kara-Tur, Maztica, Anchorome, Katashaka, Laerakond, Osse), Abeir (Shyr), Selûne, Karpri, Chandos, Glyth, Garden (Grandchild, Yerthad, Peaceon, Retinae, Glorianus, Fjord, Locci, Dragon Rock, Knurl, Sunson, Templar, Farworld), H'Catha) in Dragon Magazine #146, I found that the Cobra dragon and the Draken are the only creatures in that issue related to the Forgotten Realms. I will be looking for more creatures that may have been missed. ThunderBrine (talk; blog; contributions; activity) 00:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Language categories
Hi. I've blocked you so I can save you unnecessary effort and talk with you first. Your new categories on language pages seem to be unnecessary, erroneous, or speculative. Please discuss such widespread changes first. I've opened conversation on the Talk pages at Category_talk:Language_isolates and Category_talk:Languages_solely_used_by_monsters.

Furthermore, please reply here to show you got these messages and understand not to plagiarize text, before I lift your block. BadCatMan (talk) 09:57, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I see your messages and I understand. I will discuss their contents whenever you or other users are available for discussion. ThunderBrine 10:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I've unblocked you now. BadCatMan (talk) 10:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Language redirects
Thunderbrine, please stop indiscriminately creating race language pages using only redirects. Some of which are incorrectly linked. While some may warrant redirect pages, others can be made onto pages in their own right. Thank you. Ruf (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I have found that every language that didn't have enough information (i.e. didn't pass the three-sentence rule) was turned into a redirect. The language was then able to show up in category pages for people to find. If a language has information that you would like to put on the page while removing the redirect, that would be appreciated.
 * If it is appropriate, I will remove the language section from races, and relocate them to their own pages. Unless there is something else you have in mind.
 * Also, if you want to turn a redirect page into an article page, simply remove the redirect and place whatever information you desire on the page. I've noticed that sometimes the page is deleted between the transition of redirect to article, and that feels like an unnecessary step. ThunderBrine (talk; blog; contributions; activity) 22:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the timely response, I appreciate you hearing me out on this. I did delete the redirect articles as they appeared to be made wholesale without any discussion or communication beforehand. Significant or wide-reaching changes like these are typically discussed on a talk page beforehand.


 * There may be some interpretation as to how a three-sentence article can be made for some topics with less substance. I can write up an example tomorrow to demonstrate my meaning. Again, thank you for taking the time to talk about these changes. Ruf (talk) 22:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, with races like Kenders, no need to make redirects to their languages, unless you have an actual appearance of the language in the Realms. Otherwise just a few words on the Kender page is more than enough. One more thing. having red links is preferable to redirects as red links are tracked across the wiki and you can see the list of "Pages needed" - red links across the wiki. This list guides editors to what needs work. - Artyom.pavlov (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, deleting a redirect before creating the article ensures that the author gets credit for creating that article, rather than the person who created the redirect. &mdash;Moviesign (talk) 00:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and created the grimlock language page to illustrate how it may be possible to creature a three-sentence language article separate from the race article associated with it. It's not the best page in the world, but with subjects like languages we may be better suited to create a number of small articles, so they can later be grouped together with a navbox. I hope this helps! You can always reach out to myself or any other Content Moderator via our talk pages, and for me please feel free to contact me on Twitter or Discord. Ruf (talk) 11:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)