Talk:Black Bastion

Article in title?
Bane's divine realm is called "The Black Bastion" in Faiths & Avatars. Is there any guideline, should the article title (or in this case, redirect) include the article or not? Thanks for input! Daranios (talk) 19:47, October 9, 2017 (UTC)


 * We've had this discussion on and off for a while, usually regarding inns and taverns. IME, we've generally been ignoring definite (the) and indefinite (a, an) articles at the beginnings of page-names, unless it's provably a part of the proper name. It has its benefits. It's more natural to search for "Black Bastion" than "The Black Bastion". If you want to write something like "Bane resided at the imposing Black Bastion", it's simpler to write " the imposing Black Bastion " than " the imposing Black Bastion ". It also doesn't require adjusting category sorting to alphabetise it.


 * On the other hand, simply listing "Black Bastion" in an infobox, list of places, or category, may look odd, whereas "The Black Bastion" may feel more natural and appropriate, emphasising a singular, unique nature. There are also those inns and taverns where "The" may well be part of the name on the sign and probably ought to be included.


 * I've usually argued for the former, but these days I don't think there's a universal solution or rule one way or the other. Having redirects for both forms seems redundant. Go with your heart. :D — BadCatMan (talk) 00:45, October 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * In the cases I encountered with the divine realms, I would go with your argumentation and skip the article. As you can see from this page that also was my first reaction :-). Thanks for your input! Daranios (talk) 15:41, October 10, 2017 (UTC)


 * Alright then! Continuing from above, another point to consider is length: titles like the Vast and the Nine are so short and vague as to require an article to clarify what they might be, while a long title like House of the Broken God hardly needs one to tell what it is. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:37, October 11, 2017 (UTC)