Talk:Vhaeraun

I find Vhaeraun's holy symbol and artwork of him may be incorrect. it is stated in the prologue of Storm of the Dead that Eilistraee has the mask covering the lower half of her face. is is stated elsewhere that vhaeraun's differs?

Also at the end of Storm of the Dead Eilistraee "Eilistraee turned her hand palm-up, lifted her mask, and blew the ash away. " (like 1 paragraph from the end of book).Doonval ti bekk&#39;har (talk) 01:47, August 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean, but the images are taken from the sourcebooks, Faiths and Pantheons and Player's Guide to Faerûn, so they are correct. — BadCatMan (talk) 11:40, August 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lisa Smedman's description of Vhaeraun, Eilistraee, their rituals, and other aspects (like the symbol of Vhaeraun) in her books, don't match the actual lore. Lore incongruences are a known problem with the Lady Penitent books, actually--Tsammarco (talk) 20:38, July 17, 2016 (UTC)

About the Jaezred Chaullsin,

I intend to edit it as an Assassin's Guild instead of a house. The reason is while they are called a House they fall too far from the regular meaning of one. I tried to change it but it was edited back, here I write the reasons why I think it is better to call it a criminal organization and not a House in the sense of nobility.

A house would imply familial ties inside the group being the deciding factor to be part of it, while the group itself does descend from the ruling House of Chaulssin according to the WE City of Wyrmshadow, it is in fact led by a ruling council of eight patriarchs who head different families (hence different last names), moreover entering this group is done by being useful in toppling Lolth's rule and not necessarily blood ties (the 7 declared as not being of a race listed by this point in the racial composition of the guild, they could be normal drow but this would pose the question why not declaring them as such, thus implying that these sevens' background is rather diverse).

Although "house" would mean being a governmental body, while they are "ruling" what's left of Chaulssin, they are not governing it. For example, nothing implies an interest in building infrastructure or expanding the city, having foreign policy or the like.

Moreover the monetary gain is done in way akin to mafia esque organizations. Individuals take criminal jobs and pay a percentage of it to the upper echelons, instead of taxes collected in regular intervals like a government.

And most importantly, the Jaezred Chaullsin are explicitly described as and called an Assassins' Guild in the Web Enhancement.

So my suggestion is "A patriarchally led Assassins' Guild that rules what is left of Chaulssin."

How about it?

Best Regards

Saya222

Two editors, one page
Hello, Tsammarco and Saya222. I'm glad to see two new/returned faces come in and start a big project on an important topic. It's good for the wiki and I hope you'll enjoy the wiki-writing experience and decide to stay on for other projects. I'd like to share some advice to make your efforts easier.

First, it looks like two editors want to make a project out of this one topic. This will inevitably lead to editing conflicts (when two editors edit the page at the same time, the second will have their changes interrupted), and potentially overwritten passages and duplicated work if you work on the same topics at the same time. So I suggest you two collaborate closely on this. Talk about it, decide who does what, work out a division of labor.

Second, the page is now getting very long. Cramming a worshipers section into a deity article is fine for the smaller/older/stubbier god pages, but for recent deity work, we've been pushing for worshiper-related information to be shifted into a separate Organization page. Tsammarco, remember we did this with Eilistraee? For example: That allows each page to focus on its topic, with separate infoboxes and categories, and makes them easier to read. So perhaps one of you could do Vhaeraun and the other church of Vhaeraun?
 * Ilmater and Church of Ilmater
 * Eilistraee and church of Eilistraee
 * Mystra/Mystra (Midnight) and Church of Mystra

Third, please please please please learn to use the Preview button. In whatever skin you're using, it will be right next to/above Publish. That will show you what the page looks like after your changes, so you can see what worked, what didn't, and think about your changes before you save them. This page saw 26 edits just today, which is a lot to go through if anyone needs to unpick a change or find out who added what to an article. Ideally, an editor should only make one edit to add the new and corrected information, and maybe one or two more to fix any errors. (I recommend writing in a word processing program like Word first, then adding the finished piece to the article.)

Fourth, I recommend using these pages as models: They follow all our current styles and formatting and have been checked over, and some have been voted as Featured Articles.
 * Ilmater, Church of Ilmater, Eilistraee, Mystra/Mystra (Midnight), Church of Mystra, Waukeen

Fifth and finally, don't rush! A lot of new editors just go mad on editing in the first week or two, they jump between topics, they don't spend the time to learn or practice, then they burn out or get bored, and disappear. Take your time, work on one thing at a time, and get it right. Vhaeraun is a mammoth topic for a first project. I recommend starting on something minor so you learn the wiki code and style, before tackling something like this.

So, please look this over, see what you think and what you can take on board, and ask me if you have any questions. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:14, July 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * PS: Sixth: Separate groups like the Jaezred Chaulssin are better discussed and detailed on the Jaezred Chaulssin page. This page should focus on Vhaeraun himself, with only one or two lines at most to introduce groups like the Jaezred Chaulssin, House Jaelre, or the Dragon's Hoard. This reduces duplication and repetition of lore and allows a page to focus on its main topic, not be cluttered with only tangentially related topics. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:19, July 18, 2016 (UTC)