Talk:Drow

Alignment
Drows are not all evil. Referencing to "the drows of the underdark" (TSR) and the "Forgotten realms campain book" also the books of the spider queen saga (which tackes place the F.R.'s Underdark) some drows, and mainly from lower social classes, are praying Elistraee ( http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Eilistraee). Elistraee's followers also play a great role in the hystory of the underdark because of their resistance (Hystory of the F.R. - TSR) So you can meet some "good" drows in the underdark.

So alignement of drows (underdark and not banished in the cave or the surface or lower UD levels) should be NG, CG, CN, LE, NE, CE.

Also remember that after the netheril fall and the avatar saga, EO has decided that Faerûn plan had to be neutral : no too much evil nor good (if you're too busy trying to hunt your oposite you won't try to reach the power of a god, unless this oposite power forces you to like in netheril's fall). Underdark is some of the last places where plans limit are not "effective", so this "divine order" is not respected and there is many many many more evil than anywhere else. It intends that almost all drows are evil (see first book of drizzt saga). You can also see by reading drizzt history that the fear of the spider queen forces some of them to act like evil, but they dislike it (IE : drizzt's father) so drows are not naturaly evil.

If some GM could know that it would surely make the underdark campains a lot more fun (instead of pure evil and HL fights) :)

what do you think about that ?

--88.179.114.44 09:36, April 6, 2010 (UTC) NoSDuDe (nosdudefr@gmail.com)


 * The alignment bar depicts what the overwhelming majority has as an alignment. It's the same system used for followers of deities, members of organizations, citizens of cities/countries etc. There are of course good aligned drow, but aside from a few surface dwellings they are extremely rare. Drizzt is the exception, not the rule. Zeraktalk 15:55, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Bordered Pix
Does anyone else find the bordered pictures really distracting and out-of-place? Johnnyriot999 14:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Dead link: Wizards.com Year of the Drow
This URL is now being redirected to this location: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/welcome

I've grabbed a working copy from the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine, but don't know how you normally format these sorts of things. Please can a regular user reformat the link using the local house-style. David Shepheard 22:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Check out Template:Cite web :) Zerak talk 22:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have done it. Fw190a8 18:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

4th Edition vs Other editions
If you can don't remove the older 3rd and second edition stuff and replace it with 4th edition stuff. Much better if you make the document more readable and put the edition detail in a seperate section. An example of this is War Wizard of Cormyr although even this needs some more work. Show (if you can) how the race has changed over the editions (in a section, maybe?) Hurtzbad 09:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Ilythiiri
Wouldn't it be better to make a page for Ilythiiri to make clear that there are two meanings of this name? Because there are the ancient Ilythiiri which weren't drow but the "old" dark elves and then later the word became a synonym for the drow. The problem is in the case of people like Ka'Narlist and Geirildin Sethomiir that they were dark elves living in the ancient realm Ilythiir. But both lived before the Descent and so they were no drow. Historicus 11:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, howevermuch authors have used the word as synonymous with drow since Evermeet was published, not all drow are of Ilythiiri descent. I think the whole Ilythiir / Miyeritar / Wendonai / Dark Disaster section is a horrible muddle, and will come back and shape it up when I have time. 74.83.14.59 18:18, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Height
"They usually vary in height between 5'4" and 6', and weigh between 130 to 175 lbs on average."

This can't be correct, can it? Between 5'4" and 6' is essentially human height. Elves are smaller than humans, and Drow are smaller than most elves.  I seem to remember in the War of the Spider Queen series when Ryld Argith is among a group of humans, he is described as being much shorter than any of them (and Ryld was tall for a Drow, and as a male smaller than female Drow).  A six-foot Drow doesn't make sense.


 * Males are 4'4" +2d6 in. and females are 4'6" +2d6 in. So 4'6"-5'4" for males and 4'8"-5'6" for females. Page 21 Underdark. Zeraktalk 11:12, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yet Drizzt Do'Urden is taller than Bruenor Battlehammer, and is nearly equal in height to Catti-brie, looking her and Artemis Entreri (a human of average stature who mimics Drizzt almost like a mirror) so average height would be closer to 4'8"-5'8" (With exceptions) for males and 5'-5'11"/6' for females. {[Source: The Legend Of Drizzt Collector's Edition: Book II}}

Elves
I am just curious on other editors and admins thoughts on whether or not drow are elves in 1e to 3e since an unknown user is systematically removing this category from each and every page. - Darkwynters (talk) 17:07, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Drow are an elven subrace in 3e, just like sun, moon, wood, and wild elves, as well as avariel and aquatic elves (Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition p.13, Races of Faerûn p. 34). -- Coswig (talk) 20:13, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Drow have always been elves of some kind, I thought. And if it's changed with editions, then it doesn't matter: we're outside the timeline and so are categories. Once a drow, always a drow. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:21, July 24, 2014 (UTC)