Talk:Gardolf Beorunna

Just for the record, I should point out that I don't think there's ever been any statistics for Beorunna, although i could be wrong. I dont know paticularly much about him. – User:Jacktoland


 * Stats for a still-active spirit of Beorunna (see below) are given in The Savage Frontier (sourcebook). — BadCatMan (talk) 13:20, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Son of Thunder discrepancy
The novel Son of Thunder connects Beorunna with Berun (of Berun's Hill), and claims he was the Bey of Runlatha in Netheril just after Karsus's Folly. There is probably a canon discrepancy there, as neither the chronology nor the geography quite add up. --Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 15:54, January 19, 2018 (UTC)


 * This goes all the way back to The Savage Frontier (sourcebook), where on page 54 it's said Beorunna was known as "the Bey of Runlatha", a leader of Netherese refugees in ancient Ascore and is known as Berun to the Northmen. It says "Beorunna, the mythical father of Uthgar." However, it also goes on to say "It is probable that Beorunna (or Berun in the Northman tongue) was a hero of the pre-Uthgar people who merged with the followers of a renegade from ancient Ruathym. Legend holds that Beorunna destroyed Zukothoth, a type IV demon in the cavern, collapsing it in on both of them." That's in-universe so it could be unreliable, but it means Beorunna and the leader from Ruathym are different people. The book also says on page 21 "Uthgar mounted his sky pony and joined his father Beorunna in the war halls of Tempus".


 * But the book also suggests Uthgar was one Uther Gardolfsson, a Thane of Ruathym, implying Uthgar/Uther is a son of someone called Gardolf. Similarly, Morgur is Morgred Gardolfsson. A third theory has him as the son of the god Tempus, to further muddle the matter, but let's exclude gods. The book is clearly trying to keep it ambiguous, with in-universe legend conflating two different heroes or that there's a more distant ancestry.


 * It seems that Storm King's Thunder conflates Gardolf and Beorunna, but this forgets their different origins in Ruathym and Netheril, respectively, and that Beorunna died in -330 DR while Uthgar Gardolfsson wasn't known until 95 DR, according to the GHotR. The invention of "Gardolf Beorunna" to patch Uthgar's origins is a bizarre and wildly incorrect concept.


 * Actually, at this point it appears the only possible solution is that a centuries-old Uthgar/Uther Gardolfsson is the son of both Gardolf and Beorunna – both men – and that Gardolf married Beorunna and took his name. :D — BadCatMan (talk) 13:20, January 20, 2018 (UTC)