Talk:Leomund

"removal of non-Realmsian linked spells"
What spells should that exactly be? The main 6 (tiny hut, trap, secure shelter, secret chest, lamentable belabourment) are all in Forgotten Realms Adventures (as well as the 2E PHB), Hidden Lodge is in Player's Option Spells & Magic, which should be setting agnostic, which would make them available in the Realms - as all Spells in the PHB would (until another source tells otherwise). It also falls under "Leomund's assorted shelter spells", which The Magister and Pages from the Mages tell us, are known in the Realm. Cityscape, Frostburn, and Heros of Battle are also setting agnostic, which would make these spells usable in any setting (until another source tells otherwise). So, what "non-Realmsian linked spells" should be removed--Modgamers (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * We should only have red links for spells that actually make named appearance in Forgotten Realms products. Setting agnostic resources do not count as related appearance. I recommend you add setting agnostic lore to the Dungeons and Dragons Wiki. The Magister does not specify which shelter spells are recoded in the spellbook it simply says "Leomund's assorted shelter spells". Presuming what spells they are would be a speculation. Please do not make pages or add red links for subjects that did not make explicit appearance in FR products. -Artyom.pavlov (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you prove to me, that Hidden Lodge is not included in the phrase "Leomund's assorted shelter spells"? I mean, yes, it's not there (or in Forgotten Realms Adventures), because it was made up for Player's Option Spells & Magic, which was released six years later. Yet, with your argument you could remove any links to new spells released since Forgotten Realms Adventures the 3E, 4E and 5E PHB, because neither neither of them is in that "FGR-Spell" list. Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide does not have a list, nor does any of the Waterdeep adventures. Yet, the 5E PHB spells not just are used to linked to them, but also to update information on older spells. So does the setting agnostic PHB count as an Forgotten Realms source, or not? And when it does, why the others aren't - especially now, that WoTC is going full multiverse. --Modgamers (talk) 15:42, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Edit: I would agree with you, if we e.g. would talk about the spells invented by Bigby from the Greyhawk Adventures book (or vice versa Magic of Ferûn for a Greyhawk-Wiki), until they where published in a setting agnostic sourcebook. But when they originate in an setting agnostic sourcebook, I can't follow your argumentation. --Modgamers (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * These are the wiki's standards. Appearance in generic sources only does no constitute wiki additions. We also do not allow speculative inclusions. This is a Forgotten Realms wiki, its scope does not cover the multiverse, only things that are relevant to the Forgotten Realms. The spells I unlinked have not made any FR appearances or mentions. If you see a spell you think is beyond scope from 5e era, please bring ip up on the spell's talk page.-Artyom.pavlov (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * "If you see a spell you think is beyond scope from 5e era, please bring ip up on the spell's talk page" - As far as I know, Forgotten Realms Adventures was the last book to publish a list of spells known within the Realm, any spell that was released since, that does not show up in a Reals specific publication (e.g. Magic of Ferûn), is a "non-Realmsian spell". This include any spell in every PHB since 2nd edition. So, is there a community guideline proposal page, to maybe change this rule? --Modgamers (talk) 10:52, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The idea is that a spell must have specifically appeared in a Realms product for it to count as valid. So any spells that appear in Realms video games, for example, would be valid. Some of these Leomundi spells simply fail that criteria. If they should show up in a Realms product in the future we would be happy to include them on the wiki. Hope that makes sense. :) Ir&#39;revrykal (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2023 (UTC)