This page is for nominating, discussing and voting on featured articles to go on the Featured article template. An article that reaches at least 3 votes in favour, including one administrator vote, will be promoted to featured article status.
Nomination Process[]
Criteria[]
A feature article should meet the following criteria:
- Complete: The article should give everything about the subject. There should be a complete account from the standard sources, and common and important information should appear. It doesn't have to be utterly exhaustive, with every tidbit from every obscure source, but ideally there should be some little tidbits of lore to spice it up and surprise the expert FR fan.
- Correct: We should be able to confirm that every fact presented is true and accurate by examining the sources. That goes hand-in-hand with...
- Referenced: The article should be fully referenced.
- Formatted: The article should be fully formatted in wiki article style, sectioned out, and infoboxed, with a past-tense, in-universe POV, and good English text.
- Important: The article should be on a reasonably well-known topic that ties into the larger setting, comes from multiple sources, or is just famous to readers.
- Big: A medium-to-long article demonstrates completeness, and short ones are too easy to make look good.
- Illustrated: Pictures and quotes really spice up the article, breaking up walls of text, and make it look good. It also stands out on the main page.
- Demonstrative: The article should demonstrate all appropriate practices, policies, templates, and wiki code to budding editors. It should also demonstrate our usefulness to players and DMs (for example, presenting a fully developed community to play in or NPC to deal with). It could also demonstrate how to balance lore from different editions and media.
Nomination Form[]
Please nominate an article in the following format:
---- ===[[Article Name]]=== ;Nominated by: ;Disclaimer: ;Vote: ;For: ;Against: ;Pros: * ;Cons: * ;Requests * ;Verdict:
- Article Name
- The name of the nominated article. This should be a direct link to the article.
- Nominated by
- The editor who originally nominated the article for feature status.
- Disclaimer
- Please note if you wrote the article yourself or otherwise had a strong hand in it.
- Vote
- The current score. Please add 1 if you are for it, subtract 1 if you are against it.
- For
- List your name here if in favor.
- Against
- List your name if in not in favor.
- Pros
- Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should be featured.
- Cons
- Give a dot-point list of reasons why the article should not be featured.
- Requests
- List anything you feel should be done to the article that would make improve and/or make it worthy of featured status.
- Verdict
- The final result of the vote: 'approved' to be a featured article; 'pending' or blank if it's still under discussion; or 'refused' if it's currently irredeemable without major reworking. The verdict will be decided by an administrator after thorough checking.
Voting Process[]
For Nominated, For, and Against, just list your user name: [[User:__]]. For Pros, Cons, and Requests, give a reason following by a short signature (three tildes ~~~).
You may change your vote if you are satisfied by changes to an article, or find some problem with it. Please relocate your name to the correct category, update the current vote tally, and note the change somewhere.
Extensive discussion of requested work on an article should be taken to that article's Talk page.
Nominees[]
Vhaeraun[]
- Nominated by
- Regis87
- Disclaimer
- Vote
- 5
- For
- Moviesign, Possessed Priest, Sirwhiteout, Artie, Lhynard
- Against
- Pros
- A massive, detail-heavy article. Lots of hard work put into it by various users. —Regis87 (talk)
- A popular topic among fans, I believe. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- Already good article quality. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- Incredibly well documented, over 200 sources. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
- Good range of images, symbols and quotes. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
- All important links have associated pages (small amount of red links). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
- Cons
- Infobox uses a confusing mix of refs in the headings and in the text. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- ToC is too long.
- Quote boxes aren't being used properly.
- They are not meant for excerpts from novels in an out-of-universe fashion; they should be for quotes in an in-universe fashion. The source field should not be listing a book; it should be giving a speaker, followed by a typical reference footnote. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- I hope, it's solved now. I kept it to quotes where characters are actually speaking or thinking. May I ask whether that is alright?19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
- They are not meant for excerpts from novels in an out-of-universe fashion; they should be for quotes in an in-universe fashion. The source field should not be listing a book; it should be giving a speaker, followed by a typical reference footnote. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- Some of the punctuation/style is not correct/standard for an article here, particularly in the headings.
- For example, all the hyphens should be colons or en-dashes or em-dashes. It would be better to remove them altogether. Instead of a heading of "Relationships - Allies", just have "Allies". Some of the headings are not needed at all, such as the subheadings for all the different ability types. Just keep them in separate paragraphs. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- I found out, that "wasn't" and "weren't" were used and corrected it. But that was certainly the most minor of problems. May I ask what other style-policies were offended? I guess a grammar problem is meant with punctuation problems. I will try to figure and solve them.19:32, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
- For example, all the hyphens should be colons or en-dashes or em-dashes. It would be better to remove them altogether. Instead of a heading of "Relationships - Allies", just have "Allies". Some of the headings are not needed at all, such as the subheadings for all the different ability types. Just keep them in separate paragraphs. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- In the notes, avoid links such as "here" and "this question". A webpage should always be explicit in link text. Provide the name of the location of the link and provide the text of the actual question asked. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- Much of information is repeated in multiple sections. ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
- Too much detail for my taste in some places—for example, letting us know an assortment of his key spells would suffice; there is no need to go through so many spells explaining what he can do with them, since that information is easily found elsewhere and is the same for any one else. Nevertheless, I am no longer against this becoming a featured article—in fact, I just awarded it GA status—but it is too wordy and overly detailed for me to consider it one of the wiki's very best in its current state. My preference—but I am only one person!—is that our very best articles be both complete and concise. That being said, it has clearly received a lot of great work from two editors. Thank you and good work! ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:46, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the explanation. So it means, the next tasks would be to:
- cut the stuff that could be read on the linked pages like the passage "cast disguise self, nondetection, invisibility, and mislead, ... to become invisible while leaving a decoy" despite having the spell appear on the head of the Ability-section?
- adding general information like an explanation for Remote Sense owned by all deities on a page and cut it from the Vhaeraun page, adding a passage like see also deity#Abilities#Remote Sense?
- If I'm correct I could try it out, though it would take some time.
- Saya222 (talk) 19:13, June 4, 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the explanation. So it means, the next tasks would be to:
Minor change needed: Some titles missing references.~ Possessed Priest (talk) 12:11, May 12, 2019 (UTC)
- Requests
- Add any 1e information, if it exists, especially to the infobox. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- There is no mention of Vhaeraun in Deities & Demigods 1st edition, Manual of the Planes 1st edition, or Unearthed Arcana 1st edition. —Moviesign (talk) 23:14, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Convert {{Drow pantheon}} to our new format. ~ Lhynard (talk)
- Verdict
Shadar-kai (fey)[]
- Nominated by
- SilverTiger12
- Disclaimer
- I wrote this article, possibly my largest one written so far, and am more than a little attached to it.
- Vote
- 1
- For
- SilverTiger12
- Against
- Pros
- Big, complete (I even included their one Dungeon mag appearance, unlinked for full completeness), and illustrated, including a spectacular panorama picture.
- Great panorama! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Nice article, demonstrates many great features of the wiki. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Links to several unique topics covered in the main adventure. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Covers the original 3e shadar-kai and clarifies their differences from the 4e Netherese and 5e elven versions.
- I'm not sure if this is clear enough. Could it contain the important terms to compare to (such as "Netherese")? Someone might want to clarify their differences but a ctrl+f would not aid them here. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I phrased that pro poorly. I meant more that in reading the article, the details of the shadow fey- what makes them different from the other shadar-kai versions- are made clear. I suppose I could put something in the lede about how they were not to be confused with the Netherese shadow-gifted or elves who are also called shadar-kai, but there's already the "for other uses" at the top of the article. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused about whether this is incomplete or not. The Jaezred Chaulssin and the shadar-kai's involvement are talked about in one source, but there is no reference to Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue. Is this because it's about 4e (Netherese) even though it's the same story? If so, there seems to be some sort of conflict. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yep, the shadar-kai from City of Intrigue are the 4e Netherese version. There isn't really much conflict because very little lore is given beyond that some small clans of (Netherese) shadar-kai have been recruited by the Jaezred Chaulssin as agents, which has in turn brought the Jaezred Chaulssin to the attention of Netheril. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if this is clear enough. Could it contain the important terms to compare to (such as "Netherese")? Someone might want to clarify their differences but a ctrl+f would not aid them here. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Cons
- Lots of unlinked topics. Examples: human, material plane, magic, etc. (They exist in the article, but there do not exist links to them, in terms of their first appearance in the article). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'm loathe to link such ubiquitous terms as human and magic-surely readers do not require those be explained to them- but I have added links elsewhere to other terms. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
The history section is quite dense and could be broken up into subsections. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)- Done. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
A few red links (these could be be removed if there is no Realms relevance). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)- Removed the red link from the quoted character, I'm leaving the links to the (prestige?) classes because those turn up Realms connections or get cross-wiki-redirected eventually. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Missing relevant images (such as to Ketsarra & Thieraven.jpg, which is really nice and illustrative for the shadar-kai that features here). Could be in a gallery or the article. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)My concern is, that image only barely shows Thieraven- Ketsarra the lizardfolk is the whole focus of it, so I'm not sure it would actually add anything. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)- I went ahead and added it because it does show his face and chain clear enough, and the History section could use the picture. SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Consider making the notable section a bulleted list of individuals. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- I was actually considering removing the section entirely because all three are mentioned in the paragraph right above it. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
- Requests
Some parts of this article need to be look over (empty section - notes). ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)- Removed empty section. SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Should have a final copy-edit. ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 09:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)- Done, thanks to User:BadCatMan. SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Verdict