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Hello everyone!

I'd like to congratulate Boo Too on creating the Forgotten Realms Wiki's 12,000th article, House of Winds. I'd also like to congratulate every else who made the last hundred or so fly by with some prolific article creation I can barely keep up with: Boo Too, Mortaned, Eli the Tanner, Daranios, and, um, myself, plus everyone else and some unregistered article creators.

Of course, there's always some stuff to be deleted, but let this milestone stand here and now. The FRW has really become a busy place, always advancing, with a large, active and friendly community.

New articles are good, but don't forget there are other ways to contribute to the wiki. Get some feature-worthy articles made, nominated, and developed so can advertise our good work. Flesh out the stub articles for full information, context, date, etc. Go through the plagiarised articles and many of the years pages and rewrite them in your own words. Go through older articles on the wiki and make sure they're all formatted correctly, in past tense, in-universe, and properly referenced. If you feel technically minded, play around with code and template formatting. Or whatever else you feel needs to be cleaned up.

Well, keep working!

— BadCatMan (talk) 01:10, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I've posted about at the Forgotten Realms Wiki at the two big FR fora, the " Wizards Community and the Candlekeep Forum, in order to garner reactions and thoughts and ideas from the general fan-base. Feel free to follow them and chime in.— BadCatMan (talk) 11:28, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Interest comments... hmmm... I wonder if we could have a link-to section on the homepage to redirect homebrewed articles to actual homebrewed wikis... kind of like when someone calls my law firm wanting criminal law and we refer them somewhere else... just a really-early-in-the-morning thought :)
Darkwynters (talk) 13:39, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

BadCat: As a suggestion, while you are touting our new and improved wiki with its prodigious page count, I think you ought to mention the often overlooked power of our categories. :) DW has really whipped them into shape and interested readers could spend hours perusing them all. They offer organization that the search feature just cannot provide and they make the wiki even more valuable to DMs who are looking for info pertaining to their particular area of the FR map, for example. The category feature rarely gets mentioned and I think once people realize what they can do, we will have a more active and participatory readership (which is both a blessing and a curse, but there you have it). :)
Moviesign (talk) 00:33, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Good point. Sorry, DW. :( I hinted at Darkwynters's work with my mention of things being organized. I'll try to tout it in my next response at Candlekeep.

What can we take back from these discussions?

People do in fact use the FRW regularly. Yay! :D

They don't like the ads. Nothing to do with us, that's all Wikia.

Edition War: People are still cheesed over the Spellplague and don't like having it touching the classic stuff. Fair enough, but there's nothing we can or should do about it. It would harm the wiki for us to be partisan over this, by producing awkwardly shaped articles, a mess of rules, and driving away users of the newer stuff. These complaints should be addressed by having more complete, smooth articles.

Ed Greenwood: Ed's responses at Candlekeep and other comments are indeed canon, so we can accept them. I believe User:Eli the Tanner was going to restart discussion on this.

Homebrew: I don't think we can possibly manage this, and it would be easily confused with official lore. There are a huge number of wikis and websites for people's home campaigns and homebrewed lore, and we couldn't keep track of linking them all. If someone does create a homebrew D&D wiki, it would appear in the Wikia Gaming footer at the bottom of the main page. So linking to other related wikis is automatic.

Bad Old Days: People still worry about the bad old days of messy articles and copied, uncited, or homebrewed material, and again 4th edition. That's still a problem with the older articles we haven't got to yet, and there's quite a lot of them. Hopefully, with this effort, opinions will improve and people will be more willing to give the FRW a go. Otherwise, we keep cleaning up and adding content.

So we keep doing what we're doing. :)

— BadCatMan (talk) 01:03, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh, I've been "touted" about... glad to see my insane organization skills have come in handy :)
Darkwynters (talk) 05:18, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Good news everybody! On the Wikia Activity Monitor, the Forgotten Realms Wiki currently has a score of 94.12/100 and rising and is ranked 237 out of Wikia's top 5000 wikis and 112 out of the Video Games category (we're in Tabletop Games, which is in the Wikia Gaming hub, which is in the Video Games hub): [1] Meanwhile, Darkwynters reports that we've had 64,700 views yesterday and 419,300 views in the last week. Awesome!

I think all the recent editing work, article creation and publicity at the forums has really paid off. Good work everybody! — BadCatMan (talk) 09:44, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

From the above-linked discussions and fan reactions to the FRW, I conclude we need to focus on content, rather than design or features (though they are nice to have too). By improving our existing content, we can improve our standing with the FR fans and players. That is:

  • Adding new content and creating new articles, which we are proceeding with quite nicely.
  • Finding, tagging, and deleting or rewriting copied material.
  • Rehabilitating old bad pages: removing from the timeline (past tense), using an in-universe perspective, providing citations.

Given the wiki's past, we have a lot of pages that need to be thoroughly checked and rehabilitated. Given the wiki's size, that's countless thousands of them. The task is honestly Herculean. I've been working on the copied years pages out of Grand History, and checking through the As, but barely scratched it. It's slow-going and tedious, and there are my own projects and current work to examine. Some pages are honestly quite daunting. I'd like to know more efficient, effective ways of dealing with it all, to most quickly improve our face to the fandom.

I was thinking maybe we could bring in some outside assistance, and was looking at the Community Development Team. Their offer of help with content creation might apply to us. We could have someone who's more experienced with Wikia ways and many other wikis come in to offer advice, suggest strategies, and answer questions. So, what do you think?

— BadCatMan (talk) 13:40, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I just spent some time looking through their request archives and they have a few tips to make your wiki more popular, but it doesn't look like they do much more than customize logos, skins, and optimize your search engine (I finally figured out what SEO stood for). That's not the kind of help you had in mind, was it? I'm fairly certain that they don't want to slog through thousands of articles any more than we do. Besides, how would they know if an article was copied directly from the source? Unless we get lucky and there is a Forgotten Realms fan on the staff, I doubt they will be willing to roll up their sleeves and help scrub our content. The only thing I can think of that might be really helpful is if they have any database scripts that we could use (or they use for us). For example, a script that searches our wiki for pages with no ref tags and adds the Unreferenced template to them.
Moviesign (talk) 15:29, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

They have two request options: "design help", which seems to be what most people ask for; and "help with content creation and/or organization". I was thinking of the latter.

I don't expect them to help us scrub articles. I just figured they might be able to share strategies or plans (which articles we should focus on), give ideas on projects, or offer advice on legal matters (what else to do with the copyright infringing articles). I guess we could come up with them ourselves, but it seemed like it might be helpful to learn how others in our position might do things, what works and what doesn't.

— BadCatMan (talk) 15:38, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was looking especially for "content" help requests and didn't see much that was useful or applicable. However, if you have specific questions that you want to ask, it probably won't hurt to ask them. Probably.
Moviesign (talk) 17:56, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't find many examples of content work either. Not that we couldn't also do with some design improvement here and there.

Or I could stop worrying, suck it up, and get back to work on it like you and BooToo. :)

— BadCatMan (talk) 13:08, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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