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So, as many have suspected, 5th edition is well under development over at WotC.

Normally, I wouldn't necessarily bother posting this, since we're an FR-specific wiki and not a D&D general one, but this has several implications for the Realms. First of all, rules regarding classes and races are likely to change again, though this should be relatively easy to deal with, I expect. But more important (and interesting, I think, to the community) is this little tidbit, as reported from EN World:

The Forgotten Realms will be supported from the start, and a video game art studio from China has been hired to fully detail the Realms. I asked if going forward support would be continued for the current time after the Spellplague and the Neverwinter Campaign. A WotC spokesperson answered, 'The Forgotten Realms has a rich history and we will support all of it. It is for the gamers to decide which time they would enjoy playing in.' That would allow Wizards to take advantage of a massive back catalog of products; however, there are no current plans that we know of for other settings - we assume these will follow in later years.
  — Christopher Hackler

This seems to imply two things generally:

1) The new edition will be removed from the timeline, much like this wiki, or at the very least will supporter earlier periods of FR history, with its rules applicable to the Age of Humanity as easily as the post-Spellplague years.

2) I may be reading this incorrectly but it sounds to me like FR is going to be the core setting of the new edition. This is an interesting decision, if true, given the gradual expansion of 4e's "points of light" setting, which I assumed they'd keep for later editions. This isn't necessarily a good thing if true, given the fate of Greyhawk in 4e, but it doesn't have to be a bad thing either.

Anyhow, thought I'd just post that and see what the rest of you had to say about it.

Niirfa-sa 17:39, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


1)I doubt they will do that. That is just normal interview doublespeak. They want to make everything sound good to everyone. (and where is this Wiki removed from the time line with all the 4E must ruin 1/2/3E stuff? eh?)

2)I doubt this will happen. There simply is too much hatred for the Realms. They would rightly fear the loss of the young kids ever buying a Realms book. After all, even the massive nerf the Realms got in 4E to attempt to appease all the Realms haters(and purposely cast out the Realms fans) did not work. None of the Realms haters fell in love with the setting once Wizards changed everything to suit their whines and cries. How much support has FR even gotten in 4E? A couple books?

Bloodtide 20:39, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


I don't know where you've gotten the idea that the Realms is a hated campaign setting. According to our own Category:Novels, there have been 225 novels written (and I know there are more, as we're still missing pages). According to the same page on the Eberron wiki (though I can't verify its accuracy), there are only 40. Only the Wikipedia list of Dragonlance novels compares with our own, and I still think we're beating them.

The same is true of sourcebooks - we definitely have more of them. Granted, there were a lot more of them published pre-4E, but that's true of the other settings except WotC's generic "points-of-light" setting.

Until Wizards does something contradictory to what they've stated in that article, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Cronje (talkcontribs) 19:52, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads up on this. It's a very interesting thought.

I fail to see how...

  • The new edition's Realms source material being full of lore and...
  • The new edition not targeting a specific point in time...

...can both be true.

I personally hope that the new edition's Realms material will continue from where 3.5 edition left off, along that timeline, since there is so much there already, however...

  • Kids are used to MMOs these days so lore and richly detailed worlds tend to come second place to fast-flowing crunch-based rulebooks, in terms of what sells (and who can blame a company for wanting to produce products that sell?)
  • I believe the lore burden of all the 3.5 edition and earlier materials is a severe barrier to game designers and writers adding further material, as there's just too much to take in, and too much of a risk of contradicting the earlier material.

Interestingly the latter of those points (the ease of contradiction) is exactly the kind of thing that can be avoided with a relatively complete, well-sourced wiki, which is our aim, so in a way, I'd like to think our efforts here are helping to facilitate the ease of expansion upon 3.5 edition era lore!

WotC have made several decisions over recent years that have appeared to be deeply unpopular, such as removing the print and online versions of the magazines (replacing them with single article downloads) and advancing the Realms timeline 100 years. However, I believe the most vocal people are the older Realms fans who are more passionate about the setting and more inclined to have their say, so there are countless droves of gamers who add nothing on the opposite side of the argument but are still quite happy to lap up recent WotC products.

User:Fw190a8 23:25, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
1) I doubt they will do that. That is just normal interview doublespeak. They want to make everything sound good to everyone. (and where is this Wiki removed from the time line with all the 4E must ruin 1/2/3E stuff? eh?)
  — Bloodtide

I don't think so. Granted, I doubt they'll give every era of FR history equal and total attention, but I think there will be an actual effort to allow for playing outside of the official year of play, if there even is such a thing for 5e. At the very least we're likely to at least see an effort to appeal to disgruntled fans who'd rather play in the pre-Spellplague days.

2)I doubt this will happen. There simply is too much hatred for the Realms. They would rightly fear the loss of the young kids ever buying a Realms book.
  — Bloodtide

Where's this supposed hatred for the Realms? I think most players of D&D are fairly neutral towards it. There were only particular aspects of 3e FR that really bothered people, mostly the idea that players were overshadowed by the plethora of epic-level NPCs. Perhaps you're talking about WotC, but I see no reason to believe that they hate the setting either, even if they haven't treated it the way we would have.

That said, I may be entirely wrong on the "FR as core" statement. After all, it would seem rather strange to abandon "points of light" which has developed a character of its own despite WotC's attempts to keep it as generic as possible and while FR is undoubtedly more popular than Eberron or Dark Sun, it still doesn't strike me as "core" material (i.e., applicable to everything else).

Still, that's how I read the statement and given that FR was already the first setting supported for 4e it would seem strange to use the same launch schedule for 5e and highlight it as special.

and where is this Wiki removed from the time line with all the 4E must ruin 1/2/3E stuff? eh?
  — Bloodtide

This is off-topic but I'll briefly address the point. "Removed from the timeline" doesn't mean "removed from canon." The most recent material has the highest level of canonicity, according to such people as Ed Greenwood himself. Just because we try to give all eras equal attention doesn't mean that we don't follow canon. The same rule applies to many other fictional wikis like Wookieepedia or The Vault.

Niirfa-sa 04:42, January 11, 2012 (UTC)


The next big event in the Forgotten Realms is called "the Sundering."
Quin 02:04, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


Quin, interesting... thanks for the update :)
Darkwynters (talk) 05:03, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


If you read Ed Greenwood Presents Elminster's Forgotten Realms, much of the lore in that is already represented in a way that takes the writing out of a specific timeline context. Events are mentioned that occur both after the current 4e year and before the beginning of the Age of Upheaval. It's written in much the same way that we do things - with everything in past tense.
hashtalk 14:05, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


Does any one have any news about that realms history visualisation? Maybe the studio that's making it? Also any one got an eye on these new realms adventures? I have a hard time getting what that whole thing is... there like tests for the 5e system? I would love to get my hands on the "Dead in Thay" but I cant :S (Oohh i want news about the Thay'ans!)!
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