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Since my PCs visited the Conclave of Silverymoon to research kiira and the Rock of Bral, I've been writing/updating articles for that great university.

One problem I have had is knowing which infobox to use and how to categorize. Right now, there is no consensus.

For example, is Fochlucan an organization or a building? Currently, it is only an organization on our wiki with an {{Organization}} infobox, though its location as a building is discussed in the text.

On the other hand, the Lady's College has a {{Building}} infobox, complete with a Volo's rating, and is categorized as a location.

Arkhen's Invocatorium is also treated as a building, though it has had multiple locations.

Then we have the Conclave itself. I currently chose to give it {{Location}} infobox, but I used both location and organization categories.

And how do categorize the institutions as within the Conclave? Do they belong in Category:Locations in the Conclave of Silverymoon or Category:Organizations in the Conclave of Silverymoon or both or something else?

Any thoughts appreciated.

~ Lhynard (talk) 22:44, May 6, 2018 (UTC)
I'd say organization. The reason for this is; first, on Toril schools and universities are generally privately run and act more like companies; second, - this is crunchy though - Dungeon Master's Guide II from 3.5e categorizes schools as businesses and guilds (p.180 and 224), in the Realms the Eltorchul Academy and New Ollam are categorized as guilds/organizations.
Saya222 (talk) 23:48, May 6, 2018 (UTC)


If there is enough material, I would prefer separate articles for the building and the organization. Call one of them Fochlucan College and the other College of Fochlucan, or break out the parentheses with Fochlucan College (building). Buildings can contain Organizations, but not the reverse, and I would prefer we don't get to the point where Orgs contain Orgs (we don't do this for Orders within Churches, for example). Orgs that move to different buildings would document that in their History sections, and the Building article would change names with redirects as needed (like House of the Lions). If you're talking about multiple buildings, then that should be a Location, because Locations can contain other Locations (and Buildings are also Locations).
Moviesign (talk) 00:00, May 7, 2018 (UTC)


Nowadays, we view colleges as buildings, but the former meaning of the word was an organization. For the most part, this is still the case in the Realms, but not always. Both forms can be applicable. I encountered this with the psionic organizations. The College of the Eclipse is described as an organization with unnamed, barely mentioned headquarters. So I applied the 3-sentence rule and incorporated the building into the organization's page. I infoboxed it as an organization and put categories for both on that page. For the Kaliesh'erai, the Hall of the Kaliesh'erai was sufficiently well-detailed to make a separate page, so they could be separated. The Hall of Mental Splendor is a clearly a building, but also described as an organization; I infoboxed it as a building and put categories for both. So, I approached it on an ad hoc basis for whatever was clear and comprehensive, but given the variability of the lore, that seems fair. You can put two sets of categories on a page and two infoboxes on a page if you need.
— BadCatMan (talk) 03:35, May 7, 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Here are some replies:

  • "Dungeon Master's Guide II from 3.5e categorizes schools as businesses and guilds (p.180 and 224), in the Realms the Eltorchul Academy and New Ollam are categorized as guilds/organizations."
    This is all very true, but the same applies to all taverns and shops. In all those cases, we treat them as buildings on this wiki. The {{Building}} infobox includes business information, such as owner and staff. However, we then don't bother categorizing them as organizations. Maybe we should?
  • "If there is enough material, I would prefer separate articles for the building and the organization."
    I think that there rarely ever would be enough information for this sort of thing. There are only a handful of cases where we know in the lore which buildings have contained multiple establishments, but in all of those cases, I don't think we are ever given the name of the building separate from the organizations within.
    In the real world, buildings don't often get names either. There are obviously exceptions for fancy buildings. On the contrary, most buildings are distinct from the organization within them by their address. We aren't often given addresses fro buildings in Faerûn. The only cases I know of are the rare cases of the intersections of streets. Do we really want to have an article for "Shop at the northwest intersection of Cat's Claw Lane and Dragon Street in Forestshire" if two separate organizations are found there?
  • "I would prefer we don't get to the point where Orgs contain Orgs (we don't do this for Orders within Churches, for example)."
    How do we categorize church orders then?
~ Lhynard (talk) 20:49, May 14, 2018 (UTC)