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I just added a setting field to {{Book}}. It seems to me like it had been lacking. We already have realms year, and this seemed to be the missing half to that.

However, I'd like to take it further than this. As a DM—and even more so as a lore-seeker for this wiki—I'd like to be able to go to a single page to see every sourcebook (novel, sourcebook, or adventure module, whatever) set in a given year or in a given location. I am a strong believer in auto-categorization and category pages over manually edited lists, so here is what I propose. I'd like some feedback/criticism and afterward help at implementing it.

Proposal 1 — Categories 
I'd like to have the {{Book}} template automatically add Category:Books set in XXXX DR for every year given in the realms year field and Category:Books set in Foo for every setting listed in the setting field.
  • This would be problematic for books that have a range of years, but we could simply generate only two Category:Books set in XXXX DR for the start and end years.
  • These categories would all fall under the parents Category:Books by Realms year and Category:Books by setting.
  • These categories would allow us to use DPL to auto-generate the List of novels in chronological order and List of sourcebooks in chronological order pages, which are super handy to have as pages except that they have to be manually maintained, which is poor design.
Proposal 2 — {{Yearbox/in-novels}} 
I'd like to have this template modified to, in addition to the simple banner, automatically use DPL to provide a bulleted list of all pages with both Category:Books set in {{PAGENAME}} and Category:Novels.
Proposal 3 — {{Category jump}} 
I want to add a novels field, similar to the sourcebooks link that we already often add manually. If set to yes, both would automatically create links to category intersections of Category:Novels & Category:Books set in Foo and Category:Sourcebooks & Category:Books set in Foo, respectively.


~ Lhynard (talk) 22:25, August 12, 2018 (UTC)
What do you consider a setting? Things like "The Friendly Arm Inn", "Cormyr", "the Time of Troubles", and "Northwest Faerûn", in addition to "Planescape", "Karu-Tur" etc.? How much of a novel or a comic has to take place in a particular Location for it to be considered "set in" that Location? I would like to keep the number of values of Foo as small as possible so we do not generate a bazillion mostly useless categories that mimic our "Appearances" sections.

As for years:

  • If the realm year field is blank, do we need an "unknown" category? If so, what should it be called?
  • What if the year is given as circa XXXX or "the late 1350s"?
  • Some of the entries in the List of sourcebooks in chronological order have months added. Those will not be present in an automatically generated list.

That's all I have time for tonight. I may have more tomorrow. This is an ambitious project, but could be fun if we can keep it from runaway complexity.

Moviesign (talk) 03:24, August 13, 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me! As for settings, I would suggest to stick to what we have in Category:Books by campaign setting already. The decision what is what can often be solved by what setting symbol is on the cover, with a few exceptions (Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms being the obvious one). Not sure how this is with comics.

Hmm, thinking about it, should we have a category for Core books, too? What should it be called?

I have no idea how to solve unclear cases for the Realms year, though. To have an "unknown" category would be good in my opinion. But like the cases Moviesign mentioned, what if we can pin it down to within a few years, but not to one specifically? Maybe we should decide on a likely year for these cases and explain in a note? But what e.g. with Netheril: Empire of Magic or Evermeet: Island of Elves, each covering thousands of years?

Daranios (talk) 15:37, August 13, 2018 (UTC)