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At the moment this wiki doesn't use the definite article for the article titles of taverns, inns, and so on.


(Granted, there are some articles that defy this convention, such as The Roving Rune)

I propose we begin using the definite article for these cases, as per Wikipedia's naming conventions on the subject.

Their convention essentially states that in cases where "The" is part of a subject's proper name, it should be included in the title.

Furthermore, "If a word with a definite article has a different meaning with respect to the same word without the article, the word with article can be used as the name of a Wikipedia article about that meaning, and the word without article can be used as the name of a separate Wikipedia article."

This would apply to Cutlass (inn), which shares a name with cutlass, the weapon.

However, "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the Wikipedia article name. Otherwise, do not (except in the case of musical groups; see below)."

In most cases, I imagine the names of inns in running text would be "the Yawning Portal" rather than "The Yawning Portal". However, I would argue that since "the" is part of the subject's proper name, it would still qualify for the "Names of groups, sports teams and companies" caveat.
As an example, many Wikipedia articles on pubs and the like feature "The" as part of their title:
The World's End, Camden
The Old Bull and Bush
However, some don't, maybe an issue with consistency:
Star Tavern, Belgravia

I realize this is a very minor issue, it's just been bugging me a little. Note that this would only affect inns that actually have "the" as part of their proper name. Thoughts?

Ir'revrykal (talk) 11:54, January 18, 2017 (UTC)

Long ago, I found two Bent Bow locations... when I researched the other one, I found it could be spelled differently, hence Bent Bow Bowyer... I like Cutlass (inn) and cutlass... I am not a fan of The Cutlass... many sourcebooks do not capitalize the "The" in the materials... Such as page 20 of the Cormyr (sourcebook) in regards to the Bent Bow... I personally do not like to include "The" in the titles... in relation to categories, such as Inhabitants of The Bent Bow... looks strange next to Inhabitants of the Bent Bow... my two copper thumbs

- Darkwynters (talk) 00:30, January 21, 2017 (UTC)

It would still be written "the Cutlass" in text and in categories, this change would only affect the actual article titles.

Ir'revrykal (talk) 10:29, January 21, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Darkwynters here. Have "The" in front of every tavern name, plus seeing the category "Inhabitants of The Yawning Portal" just doesn't look right. Besides, adjusting the def. sort. for all of these pages would be a pain since I assume we wouldn't have them all appear under the T's because of "The".
Artemaz (talk) 13:10, January 21, 2017 (UTC)
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