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I was looking at the chart for "Human" as seen on the Ffolk page near the bottom. Currently the Major human ethnic groups are Calishite, Chondathan, Damaran, Illuskan, Mulan, Rashemi, and Tethyrian.

Several groups which seem Major to me are listed as Minor including Zakharans, Mazticans, Shou, and perhaps Ulutian. What are the defining criteria for listing one as either Major or Minor?

Artemaz (talk) 20:23, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

If memory serves me right, the classification in the template is the same as used in Races of Faerûn, and thus is rather Faerûn-centric instead of related to number of inhabitants.
Daranios (talk) 16:53, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

That's a weird decision on WoTC's part. Oh well.
Artemaz (talk) 17:15, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Found the spot on p. 80: "This chapter details the seven major ethnic groups of northern and central Faerûn [...]. A number of other human ethnic groups are touched on briefly [...]. Some have vanished or all but vanished from the face of Abeir-Toril [...] while others are numerous but rarely seen in the heartlands of Faerûn."
Daranios (talk) 21:39, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I wonder if the admins would approve a shifting of that table to reflect the major ethnic groups for the entire planet and not just Faerûn. It just seems silly to have Chondathans as a major group and not Zakharans or Shou who are many times more populous.
Artemaz (talk) 21:51, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

The old {{Humans}} is going away to be replaced by the one on my project page: Ethnicity Project.
~ Lhynard (talk) 04:39, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, "major" is really only for the purposes of sourcebook organisation and importance to typical FR campaigns, and are only major within a limited area. It's like the "major" deities of Faiths and Pantheons, including nobodies like Uthgar. I think we may discard it, as it doesn't work for world-wide organisation. At best, a page discussing human ethnicities or Faerûn might discuss which are major or most populous in that region.

Lhynard, I like your updated navigation box.

BTW, Dragon magazine #315 describes ethnic groups for the peoples and nations of Kara-Tur, largely descriptions of the inhabitants of each nation. You might find it useful, Lhynard. :)
— BadCatMan (talk) 08:35, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ahh Lhyn's project is exactly what I had in mind. :)
Artemaz (talk) 13:52, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

FYI, I have finally replaced the old {{Humans}} navbox with my new one. I waited for so long, because I did not want to fill up Special:WantedPages with numerous red links with over 100 links. Currently, to the best of my current knowledge, only two articles remain to be created: Ice Hunters, which I'll do tomorrow, and Wanese, which I'll leave for BadCatMan. (I still have many, many to update, with infoboxes and such, but at least the links aren't red.)
~ Lhynard (talk) 06:15, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, in the Forgotten Realms setting, it often works like it does in the real world: there will be a nationality and an ethnic group of the same name, and they will be closely associated, and many individuals of one will also be the other.

Real world example: Turks as a nationality and Turks as an ethnic group.

Gringo300 (talk) 22:31, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is the same thing in the Realms. If I am talking about the Calishite army, I link using [[Calimshan|Calishite]]; if I am talking about a Calishite spouse of a king of Tethyr, I use [[Calishite]]. Most of the Chultans are Chultans but not all. Nationalities should link to the article for the nation, whereas ethnicities get their own article.

I should note that the demonym is not always the same as the ethnicity. The nationality, for example, is Thindolese, but the ethnicity is Thinguth.

~ Lhynard (talk) 22:37, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, and I am not a Forgotten Realms expert, Forgotten Realms features fictional Human languages based on real Earth Human languages. Of course, the non-Human languages are going to be fictional.

Obviously, there will be a close relationship between ethnic groups and languages.

Gringo300 (talk) 06:23, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

It varies a lot. Most of the languages in Faerûn (the setting of the Forgotten Realms) aren't based on anything on Earth. The words we know are completely made up and generally they're translated for our benefit. Sometimes authors borrow names or concepts from a language or culture, but we can't really say they're the same.

However, the other continents/settings such as Kara-Tur and Zakhara are more explicitly based on Earth cultures; the language of Zakhara, Midani is Arabic or more widely Semitic, while the {{Kara-Turan languages}} are each linked with an Asian language. Lidahan is exactly Indonesian, for example. But we can also assume that's translated to an Earth language for familiarity or ease of translation; the people of southern Kara-Tur are not actually speaking Indonesian.

In any case, there is no reliable relationship between ethnicity and language. People migrate to new lands, are conquered by others, learn through trade, and often pick up different languages, and can speak a native language very different from any original language.
— BadCatMan (talk) 11:30, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

From what I've been able to piece together, the Forgotten Realms and Ravenloft settings have a good bit in common: fictional countries, nationalities, ethnic groups, languages, etc. based on real Earth countries, nationalities, ethnic groups, languages, etc.. Well, in Ravenloft, the term "domains" is used instead of countries.
Gringo300 (talk) 02:39, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
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