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A long-neglected feature of the Front Page has been the Featured Sources. So far there are only 9 that cycle through. We need more!

The purpose of this thread is to discuss what standards would a source need to qualify as a Featured Source, nomination process, and anything that you might suggest.

A Featured Source could be a sourcebook, adventure, novel, comic, magazine issue, video game, or anything official release (cards, board games, etc).

A Featured Source should have, when applicable, a full index and infobox, contents, credits, and either a plot summary or a detailed one. It should also be properly formatted with an appendix section with, if applicable, gallery, further reading, external links and references.

Featured Sources would be nominated in the same fashion as Featured Articles. And have its own Featured Sources notification box at the top of an article similar to Good Articles.

And a new Featured Sources would be scheduled to post on our Twitter account as part of our throwbackthursdays series!

Thanks!

Regis87 (talk) 22:26, May 7, 2020 (UTC)

I think that I agree with all of that.

I would add that we need to decide on a role about sourcing information.

Also, I feel like we need some standards about section headings, index format, etc.

Random thoughts in no particular order:

• Lead paragraphs, like any other article, should include the significance of the work, which may be a super-quick summary of key events. The blurb itself is not enough.
• The so-called blurb, does not need a section heading.
  • It is a rare case where it should be a direct quote from the back of the book.
  • It should have wiki links.
• A Summary section is a short over-view.
• A Synopsis section is a detailed plot overview.
• There is no need for us to hide spoilers.
• To be a featured source, does the article have to include page numbers in its index with the {{P}} template?
• Since the whole article is out-of-universe anyhow, any Credits section does not need to go in the Appendix; it's a core part of the content of the article.
  • If we are going to start including detailed credits beyond what is already in our infobox, I think that we should make a template or decide on a format for it.

That's all I have for now, I think.

~ Lhynard (talk) 00:48, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

I agree with much of the above. Some comments:

• A very large amount of sources on the wiki would pass the criteria in the original post, and many of which that are on the Featured Sources list would not. Are most sources going to end up featured? If so, should the criteria be stricter?
  • What makes The Gathering featured, whilst other comics of that series are not? All of them are very similar in content and completeness.
  • What makes The Twilight Tomb featured, whilst several other adventures are not, such as Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave. Almost all of the 5th edition adventure articles are far superior in indexing and content than the prior.
  • Why is Dungeon magazine 75 featured at all? The first article has only Chauntea in its index, though there is much more content within.
  • Realms of Valor is full of inconsistent formatting and has many completely empty sections and indexes. Same with Realms of the Dead, as within is not a single index, and some sections are a single line long.

• How "complete" should the content of the source be?
  • Fully complete content: All topics about the source have their own page (no red links). Example: Menzoberranzan (game)
  • Complete content: The main/important topics about the source have their own page. Example: The Halfling's Gem
  • Not complete content: Some or no topics about the source have their own page (lots of red links).

Other general comments:

• Should articles about collections or series of sources (such as the Dragon (magazine) article) be considered as featured, even though it is not about a single source? The criteria will have to be vastly different to accommodate for this. For that reason, I don't think collections should be considered.

• I don't think its necessary for the article to have page numbers in its index. If I want to read about a character (especially a source-specific character), I will go to its own page and find out where it is referenced. Furthermore, in this modern era, there are many different formats. Take a novel: there are hardbacks, softbacks, omnibuses, collector's editions, epubs, pdfs, audiobooks, tablets and, so many more (Kindle, Android, iOS readers). There are also many other editions and re-releases of each. This is much better organized in references on the appropriate page where the format can be specified, rather than in a generic index.

Cheers.

Possessed Priest (talk) 13:45, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

I propose this checklist be used for nomination. Placed in talk page like Good Article nominations.

Lead paragraph and blurb

yes

Infobox Complete

yes

Formatted

yes

Summary/Synopsis

yes

Indexed/Table of Contents

yes

Credits

yes

Cover Image page formatted, sourced and credited

yes

Nearly complete

yes

Policy-adherent/Demonstrative

yes

Regis87 (talk) 18:02, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Regis. This checklist looks incredibly broad, and the individual criteria are without definition. Perhaps you could address some of the above issues raised above by Lhynard and myself, and provide some definitions? The featured articles page does this nicely. Also, the process of nomination seems to mimic Good Articles, not Featured Articles. If these sources are to be "featured", they should follow the same nomination process as Featured Articles, as these articles are meant to represent some of the best articles on the wiki.

Possessed Priest (talk) 18:50, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

For some background, when I first created Featured Articles and Featured Sources, there were no source pages that would've met any of the above criteria. Hence, the few I picked initially were examples that were fairly fleshed out in some way and that I was able work up; obviously not all would meet any updated criteria today. At the time, I didn't know if indexing would be the standard, or if plot summaries would be preferred. I also felt that a source would have an easier time reaching Featured standard: does it have a lead, a filled-in infobox, a blurb, a complete index, and a little background and summary? If so, then done. What else could one say about it? It just has to check some boxes. I figured that was sufficient for the time, but obviously there are more examples and more factors now, so I welcome an improvement.

On the specific Featured Sources mentioned above:

• The Gathering: This is the very first FR comic and first of its series. It has a complete index and details. So I still think this is a worthy candidate.
• Cormyr: The Tearing of the Weave: I haven't finished indexing it yet, so it is not a candidate.
• Dungeon magazine 75: This is one of the few I picked initially, just to have one completely indexed FS (the first on the wiki to be fully indexed). The first adventure only has one suggested FR connection, only the second is properly set in the Realms. I still think it's a decent candidate. A Dungeon magazine should be featured, but by their nature, they're not especially Realms-focused.
• Realms of Valor: The other one I picked initially, just because it was the only one with some information, and the two stories I index. I don't think this should be an FS these days, and now it no longer is.

I agree with all the criteria above. However, I don't believe page numbers should be required, or even used. They are just so time-consuming and tedious to fill out that's in impediment indexing (I never did finish indexing Darkwalker on Moonshae because of this). I also feel most or all topics indexed should link to decent articles, with few if any red links. What's the point of featuring a source if we can't tell the reader anything about what's in it? Finally, the Featured Source should have at least a cover image, to have something to show on the Main Page and Twitter post, though this excludes RPGA, Living, and Adventurers League pages.

— BadCatMan (talk) 09:17, May 23, 2020 (UTC)