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Hello all. I've been working on the wiki for a while now. Among other work, I've recently been sorting out a lot of orphaned pages and files (images). I had a couple of questions:

1) I was wondering how necessary it is to red link articles which would only consist of a line or two (they would forever be a tiny stub). For example, on the Dorn Black Axe#Possessions page, there are three named pieces of equipment. There is no further information on these pieces of equipment; this is even cited in the source material.

After creating and filling out the page, these had been red linked. There really isn't much to say, apart from, "this axe once belonged to Dorn Black Axe". Is it still necessary to red link these items?

2) There are a lot of site-specific images, which get in the way of the unused images section. For example: File:Merge-split-transwiki default.svg, this helpful merge image file is included as "orphaned", but is used frequently. It doesn't relate to FR material, but is very helpful for the website itself. Thus, in order to make the Special:UnusedFiles a lot cleaner for editors, it might be better to make a page for site-specific material. Something like Special:WebFiles? I'd be more than happy to migrate these across.

Let me know your thoughts
Possessed Priest (talk) 00:16, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for all your efforts, I hope you're having fun :)
  1. There is no shame in red links. I draw the line at dictionary words (like "fish"—I would not link this because it's a common thing that exists in FR and our world. If you don't know what a fish is, you can look it up.) but anything in the Realms that is not ordinary can be linked. Just like in some of your favorite TV shows, characters who die are not always really dead, so too do the designers mine the past for ideas (look how many times we have visited the Temple of Elemental Evil over the years) and something obscure could become mainstream. A red link actually indicates that something interesting is going on here and might need investigating. Note that sometimes a stub article is okay because it gives us a place to hang the categories, but generally we try to follow the Forgotten Realms Wiki:3 Sentence Rule. That's my $0.02.
  2. I took a look at quite a few of those images and they are indeed unused, including that double arrow image you linked—I'm not sure it's being used anywhere. The exceptions are the images that are used by the CSS (the scroll and borderbox images, the gradients, and perhaps a few others). If they really bug you, try making a page in your sandbox that displays them and see if they disappear from the list. Note that the list doesn't update immediately, you might have to wait a day or two.
Moviesign (talk) 03:59, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
FWIW, I will be using all of the images of celestials that I uploaded; do not feel the need to find homes for all of them.
~ Lhynard (talk) 11:27, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
I was the one who made the red links. :) I think there's always a benefit to making an article, no matter how small or innocuous the topic.

For example, if I'm looking for named axes of the Realms (say for treasure in a campaign), it would be good to find the Black Axe of Dorn in Category:Axes, even if there's little known about it. As your article says, "The legend of these items never faded away." so clearly they're important to the setting, even if we know nothing about that legend. This being an RPG-based setting, DMs and PCs can always add in any missing lore.

And you can still say quite a bit about nothing by talking around the topic (look how verbose I get!). For example, "The Black Axe of Dorn was the legendary weapon of the dwarf warrior Dorn Black Axe. He wielded it in battle against Menzoberra's drow around −3900 DR, when he was slain and the weapon lost. Though its power was unknown, it was still told of in legend by the mid–14th century DR, and was the namesake for Dorn himself and Clan Black Axe. In fact, unknown to local grimlocks, the weapon and Dorn's other treasures remained interred in the stone at the site of Dorn's death and his later cairn. If these treasures were to be unearthed and displayed, those doing so would be seen as tomb robbers by all shield dwarves." That more than passes three sentences. Even if it was only two sentences, since it can exist independent of Dorn, I'd say it qualifies as its own article, or as a categorised redirect to the Dorn article.

Moreover, you never know what kind of follow-up or prior lore there might be. Sometimes what looks like a throw-away line here actually references something quite detailed elsewhere, whether by design or coincidence. And as Moviesign says, old lore gets mined all the time. As we see here, Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark (1999) expanded Dorn Black Axe from the then-seven-year-old Menzoberranzan game (1992), so the possibility exists of another source doing the same.

And for things like fish, I think there could be a benefit to knowing all the fish of the Realms, whether through a fish article giving an overview or a redirect to Category:fish. Look how massive granite got.

As for the images, sorting out the tech images could be helpful for clearing out that category or making them useful somewhere.

Anyway, thanks for getting so busy and involved in the FRW!
— BadCatMan (talk) 11:39, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
Cheers for the responses!
Possessed Priest (talk) 13:06, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
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