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Ah, it seems that Wikia has made a new feature called Maps. In short, one needs to upload an image and pin to that image a short description. Naturally, the images must be *huge* to have the best result.

Anyway, I believe this might be a good feature. Considering your wiki contains many maps (Oh look, one is a Wiki background!), it would be wise to activate it.

What do you think of it?
Energy X 19:14, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

It's not quite a new concept. One of our editors, Thomaslove92, created something similar, at Forum:New location idea, last year. However, I don't think he quite finished it. I've also seen hard-coded versions on other wikis.

I still need to work out how to use Wikia Maps. But it would need to be applied to the FRW carefully. The Realms can be so well detailed that we might not see the map for the pins! Perhaps more detail on local region maps; cities and realms only on the whole continent maps; and maybe campaign trails on specific maps for some novels and wars. Anyway, we tend to have more fundamental issues to clean up (plagiarised and other crappy articles) before getting too dedicated to frippery, IMO. :)

In any case, Maps are still in beta. If someone really wants it, I'll activate it.
— BadCatMan (talk) 12:01, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

I see. Well, there could be some locations that might need maps. Well, I am not certain how much the guy you mentioned used that template, but it seems the code is quite complex. Even if it is not, the pins can be used much easier and nicer (even with a floating text and image). Anyway, it needs a lot of time and dedication, but the results are pleasing.

Energy X 17:33, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

A couple of points: 1) the maps should work in all wikia skins, and the last attempt broke in monobook. 2) uploading maps at full size and resolution probably does not fall under the "fair use" clause.
Moviesign (talk) 02:09, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I made a trial map, but I can't see it. When I view Special:Maps/1318 I get a blank page and the only option is to delete the map. What do you guys see?
Moviesign (talk) 21:14, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

I see a scrollable map. It's not a normal image, so maybe something in your browser is blocking it from you, Movie? Or maybe it just took Wikia a while to actually make it work. That happens sometimes on the Special namespace pages. 00:10, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Using the latest Firefox, I saw the map, just like in the examples. The only action available was to delete it.
— BadCatMan (talk) 00:50, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I got it working. My browser was set to block a necessary component. I can mark locations on the map, right now the only pin category is "Mines". I'm still dubious about using this. Can anyone think of an application for this that our regular maps don't already cover? I might make one that shows the location of all the local Heralds, but...whoopee. :-/
Moviesign (talk) 01:22, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I like how I can zoom in and see the world... the Googlelike pointer is... interesting, like Mapquest for the Realms :)

- Darkwynters (talk) 02:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

For some reason, I can't get a pop-up window to close, hence the log showing me making a bunch of pins. I guess it's still kind of buggy.

If it can be embedded into a regular article, then it could be useful. Say, on the Vast, I show a large-scale map of the Vast, then pin all the locations (cities, towns, villages, rivers, etc.), a reader could just click on the map and go to an article, no need to type anything in. Same with a map of a city, showing locations of taverns, inns, a castle, etc. What's more, you can pin new locations that may be shown on one map but not another. That would be a very interesting way of presenting a set of links, rather than a simple list as I've been doing. But if it can't easily be embedded (I can't see how right now), then directing a reader to another page is too diverting.

That's basically what we already have at World Tree cosmology (which I think you had a hand in, Moviesign?). Though the pinnable map doesn't need to be manually coded.

— BadCatMan (talk) 11:18, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I believe you embed the maps like so: <imap map-id=1318 />

but I don't know if there is any control on the size or position. Marking the locations of stuff is essentially recreating the key to a map, which is one step (a big step?) closer to copyright violation, IMHO. I purposefully cut off the key to the map of Eshpurta for example, since reproducing it whole would give folks one less reason to want to buy the sourcebook. Using the Maps feature of the wiki would be considered a derivative work, I think, but is it fair use? Any thoughts on this?

Edit: Oh, this is scary. Other people can embed our maps on their sites. I have a bad feeling about this.

Moviesign (talk) 13:30, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so. WotC already put out large, high-quality free complete copies of that map, so clearly they mean it to be freely usable by fans. Furthermore, Wikia made the maps feature for just that purpose, and I'm sure most franchise-based wikis will do just the same and much more. The example maps are already high-quality maps from official books. A key on a map isn't going to stop someone buying a book or pirating it normally. We are no one's first or last port-of-call for pirated material, and we have some extreme policies against it, policies that actually hinder efforts to clean-up the copied material.

The Fair Use claim allows us a lot of leeway, it seems, to use any image for illustrative purposes, if used reasonably: no higher resolution than necessary, but if a high resolution is required for proper display, then it is surely acceptable. Basically, we're not giving away whole copies, we're not-for-profit, we make reasonable limitations or reductions, we work to remove copied material, we're a fan site, and we directly encourage interest in WotC products, and as fans without law degrees, that's as much as can be expected of us. And every other franchise wiki does the same or more. AFAIK, we don't have anything to worry about, and until Wikia or WotC send us a cease-and-desist, we don't have to worry. And very few franchise-owners actually crack down on this sort of thing; I haven't heard of WotC stopping any fan sites.

I think we should worry a whole lot less about it.

— BadCatMan (talk) 13:01, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

I am a bit surprised by people's responses. This is a new feature, which means the Wikia will get work to it (probably fixing to be viewed for those using that MonoBook).

At any rate, you must be too worrying about it. Such ideas may attract new users. Besides, fair use is still applied to images, including those used as maps. The only thing you should be worried about is the time and work you need to finish the map(s).

Energy X 18:12, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

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