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Some of you may have already noticed an anonymous user adding the Category:Flying creatures category to many creature pages.

I actually think that this is a great idea. Furthermore, I'd like to expand it for other movement modes.

Here is my proposal:

  • Add a movement param to the {{Creature}} infobox.
    • The valid options would be:
      • Flying (or Flight)
      • Burrowing
      • Climbing
      • Swimming
    • We'd assume that Walking is understood.
  • Auto-generate the following categories:
    • Flying creatures
    • Burrowing creatures
    • Climbing creatures
    • Swimming creatures
  • Each of those categories will have Category:Creatures by movement mode as a parent.

I think this could be a very useful tool for DMs planning campaigns.

Thoughts? Anything to tweak?

~ Lhynard (talk) 16:49, April 13, 2020 (UTC)


As the ex-anonymous user I totally agree with the proposition.

I just have one question regarding the swimming category, will it concerns : - all swimming races, including humans for exemple ? - all creatures breathing and swimming underwater, excluding humans ? If so, this catogry may be close to the one called aquatic creatures.

As I also though it would be a good idea to have a specific category for underdark creatures, I'm asking why the creatures found in cave and underdark is a unique categeory. Why not two : one for underdark and another one for cave creatures.

I knwo overlaps can exist but I think it is two different kind of environment.
Sylaruil (talk) 17:24, April 13, 2020 (UTC)


I am very happy to see that you have joined up officially. I look forward to your future contributions!

I was thinking that the movement modes only be used when a creature has the movement mode specifically listed in their Monster Manual entries. I know that this is very clear in 2e and 3e, and I think so in later editions too. (Edit: Yes, all of them have the same four available movement modes. 2e has "web" instead of "climb".)

Yes, this will overlap with most creatures in Category:Aquatic creatures, but not all. That category is for creatures that can live underwater.

I'll let others chime in in regards to the Underdark/general cavern distinction. What you say makes sense, but I am not an Underdark expert.

~ Lhynard (talk) 17:34, April 13, 2020 (UTC)


Hello and welcome Sylaruil!

The proposed movement categories seem a lot of (back-integrating) work, but also interesting. So slight support from my side, but I have not strong opinion about it.

Creatures found in underground locations and creatures found in dungeons and ruins are two somewhat distinct terrain types which have been used in some form in monster books forever. The former category already says in its heading that it is closely related to creatures found in the Underdark. A new Category:Underdark creatures would have a very large overlap. It also would rather belong into a Category:Creatures by homeland or so, which we have steered away from in the past. If we would consider that, it would in my opinion be an additional larger discussion.

Daranios (talk) 07:38, April 14, 2020 (UTC)


Welcome Sylaruil!

I agree with Daranios that Underdark is not a terrain type. I don't think we need an "Underdark creatures" category any more than we need a "Cormyrean creatures" category. The boundary between between caves and the Underdark is no more distinct than between Cormyr and the Dalelands.

Moviesign (talk) 12:52, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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