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Hey guys, I had a little idea for the location pages. At the moment, most towns or cities have a cropped map in them, but it doesn't show you where the area is in context to.

I propose two solutions.

1. We add a second image highlighting the area shown in the first map, as seen in my sandbox.

2. I create a template similar to the one i made here allowing us to use a pin to mark the area on the map. This would save making hundreds of new images, as we would add the pin over the same image each time.

Let me know what you think.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 15:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Great idea Thomas, I think it will help people a lot to have a reference like that. I know places like the lord of the rings wiki do something similar and it certainly helps you get an idea of where a place is compared to everywhere else.
--Eli the Tanner (talk) 16:09, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

That's a very good-looking idea. Often you get a little-known place that you've really got to hunt for on the map. Normally we've done this with textual descriptions, such as Procampur in the Vast in north Faerûn, but a map is much quicker and prettier.

Using a second image for every location would be a lot of effort, and effectively double our maps, and we have a lot of different editions of maps. The pushpin idea might be trickier, but it would be more adaptable overall. Perhaps you could use a box to highlight an area, and a dot to mark a specific location on a map?

BadCatMan (talk) 01:43, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've just finished the Pushpin template. We can now add pins over images. I've also created a simpler version of the template for use in infoboxes - Template:Infobox pushpin.

The Location infobox also now has an extra pinned map parameter to add pinned maps into.

Each template page is clearly described and explained. So far I've only added a pinned map to Candlekeep.

Please have a look and give me feedback. All i think it needs now is a unique mabsic map like File:West faerun 250.gif to put pins over.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 14:55, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

I've drawna new simplified map of Faerûn. This image here. Its based on the colours and style used by Wikipedia. Can I get some feedback form others users, If i get the green light i'll start adding pin maps to several pages.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 23:09, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... Thom, I like your idea... but... 1) Two images take up a lot of room in the infobox... and 2) Is there an easier way to find the pin coordinates?
Darkwynters (talk) 23:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

That looks totally awesome. My only suggestion would be to increase the contrast by making the blue a bit darker. I have trouble seeing islands and such when the image is reduced to the size of an info box.
Moviesign (talk) 23:29, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Moviesign - I've darkened the sea and also added a slight shadow-like edge to the land. his makes it pop. Darkwynters - 1) I see what you're saying, either do both or it might be simpler to just have the pinned maps replace the cropped maps. 2) It has to be this way. You position the pin by the number of pixels, this means it works with the image size. Its a bit fiddly, but just using preview to tweak it till its in the right place.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 00:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nice work. But some queries:

Nice work on the new map. However, without mountains and forests, it may be difficult to find locations precisely. In addition, some locations don't appear on the 4E map, or are majorly altered, or new to the 4E map, so it's not so appropriate to some pages. Can we use the pushpin with other maps? For example, the 3E poster map, or something as small scale as Image:CoRB Map of the Vast.jpg? It could also be useful on city maps to locate specific buildings.

Can the pushpin be used on images appearing in thumbnails, or is it just for sidebar images?

BadCatMan (talk) 12:33, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox pushpin

Hey Badcatman, yeah you can use the template on any image. The complete template (here) can do more. The simplified version (here) is still felxible but comparatively limited.

It can be used outside of infoboxes and even on thumbnail images with captions. The difference is (when outside an infobox) the pixels from left parameter counts from the left of the page not the left of the image.

I've tried to explain how to use each one in depth. Each pin is also a hyperlink to the page. Using the advanced template, you can add captions and multiple pins and colours. Have a play around in a sandbox.

Basically, you can do lots with the template, but the more you do, the fiddlier it gets.

As for maps I might try and draw a few more clean maps for smaller areas. This will help get a map consistency across the wiki.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 15:03, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to break the news, but the pushpin template should not be used unless position:relative is in effect. Some people do not use the default wiki layout and the pushpin shows up way out of alignment in the other layout that I am aware of. Put
at the end of your URL for this page to see the problem.
Moviesign (talk) 16:14, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, yeah it is completely off the mark... good find, Movie!
Darkwynters (talk) 18:24, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Moviesign well spoted. This only means it cannot work outside of an infobox. Inside the infobox its still works. See here -
I'll try and fix the other issue. But for now it will work fine in infoboxes.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 23:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thom, I hate to be a boob... but when I checked the link above... the red pin is in the Sea of Swords... but on the Candlekeep page, the pin is on the location... hmmm... does anyone else see this?
Darkwynters (talk) 23:31, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Darkwynters you may be right. In the noraml page, there is no space between the image and the infobox side either. Okay. I'll play around with this for a bit.
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 23:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just as it is, both the red pin on the map of vast above and those on Thomaslove92's sandbox are not visible at least to me when browsing using Opera through my smartphone (Galaxy S with Android). It probably has to do with the different display layouts of the wiki. So it's as MovieSign spotted first not working properly.
--Jandor (talk 21:49, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
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