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Yikes! I'm fairly new to editing wikis, and I'm already concerned I messed up this post. I'm slowly reading every Forgotten Realms novel for completeness sake, and at about a week ago, I got the "brilliant" idea to take notes concerning every character, place, and item of interest. I'm still sorting through how brutally detailed I want to be, but I wanted to find a means of categorizing and making all the information searchable, and while trying to figure out a way to do that, I ran across this wiki. I've noticed that many, if not most novels are currently stubs, so I'm having a little trouble deciding how to proceed without a strong set of templates.

I wanted to make sure that the changes I would start implementing below are not deal breakers, and wouldn't run against established procedures.

I was thinking of making an entry for every character that appeared in a novel, and linking to it from the novel's page. I've noticed that a few books already have notable characters listed, which covers most of the major and minor characters. I was wondering if it would make sense to break this into three categories, major, minor, and sub-minor characters. Since I just read it, I'm going to give examples from Exile, book two of the dark elf trilogy. Major characters is fairly self defining: Drizzt and his companions. This, in turn, would lead to a short article concerning what is revealed about the race known as pech in this novel, and this article does not yet exist. Minor characters, I was thinking, would be characters who do not get nearly as much text space as the major characters, yet still have a substantial impact upon the plot, such as Matron Malice and perhaps Matron Baenre. Sub-minor characters would be those who were mentioned in passing, serve minor rolls, or named barkeeps. Examples would include Rizzen, former patron of house Do'Urden, and Seldig, a young svirfneblin who lives in Blingdenstone. I am concerned that sub-minor character pages could run afoul of the proposed rule concerning limited pages to subjects which can have three sentences written about them. At the very least, these sub-minor characters would have pages detailing the novel in which they appeared, their name, location the character lives (if available), ooccupation (again, if available), and so forth.

In addition, I figured I'd end up making a list of every important magic (and nonmagic) item/concept mentioned and given a name. The piwafwi, or instance, would qualify, as would the Ring of Winter and shadow magic. Finally, I was thinking of trying to include all named places: The Dreaming Dragon, an inn in the city of Iriaebor, would get an entry.

I'm sorry for the fairly long and somewhat random order of my first post. I'm still not positive that the level of detail I have envisioned falls within canon according to this website, and I'd like some feedback concerning that. I am really only interested in categorizing all of the information found within the novels at this point, and not any source books. At least I'll be crunch light, and fluff heavy. The best thing to do, probably, would be to make a few page edits after I'm ready to overhaul a novel's page, and get feedback from there. I just want to know if I'm even on the right track and what I'm thinking of doing will improve this wiki in the opinion of everyone else.

Nmathew 23:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The only things I'd suggest you keep in mind are to not write new articles in terms of the books specifically. While we usually include a small history for each character, which often includes major actions they take in novels, it's the style here to write somewhat encyclopedically (lol not a word I know).

There are infobox templates for people, locations etc that you can copy and fill in with appropropriate info such as occupation or location. We alreay have a category for inns so adding additional ones would be great! Always be sure to search and make sure an article you plan on creating hasn't already been started, but feel free to add to any that have been. I hope these links help you, and I welcome you to create as many new articles as you can. Magic items, inns, minor and sub-minor characters, all are welcome at this wiki. Cheers!

Johnnyriot999 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I figured that I would be able to just link to currently existing articles where they existed, and make any additions as needed. For instance, pretty much everything that needs to be said about the character Rizzen has been said. I am concerned about making major formatting edits. For instance, sub-minor is just a phrase I randomly made up, and none of the current novel pages are broken up in such a manner as I suggested. Peripheral, tangential, or extras might be better words to use. Furthermore, if I start listing every named character who appears in the books, the "humans" page is going to quickly fill with people of little to no importance in the Realms... I'll probably pick a book I've already read which I know stands alone fairly well as an initial attempt, and just see what people think of the outcome.
Nmathew 01:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think one section for characters is fine, but the novels aren't really my expertise so it doesn't make much difference to me. I'd suggest first proposing your idea on the talk page for the novel you have in mind or here if you intend for it to span and influence a signifigant part of the wiki. Either way someone's bound to respond. If there's no debate over it after around 2 weeks pretty much go ahead, but we generally wait around that long for any disagreements or what have you. If there's unanymous agreement beforehand (very rare lol) feel free to get started. I've spent alot of my time here formatting and categorizing so I totally appreciate the effort involved.
Johnnyriot999 03:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
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