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{{Forum post|I have updated the table to reflect the suggestions by Sajuukkhar. Anyone else have input? I will give it a few days to a week (depending on how lively the discussion is) so folks have a chance to express their opinions. What else should go in Far East Faerûn?|—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 19:55, January 23, 2016 (UTC)}} |
{{Forum post|I have updated the table to reflect the suggestions by Sajuukkhar. Anyone else have input? I will give it a few days to a week (depending on how lively the discussion is) so folks have a chance to express their opinions. What else should go in Far East Faerûn?|—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 19:55, January 23, 2016 (UTC)}} |
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+ | I disagree about [[Ulgarth]]... page 17 of the ''[[Player's Guide to Faerûn]]'' states it is under the [[Golden Water]] region, which could fit under Far East Faerûn... there is a nice map on page 7 of this 3.5 edition sourcebook... Page 79 on ''[[Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition]]'' has the Golden Water as being in [[southeast Faerûn]]... Do we need ''Far East", if we have an [[Utter East]] already? |
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Personally I would like to treat the Hordelands as a separate continent as far as categorizing goes (Faerun, Zakhara, Hordelands, Kara-Tur, etc), but I realize some overlap is involved in the "borders" between Faerun and the Hordelands.
Another suggestion would be to cease East and Northeast Faerun categorization along a solid boundary like the Jumpa River.
Thoughts?
The Hordelands seems physically large enough to be its own category, especially considering how different the cultures present in the Hordelands are from the rest of Faerun. Tricky subject!
But what to call it? The campaign setting book calls it all the Endless Waste, which seems fine to me, though the FRCS 3e changes it to Hordelands, of which the Endless Wastes are only a part. I imagine "Hordelands" are merely those areas dominated by the Tuigan, but it will have to be it.
That whole area is all rather hazy, with portions heavily in Faerûn and others in Kara-Tur (as one would expect). So it would be fair to categorise places in both, with Semphar in East Faerûn and in the Hordelands. Or West Hordelands maybe? Would it even need compass-point division?
- the Endless Wastes- northwest Hordelands near Rashemen and Thay
- the Great Amber Steppes- central Hordelands between the Lake of Mists and Ejen Horo
- Yaimmunahar - central Hordelands between the Lake of Mists and Quoya Desert
- the Plain of Horses- northeast Hordelands near Ama Basin
These are all mostly large grassland areas that are part of the greater "Hordelands", so perhaps just calling the entire region the Hordelands is the way to go.
Given how hazy the borders are for the Hordelands all ready, I would think that adding compass-point categories within the Hordelands would be even more confusing.
I would have to agree that it should be its own area. If you look at the map provided in the Hordelands box set, and all the places the "encyclopedia of the wastes" in the Hordelands books, its a massive area. http://i.imgur.com/0Lt3EIk.jpg
Its not just northeast Faerun, its east Faerun, and southeast Faerun as well. It borders it all. And then the booklet even says the Ni-Ko Oasis is generally considered the divide between Faerun and Kara-Tur, and tons of places like Ra-Khati and Khazari on very clearly on the Kar-Tur side of the divide.
You might as well slap "northwest Kara-Tur" on everything also given how much it borders the dragonwall.
while its true Darkwynters that it says that, the Kara-Tur campaign book lists the plain of horses, which is part of the hordelands, as being part of Kara-Tur. Similarly, its said in the Horde campaign book that the Ni-Ko oasis is whats considered the divide between faerun and Kara-Tur.
If we want to get really technical, everyfrom in the Hordelands from the Ni-Ko Oasis eastward should have their Faerun tags removed, and instead get Kara-Tur tags based on both what The Horde and Kara-Tur campaigns list as being the divide. Basically, this would be the dividing point http://i.imgur.com/mw86utq.jpg
Places like Ra-Khati, and Khazari, are not part of faerun, location wise, or culturally.
X = proposed removal
✓ = proposed addition
Country or Region |
Categories to which it belongs | |||||
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Northeast Faerûn |
East Faerûn |
Southeast Faerûn |
Far East Faerûn |
Hordelands | Kara-Tur | |
Narfell | ✓ | |||||
Rashemen | ✓ | |||||
Thesk | ✓ | |||||
Endless Waste | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Yal Tengri | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | ||
Ama Basin | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Horse Plains | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Quoya Desert | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Khazari | X | ✓ | ✓ | |||
Ra-Khati | X | ✓ | ✓ | |||
Thay | ✓ | |||||
Mulhorand | ✓ | |||||
Murghôm | ✓ | |||||
Semphar | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Gbor Nor | ✓ | ✓ | ||||
Durpar | ✓ | |||||
Raurin | ✓ | |||||
Ulgarth | X | ✓ |
I like the Far East Faerûn idea! Follows all editions :)
@Moviesign
Parts of the western Ama Basin are considered to be in The Hordelands. and Ra-Khati and Khazari aren't really part of Faerun at all. Given the Ni-Ki Oasis continent split, both would be part of Kara-Tur. Both nations also follow the religion of the nations of Kara-Tur, which only furthers the idea.
Ulgarth would also, IMO, be part of Kara-Tur. If we look where the Faerun and LKara-Tur continents meet, its on the KLara-Tur side of the Golden Water, which just leads out to the ocean between Faerun and Zakhara
I disagree about Ulgarth... page 17 of the Player's Guide to Faerûn states it is under the Golden Water region, which could fit under Far East Faerûn... there is a nice map on page 7 of this 3.5 edition sourcebook... Page 79 on Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition has the Golden Water as being in southeast Faerûn... Do we need Far East", if we have an Utter East already?