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Would it be possible to remove the "Locations in Northeast Faerun" category from the pages dealing with the Hordelands? From looking at the map shown on Northeast Faerûn much of the Hordelands pages tagged with "Locations in Northeast Faerun" are nowhere close to NE Faerun.

Personally I would like to treat the Hordelands as a separate continent as far as categorizing goes (Faerun, Zakhara, Hordelands, Kara-Tur, etc), but I realize some overlap is involved in the "borders" between Faerun and the Hordelands.

Another suggestion would be to cease East and Northeast Faerun categorization along a solid boundary like the Jumpa River.

Thoughts?

Artemaz (talk) 00:32, January 21, 2016 (UTC)


I was only following the categories on the Hordelands page... The Horde sourcebook is Forgotten Realms... the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition page 145 places the Hordelands in Faerûn... though page 6 of the Horde does state it is a border between Faerûn and Kara-Tur... I would think it should be its own land as you state above or be part of both. Hmmm, after reading the 3e material... it feels like it should be at least set in Faerûn... hmmm
- Darkwynters (talk) 01:57, January 21, 2016 (UTC)


I've labeled most of the Hordelands pages that I've created as Northeast Faerun as well, so I'm not pointing fingers or anything. ;)

The Hordelands seems physically large enough to be its own category, especially considering how different the cultures present in the Hordelands are from the rest of Faerun. Tricky subject!

Artemaz (talk) 03:31, January 21, 2016 (UTC)


It would help if we had a nice map of the region to make it clear what part of Toril is called the Hordelands. I'll see if I can find one. I don't have a problem with giving it the same status as Kara-Tur, Zakhara, or Maztica, if everyone agrees that the region is distinct enough.
Moviesign (talk) 13:57, January 21, 2016 (UTC)


I personally consider the Hordelands to be an integral part of Faerûn, they're just overlooked far too often. The Hordelands history is tied up closely with ancient Imaskar and Raumathar, which pretty much shaped the entirety of the eastern Realms. It's one of those places that get pushed to the side like the Great Glacier, Ulgarth, Murghôm & Semphar (which only became part of the Hordelands after the Tuigan Invasion). The Hordelands may be big but they're still a part of Faerûn. In the past, the general policy on the wiki has been to add MORE categories, not remove existing ones (a move I was originally against but warmed to despite the added bureaucracy) so I think removing Northeast Faerûn from Hordelands pages wouldn't be the right move.
-hashtalk 15:05, January 21, 2016 (UTC)


I don't mind seeing another continent-level categorisation for this area. Each of the campaign settings on Toril is set in a distinct continent: Forgotten Realms on Faerûn, Oriental Adventures/The Eastern Realms on Kara-Tur, Maztica on Maztica, Al-Qadim on Zakhara. Each of these is useful for users of that specific setting. Never mind the logo, The Horde is distinctly meant to be a new campaign setting on that level, saying as much on the cover and in the introduction: Horde/Barbarian Campaign Setting. It had a few sourcebooks and adventure modules. It follows that we set aside an equivalent categorisation for it. (Note that that doesn't necessarily define the area as a distinct continent.)

But what to call it? The campaign setting book calls it all the Endless Waste, which seems fine to me, though the FRCS 3e changes it to Hordelands, of which the Endless Wastes are only a part. I imagine "Hordelands" are merely those areas dominated by the Tuigan, but it will have to be it.

That whole area is all rather hazy, with portions heavily in Faerûn and others in Kara-Tur (as one would expect). So it would be fair to categorise places in both, with Semphar in East Faerûn and in the Hordelands. Or West Hordelands maybe? Would it even need compass-point division?

— BadCatMan (talk) 13:35, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


Naming the new "Hordelands" gets tricky because there are large stretches named:
  • the Endless Wastes- northwest Hordelands near Rashemen and Thay
  • the Great Amber Steppes- central Hordelands between the Lake of Mists and Ejen Horo
  • Yaimmunahar - central Hordelands between the Lake of Mists and Quoya Desert
  • the Plain of Horses- northeast Hordelands near Ama Basin

These are all mostly large grassland areas that are part of the greater "Hordelands", so perhaps just calling the entire region the Hordelands is the way to go.

Given how hazy the borders are for the Hordelands all ready, I would think that adding compass-point categories within the Hordelands would be even more confusing.

Artemaz (talk) 14:20, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


And leave Category:Locations in the Hordelands as a subcategory of Category:Locations in Northeast Faerûn? Should it be a subcat of something else too?
Moviesign (talk) 14:39, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


If the Hordelands is going to be its own region, the maybe Category:Locations in the Hordelands should not be a subcat of Category:Locations in Northeast Faerûn. Locations that border both Northeast or East Faerun (like Murghôm) could still use both of those categories. The same could apply in the east for locations that are part of both the Hordelands and Kara-Tur.
Artemaz (talk) 15:14, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


I don't think we've reached a consensus yet. BCM and I are ok with it being its own region and DW and Hash feel it should be part of Faerûn. At least that's how I read it.
Moviesign (talk) 15:28, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


I would have to agree that it should be its own area. If you look at the map provided in the Hordelands box set, and all the places the "encyclopedia of the wastes" in the Hordelands books, its a massive area. http://i.imgur.com/0Lt3EIk.jpg

Its not just northeast Faerun, its east Faerun, and southeast Faerun as well. It borders it all. And then the booklet even says the Ni-Ko Oasis is generally considered the divide between Faerun and Kara-Tur, and tons of places like Ra-Khati and Khazari on very clearly on the Kar-Tur side of the divide.

You might as well slap "northwest Kara-Tur" on everything also given how much it borders the dragonwall.

Sajuukkhar9000 (talk) 17:10, January 22, 2016 (UTC)


The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide on page 12... states the Hordelands, formally known as the Endless Wastes, is part of Faerûn... it is in a section with the Dalelands and Sembia under a section called "Lands to the East" and the next big sections is Kara-Tur and Zakhara... I do feel it is part of Faerûn, located in the northeast and eastern part of the continent.
- Darkwynters (talk) 00:02, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
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