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|Poisonous/toxic is just the flip side of edible, so it will probably have to be from the view point of those that find the plant toxic, i.e., '''poisonousto'''. |
|Poisonous/toxic is just the flip side of edible, so it will probably have to be from the view point of those that find the plant toxic, i.e., '''poisonousto'''. |
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|—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 22:45, August 14, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | {{Forum post|I was thinking that, as plants can be used as foods, drugs, poisons, building materials, etc., the template would need some way of expressing that. I was thinking elements of Item could be ported over, then looked at Item and couldn't think which. Then I noticed "usage" in Coswig's example, and it was no longer a concern. |
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+ | I'm liking the template much more now, and can see the need for an infobox on plant articles I've made, like [[bija tree]] and [[rosecork]], for consistency if nothing else. Maybe I just argue contrary positions to test out proposals (not on purpose).|[[User:BadCatMan|— BadCatMan]] ([[User talk:BadCatMan|talk]]) 00:40, August 15, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | |Please look at [[User:Moviesign/Duskwood]] and [[User:Moviesign/Bluecap]] for examples of the first drafts of a Plant and a Fungus template and give feedback. The two new templates are both pass-throughs to a Vegetation template found [[User:Moviesign/Template:Vegetation|here]]. Using the Plant template will (when enabled) place the page in [[:Category:Vegetation]] and [[:Category:Plants]]. Using the Fungus template will place the page in the [[:Category:Vegetation]] and [[:Category:Fungi]]. |
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+ | Do you like the names of the parameters? Do you like how they are presented? For example, "location" is presented as "Grows" so you can add your own "on" or "in", but it could just as well be presented as "Grows on/in" or we could just stick with "Location", but I like "Grows" so I wrote it that way :) The colors can also be tweaked if you find them aesthetically displeasing. Are there any parameters that are missing? I disallowed the parameters in Plant that I thought only applied to Fungi, and vice versa, so speak up if you disagree. Hopefully we do ''not'' need edition-specific parameters (please). |
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+ | What should the standardized sections be for an article about a plant or fungus? |
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+ | |—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 02:37, August 15, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | |Movie, as always... excellent work... both templates look great... I do not have time to try them out, but they appear exceptionally crafted :) |
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+ | | - [[User:Darkwynters|Darkwynters]] ([[User talk:Darkwynters|talk]]) 16:15, August 15, 2015 (UTC) }} |
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+ | | Plant template: Looks grand, except "Lifespan" and "First Appearance" should be in lowercase to parallel the other parameter names (applies to Fungus as well). Also, some plants have neither leaves nor stems (moss, for example), so we probably need an overall color parameter, like in Fungus. |
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+ | Fungus template: Fungus don't technically have trunks since they aren't wood... that would be covered by stem color, so "trunk color" isn't needed. I would put "stem color" and "cap color" together, however, so they aren't separated by overall color (needed for non-mushrooms, etc). |
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+ | I'm not sure I like needing to add the in/on to the "Grows" parameter (especially when it doesn't get added, as in the bluecap example). Maybe just "Location" instead? |
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+ | Some ideas for standardized sections (order is fluid): |
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+ | ==Description== |
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+ | ==Ecology== |
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+ | ==Usage== |
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+ | ==Location== |
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+ | ==History== |
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+ | ==Appendix== |
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+ | </pre> |
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+ | (Appendix as per normal, of course.) |
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+ | |--[[User:Coswig|Coswig]] ([[User talk:Coswig|talk]]) 03:19, August 16, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | {{Forum post|Looks good to me. |
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+ | What about lichens? :p |
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+ | |[[User:BadCatMan|— BadCatMan]] ([[User talk:BadCatMan|talk]]) 03:25, August 16, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | |Ok, I made a few changes suggested by Coswig. It now says "Grows in/on" so you don't have to add your own preposition. However, it's not much trouble to add a '''useon''' parameter so it says "Grows in" by default and "Grows on" when set. The order of presentation was altered a bit to put '''capcolor''' and '''stemcolor''' next to each other and below the general '''color'''. I removed '''trunkdiameter''' from the Fungus template (I must have been thinking of GIANT mushrooms). |
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+ | Lichens are part fungus, so use the Fungus template :p |
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+ | |—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 03:53, August 16, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | |The new {{tl|Plant}} and {{tl|Fungus}} templates are now available for general use. Please look over the documentation and the examples ([[User:Moviesign/Duskwood]] and [[User:Moviesign/Bluecap]]) for any typos or weirdness. Feel free to improve on the documentation. If after using them on your pages, you feel something is missing or wrong, please post here. |
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+ | |—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 02:42, August 18, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | {{Forum post|Looks good!|[[User:BadCatMan|— BadCatMan]] ([[User talk:BadCatMan|talk]]) 07:32, August 18, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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+ | {{Forum post|I haven't used them yet because I've been busy with novels, but they look great. Thanks!|—[[User:Coswig|Coswig]] ([[User talk:Coswig|talk]]) 03:44, August 23, 2015 (UTC)}} |
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Use the following template for a nicely presented post:
{{Forum post|Write your message here!|~~~~}}
{{Plant | image = | caption = | name = | othernames = | nicknames = | type = | location = | origin = | value = | usage = | lifespan = | height = | trunkdiameter = | stemcolor = | leaftype = | leafcolor = | flowercolor = | distinctions = | first = }}
(And maybe something about whether its edible or not, but I don't know how to phrase that, or specify to whom.) See a few articles that could benefit: Blueleaf, Bluecap, Duskwood (tree). Thoughts?
P.S. Note that some "plants" are considered creatures (Hangman tree), but I don't feel like that fits for most of them.
As for categories, are we agreed on:
or does this need more discussion? I'm thinking of making a main {{Vegetation}} template and having {{Plant}} and {{Fungus}} templates as pass-throughs to the main one. Depending on which sub-template you use, the page will be put in Category:Vegetation and either Category:Plants or Category:Fungi. Thoughts?
Some types:
- Category:Plants
- Cactus, Flower, Grass, Herb, Moss, Shrub, Tree, Vine (a few others possible)
- Category:Fungi
- Mold, Mushroom, Fungus (a few others also possible)
We have a Category:Weeds, but I'm not sure how I feel about "weed" as a type, since being a weed is subjective; anything can be a weed.
Parameters like trunkdiameter, stemcolor, leaftype, leafcolor, flowercolor, etc., are all basic bits of description that I think would be better suited to the main body of the article, in a Description section. What's left is basically the Creature template.
Can we not just use Creature for non-monstrous plants? I'm generally in favour of having less but more flexible and adaptable infobox templates.
The basic bits of description are analogous to eyecolor, haircolor, etc. Do you want to remove those from the Creature template and move that info to the Description? It seems to me we've already committed to having "basic bits" in the infobox.
In answer to your question, yes I suppose we could use the Creature template for non-monstrous plants (thought I would still make a pass-through just to make it easier for editors and for category generation), but the type parameter has specific meaning in game terms for creatures and not so for plants. The proposed consumedby parameter would take on a new meaning for a Creature.
There is a trade-off between making a template more flexible and being more complex, but whatever the group decides, I can make it happen.
BadCat, feel free to mention your thoughts... they might be very helpful :)
I like the Plant Template idea but would add a parameter for whether or not they are poisonious/toxic.
Do you like the names of the parameters? Do you like how they are presented? For example, "location" is presented as "Grows" so you can add your own "on" or "in", but it could just as well be presented as "Grows on/in" or we could just stick with "Location", but I like "Grows" so I wrote it that way :) The colors can also be tweaked if you find them aesthetically displeasing. Are there any parameters that are missing? I disallowed the parameters in Plant that I thought only applied to Fungi, and vice versa, so speak up if you disagree. Hopefully we do not need edition-specific parameters (please).
What should the standardized sections be for an article about a plant or fungus?
Fungus template: Fungus don't technically have trunks since they aren't wood... that would be covered by stem color, so "trunk color" isn't needed. I would put "stem color" and "cap color" together, however, so they aren't separated by overall color (needed for non-mushrooms, etc).
I'm not sure I like needing to add the in/on to the "Grows" parameter (especially when it doesn't get added, as in the bluecap example). Maybe just "Location" instead?
Some ideas for standardized sections (order is fluid):
==Description== ==Ecology== ==Usage== ==Location== ==History== ==Appendix==
(Appendix as per normal, of course.)
What about lichens? :p
Lichens are part fungus, so use the Fungus template :p