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+ | |Meanwhile, back on the original focus of this forum thread, the new Deity template is about ready for testing. You can see it in action [[User:Moviesign/Sandbox3.1|here]], both with tabs and without. Note how the text re-flows when the infobox changes length (it should no longer change width). Unfortunately, I think Internet Explorer 8 does not handle this well, I viewed it with that browser and it looked broken to me, but it looks fine in IE 11. If you view it with the mobile skin (append <code>?useskin=wikiamobile</code> to the end of the URL) then it still looks terrible, but the section headings are there to separate the edition-specific info. Viewing in Monobook (<code>?useskin=monobook</code>) seems fine, but I defer to BadCatMan who has more experience with Monobook. Please try it out and let me know of any problems or suggestions. The data in those infoboxes is dummy data not guaranteed to be correct. |
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+ | Just for fun, you can see how the infobox appears for 6 randomly selected deities by clicking [[User:Moviesign/Deity test|here]]. Click the "Re-roll" link to generate a new set of 6. Just ignore the references, and you will probably have to scroll down to see them all because putting multiple infoboxes on a page is just weird. |
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+ | |—[[User:Moviesign|Moviesign]] ([[User talk:Moviesign|talk]]) 14:55, October 17, 2014 (UTC)}} |
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- I think it was mentioned somewhere that the tabber thing doesn't work on mobile devices. I have no idea what this looks like viewed on a phone.
- The infobox changes size dynamically when tabs contain different amounts of content. This may cause the text of an article to re-flow around the box (at least I hope it does, rather then overlap) which could lead to some ugly situations on any given page.
- Putting an infobox inside an infobox makes the text very small. The CSS will probably have to be adjusted so the text isn't so tiny. Oh, and to remove the extra border.
- We may have to make the infobox wider to accommodate the extra padding (which results in lost width) that the tabber puts in.
- It makes a messy template even messier, but damn if that isn't cool.
What do you think, sirs?
Right, now it looks fine in the Oasis skin: the infobox width remains fixed; the length changes, but the text readjusts. In Monobook, however, the width changes and the Basic Information box spills out of the tabber box.
It doesn't work at all in Mobile: no tabs, every edition is shown, 5e, 4e, 3e, 2e, 1e, all at once with a lot of different rows. They're not even labelled by edition.
Does it really need the extra infobox inside? Are the raw tables of before a problem?
I'd rather the infobox wasn't made wider, as the article space is already quite narrow in the Oasis skin, and that would affect the layout of some pages.
Okay, we need to make a decision before I put the effort into adding tabs to our infoboxes. Assuming that it will not work on mobile devices or in monobook for the foreseeable future, should we make this change? I can mitigate the problem for mobile devices by adding a section header for each edition so that the content will at least be divided up for them and look pretty much like the infoboxes look now. Everybody will see the dividers regardless of their viewing platform, unless the CSS has a way to make the distinction between mobile and non-mobile.
I wish Wikia was still maintaining Monobook. It's vastly cleaner, faster, and easier to use than Oasis, and it's my default. But Oasis is the default for everybody who comes to the wiki, and I imagine most members use it now anyway. For that reason, I'd say go ahead. We should use our best features to greet the most users, and that's Oasis.
Infoboxes in Monobook have been bent for a long time: alignment grids are stretched and tables are all spaced out. It's probably a problem specific to Monobook, and I've gotten used to it being funky. Monobook is the probably the domain of stubborn old editors like me, and will probably be removed one day. The Mobile skin, meanwhile, always looks like crap; putting edition headings is sufficient to solve that problem.
We probably should default to the latest edition tab, where there is information present for it.
I'm not planning to add any more color palettes and I think the ones I've worked out at the moment are pretty contrasty (I've actually increased the contrast between the text and the background color to some degree). But if it's still too hard to read I'll look into altering them further.
Other than stylistic stuff, I'm also planning to differentiate the planar creature templates a little bit more in the future, adding a few inputs that are relevant only to creatures from a certain kind of plane or possibly removing some which aren't relevant. I haven't gotten around to that yet though, as my main priority ATM has been adding new material from the 5th edition Player's Handbook.
The conflict is at its most obvious when using the alignment grid, which when placed inside an infobox doesn't follow either guideline by default but instead it's own internal direct to float left or right. I tried disabling the float directive so that it would instead go where the rest of the text does but it doesn't work that way - without a float directive it floats naturally to the left, which makes it out of place in right-aligned templates.
Basically, what it comes down to is do we want infobox cells to be aligned toward the right or the left?
- It requires less coding. Unless told otherwise, infobox cells default to left alignment because that's the way that text normally aligns on English-language websites. As a result, right alignment is something that must be explicitly coded, whereas left alignment is inferred.
- I think it looks neater. With right alignment, there's a large amount of white space in the middle and there's also a tendency for long lines of text like lists to look a bit weird, because the text moves away from the right rather than from the left as is typical in English.
- Nearly all other wikis use left-alignment (including several of our sister wikis like the Baldur's Gate Wiki or the Eberron Wiki). As a general rule I look to other wikis as a model for aesthetics and styling.
I kinda like that our wiki is different from other wikis, and I believe we can create our own style (note the relatively recent addition of the map background image, the {{On this day}}, {{Featured image}}, and {{DidYouKnow}} features on the front page, for example), but we don't need to be quirky just for quirkiness's sake. I will fix whatever templates need fixing once we come to a decision, but I'd like to hear from more people first. I'm sure BadCat will chime in when he's awake, but Hash? User:Daranios? User:Terrorblades? User:LadySilverhair? anyone?...Bueller?...Bueller?...
The creature template looks like it fit the creatures info without making it to big and the spell template looks to me to fit nicely with the less words making it more direct.
Other then that yes having out own style is very important, its the different features that makes other wiki's get an eye for you... Just like when we talk about new features we usually mention other wikis and show there pages as examples of what we think would be cool/informative. My two coppers. :)
?useskin=wikiamobile
to the end of the URL) then it still looks terrible, but the section headings are there to separate the edition-specific info. Viewing in Monobook (?useskin=monobook
) seems fine, but I defer to BadCatMan who has more experience with Monobook. Please try it out and let me know of any problems or suggestions. The data in those infoboxes is dummy data not guaranteed to be correct.
Just for fun, you can see how the infobox appears for 6 randomly selected deities by clicking here. Click the "Re-roll" link to generate a new set of 6. Just ignore the references, and you will probably have to scroll down to see them all because putting multiple infoboxes on a page is just weird.