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The "Notable Locations" section of city articles could use a little standardization when it comes to big cities like Waterdeep. I propose the following subheadings (parenthetical notes are explanatory and not part of the heading). They are ordered alphabetically, but the presentation order is up for discussion as well.
  • Civic Buildings (includes military/police, banking, government)
  • Entertainment (festhalls, gambling halls, performing arts centers, brothels)
  • Guildhalls (clubs, orders, groups requiring membership)
  • Inns & Taverns (restaurants)
  • Landmarks (walking statues? maybe put in Misc. instead)
  • Open Areas (parks, markets, squares, caravanserai)
  • Religious Centers (temples, shrines, sacred groves)
  • Residential (houses, apartments, villas, estates)
  • Shops & Businesses (warehouses, factories, foundries)
  • Streets & Alleys
  • Miscellaneous (for whatever is left over)

Volo's Guide to Waterdeep notes landmarks in each ward, but they are usually buildings that can be put under one of the other subheadings. As usual, these would be suggestions and not requirements (I'm not planning on changing "Luthdren & Blurdren" in Khôltar because it has local flavor). Thoughts?

Moviesign (talk) 02:57, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

I like it! It's pretty much the template I've been using for Ravens Bluff just need to edit a few of the headings. I've been using some more specific headings for certain areas, like a "warehouses" heading for Seaglimpse, but they will totally fit in businesses. How about adding "Merchant Houses" as those are different enough from "Guildhalls", and "natural features" for cities that have lakes, rivers, large trees, mountains (Waterdeep), etc. within their walls.
Ruf (talk) 05:15, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

Within their environs, rather than within their walls, might be more accurate.

That all makes sense and works for me. I've been doing similar things with lesser cities, and agree that it should be flexible for any local flavor and less detailed cities.

However, I might suggest separating Inns and Taverns. Inns, hostels, hotels, lodging houses, etc. are places where people stay, which might also provide food and drink. Taverns, bars, pubs, cantinas, restaurants, etc. are places that provide food and drink, where people can sometimes stay. However, since the RW definitions and etymologies are tangled, there's a lot of overlap, and FR writers just can't tell the difference, that's probably a futile distinction that will lead to a lot of duplicate entries.
— BadCatMan (talk) 11:00, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

I think we usually lump Inns and Taverns together because there are only a handful of them in most cities. If there are enough of each, then separate subheadings would be useful. What is the difference between a Merchant House and a business? Natural Features, Landmarks, and Miscellaneous could all be used, so I think we should pick just one or two.
Moviesign (talk) 11:40, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

The reason I suggest we have a separate section for Merchant Houses is that locations associated with them are stores or business buildings, and sometimes they're more headquarters were business people meet (like a guildhall), but don't interact with customers or people they deal with BUT yea they're pretty much businesses. I think "Landmarks" is most widely-used heading and best covers a catch-all for things like public statues, lighthouses, docks, stables, or more non-building sights. I think natural features, like the River Rauvin in Silverymoon could fit under "geography" separate from notable locations.
Ruf (talk) 15:15, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

For the Residential section, what do you think about removing all those "Villa" links for which we only have a name? They could still be Notable Locations in an article about a street, or about noble houses, but I think they clutter up the Ward pages with lots of red links that many never get turned blue.
Moviesign (talk) 00:41, October 23, 2018 (UTC)

Another question: Is it "Guildhall" or "Guild Hall"? WatN uses the first one, Volo's uses the first one, the boxed set uses the second one, CoS:W uses the first one, Dragon Heist uses the first one. Answer: Guildhall.
Moviesign (talk) 02:32, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

Yet another question: Dragon Heist does not use the ampersand (&) in the names of guilds and guildhalls. Example: "Saddlers' and Harness-Makers' Hall" vs. "Saddlers' & Harness-Makers' Hall". The older sources mostly use the ampersand but VGtW has it both ways. So, go with the traditional (and thematic) ampersand, or go with the newest source? I'm leaning toward tradition on this one.
Moviesign (talk) 03:27, November 2, 2018 (UTC)
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