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Hello! So I just finished cleaningup the silver page and came across a small issue. With articles like silver (where there is a very much real counterpart in the real-world), how do we go about adding info not mentioned in FR or D&D sources that we know to be true? Me and Lhynard had a brief discussion about this after I made an uncited statement.

Here's the statement I put into the article that Lhynard spotted was uncited;

Silver possessed the highest electrical conductivity, thermal conductivity and reflectivity of any metal.

The issue also covers (to a lesser degree) using real-world photos of metals or gems on the wiki.

So here's the quesiton;

  • Do we put in this info if it does not contradict realms-lore.
    • If so, can we cite real-world sources (in this case a school textbook I had to hand).
  • Once we figure out an answer, can we get it made into a policy?
I appreciate that adding real-world info into this wiki could be a slippery slope (and the sentence has been removed) but Lhynard and I would like to open this one to discussion
-Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 00:00, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

I say we should not volunteer real-world information that is not alluded to in an FR source. Contrapositively, if properties of substances are given or assumed (like the conductivity of metals, for example), then it's okay to refer to real-world information. I question the usefulness of this, however. How often is the thermal conductivity of silver going to come up? Link to Wikipedia and leave it at that.

For example, when Ed Greenwood says that octel is the Realms name for scheelite, I feel justified in using a real-world image of a scheelite gem as an illustration, but I'm not going to volunteer the Mohs hardness of scheelite.

Moviesign (talk) 02:08, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

I also don't think we should use real-world information unless it appears in a Realms source (except where it might be essential to some matter). The Realms is a magical world, and some of the lore and answers from Ed Greenwood suggest that science just does not work the same way. The Realms has smokepowder, because gunpowder won't work. I've heard it said that electrical circuits might not work. If so, silver's electrical conductivity might be meaningless. Also, as Moviesign says about Mohs hardness, etc., it also demands too much research from an editor that they could use on Realmslore. I remember learning stellar classifications for the Star Trek wiki... :o I'm not a fan of using the real-world photos, but I can see the benefit of quickly going "oh, that's what octel looks like" for all these obscure stones and gems. I would prefer Realms images where they exist, but of course they are few (the video games show some gems, though accuracy is questionable).
— BadCatMan (talk) 13:38, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
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