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Did you - FR Wiki veterans - already mused about what we are going to do with the Wiki when the 4th edition ruleset based Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting is released? From what I've read I understand they are going to advance the timeline 100 years into the future of the Realms. And they are going to straighten the canon out, by eliminating conflicting content that sneaked in due to the fact that many more people than just Good Old Ed are now involved in creating the sourcebooks and articles. (Plus, they are simplifying the Pantheon for the different races, or so I've heard / read.)
Caelis Moonflower 18:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
To be honest I haven't heard much besides the 4th Ed annoucement, and the above 100-year advance (as a rumor), so haven't given it much thought. But if they do really advance things a 100 years then most every familiar character will be dead (except your elves and such) and most locations will probably have changed a great deal. One way could be to start a new wiki, but until they start sharing more information, I'm not going to waste my time over-thinking the matter. I applaud the effort to rectify errors, but making such a leap in time, in a setting that has advanced at a steady, slow pace, seems drastic. Time will tell I guess..
Zerak talk 20:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I decided to let the rumours be just be what they are, just roumours. And make up my mind when the revised sourcebooks actually comes out. Personally I don't think they REALLY are going to advance the timeline by that much. What's the use of killing off all the great character like Danillo Than, Erevis Cale, Dove Silverhand or - hey - even Drizzt? Okay, Elminster is already more than a millenium old, so he will be probably be around in 1475 DR...

So maybe, you are right: Let all the speculations go by, and see what the real changes are going to be when the new FR CS is released. And - on the other hand... there is more than enough FR 3.0 and 2.0 stuff out there to chronicle accurately the timeline from the Days of Thunder to Present Age and compile it here on the Wikia. Should keep us busy until... 2100 AD? ;-)

--Caelis Moonflower 20:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Either way I think we'll all just keep doing what we do; updating info when new sources come up and continuing to fill in the gaps of older source material. When Unclean came out we had to make a few changes (see: Zulkir) but Toril kept on spinning. Hell I'm still working from some 2nd edition sourcebooks and considering 4th ed is still D20 I think it will be a bit of a cakewalk.
Johnnyriot999 21:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Not too much more to be said from me. Lets just continue making the wiki great and see how things turn out.
--Gabeth 06:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It's still too early to tell what will happen with the release of 4E. As has been mentioned, the rumors are rampant right now (the 100-year advancement, for example, was started by the sample chapter of The Orc King, even though the book itself takes place in 1372 DR, placing it at the start of 3E Forgotten Realms; it has no bearing on the possible advancement of the time line). In fact, there has really been no official word from the developers pertaining to the updated setting; everything is rumor at this point.

We know a few things that will happen, but only in broad terms and in no detail. Until we do, we should just keeping updating articles with the information we have. One of the great things about a living setting is that, even if things change dramatically, what used to be current simply adds to the rich history that makes the FR appealing to so many.
Heaven's Agent 06:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Wow, The Grand History of the Realms has some big spoilers at the end (years 1375 DR to 1385 DR), if they really are planning to totally revamp the world in 100 years, they're off to a good start after 10 years already..
Zerak talk 07:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
After reading the last post on the Main page discussion, I'm a bit more apprehensive of both 4e and the future of the wiki. I definitely do not intend on splitting my time between the two sites if indeed an "official" FR wiiki is created. On the other hand, I REALLY like what we're doing here and do feel a bit of pride of ownership over the work I've done. I guess my main concern is if there is an official wiki, I dont want to see our page become obsolete. Whether offering different info or, if it comes down to it, moving the basic content of our more exceptional articles over there I just dont want all this work to seem to be for nought. Anyways, I'ts all moor until we have more information. I vaguely remember someone discussing the possibility of getting our wiki "officialized", does anyone know what became of that?
Johnnyriot999 05:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the long time replying! There is nothing "official" on this wiki becoming "official"! Fan-based wikis are springing up all over the place for loads of different things, like Wookiepedia and the Elder Scrolls Wiki (for Oblivion and previous games). A lot of these wikis have official backing, but not so many are owned by the people who created the concept that the wiki is about.

In my mind, Realms people are too slow to change. Look at Looks like it was designed in the mid-90s. Until Gleemax, Wizards has nothing more advanced than a simple forum for their fans to talk on. They still operate a mailing list! Those date back to before the fall of Netheril, I'm sure. A wiki is just too "new" and "radical" to a lot of Realms people. It's like coming out with the Earth being round all of a sudden.

I really hope 4th edition will bring about a technological revolution for the game. Just about every sensible DM carries a laptop around now, and I'm sure a great deal of players do the same. Sure, you can work out the mathematics on pen and paper, but a computer is designed to do that, and speeds up the game, keeping it interesting. In fact, that's probably where the wiki comes into play. Suppose you're DMing a game and your players are adamant they want to visit Mirabar, even though you have nothing prepared. A quick look at the Mirabar entry on the wiki will give you everything you need to know, without slowing the game down too much.

If there is an official wiki, I think I will wait to see how the policies there work out. My primary concern is creating a verifiable encyclopedia of Realms information, and if there are suddenly two, no doubt the official one will win the day, so I will probably jump over there. The fact that I have put hundreds of hours into nearly 10,000 edits here isn't important and I wouldn't see that time as having gone to waste - in fact, much of the information here could just be transplanted to any official wiki. Still, I don't see an official one happening. We'll see.

Fw190a8 05:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Well now the announcements are out and the Realms are in for quite the transformation. Maps remade after collisions with other planes, Deity roster massively simplified with a few new ones created, new races classes, Regions obliterated and new created, Kingdoms gone... some losing even the place on Toril where they once stood.

Hard to imagine how this wiki can handle representing the geopolitical entries, or deities for two such varied sources with only a tenuous connection between them.

Barfubaz 22:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll be honest, I'm not all that worried. It's just history. I've been interested in the history of the Realms already, so when I document stuff about Netheril or whatever it's the same "issue" (if it's really an issue) that we will have with 4E. I think that as editors we are all smart enough to figure out solutions to the specific conundrums that will crop up. I might even start with some of the more drastic geopolitical changes (like Akanûl replacing parts of Chondath+Chessentea) just to see how easy/hard it will be. If we can handle that, we can handle the rest of the 4E changes.
SkyeNiTessine 05:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Which Netheril are you referring to, the new Shadowvar one that subsumes Sembia or the old lost empire? Perhaps that might reveal a bit o' my problem.

The History I am not too worried about either, but honestly most of the wiki is set in the post Time of Troubles era, where its of most use to me, if that changes to post-wailing years this wiki is far less useful from my perspective. We may just be able to get by with dual entries for the portals like deities and geography, and maybe dual maps on regions and geopolitical areas.

Barfubaz 06:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This is turning out to be a jolly mess.
TheBinder 15:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Heh, Jolly mess maybe. I do see that they don't intend to publish much beyond the source book for perhaps quite some time. Source book is still a couple months away... so maybe we can just ignore it for a while. And I do like SkyeNiTessine's suggestion of making a pilot project of one of the new areas... Akanûl replacing parts of Chondath+Chessentea seems an excellent example... and until that works for us, keeping the rest of the wiki focused on the Realms as of the 1370s-ish. Where regional maps and currently active deities are concerned.
Barfubaz 07:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I've already gone ahead and wrote a post-spellplague article. Check out Winterhaven. Because this location was not previously detailed in 3.5E it was straightforward to write. The only difficult thing was to make it clear to the reader that "the present" was not 1375 DR. Let me know if the context made this clear and I succeeded. This is necessary in the short-term, as people's mindset is still 3.5E, but that will change, just as it did when the Time of Troubles was first unveiled and all the "old-timer" players grumbled about the deicide and the confusion it would cause.

When the new 4E FRCS is released I'll look into updating the Chessentea and Chondath articles. Note that I intend to preserve all existing info, as I will just be updating it with the current events and will never remove any content. For now there's just so little info that I thought it doesn't warrant it yet. Though I might write an article on Akanûl in the meantime, since it's brand new and hence there's less concern about making the article 1375 DR relevant. (if you're curious about Akanul you can check out the LFR page on that region, which has some info)

SkyeNiTessine 01:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, long-time lurker here about to dive on in to help with 4th ed stuff. With regard to this published policy, the whole point is that there IS no present age. All entries should be written in a historical tense, eg. instead of "Currently Deneir's whereabouts is unknown" we would write "As of 1479DR, Deneir's whereabouts remains unknown". I'm going to make a start on updating deity entries where appropriate. The portal pages and categories will all need to be restructured to break away from organising anything by edition-specific qualities - this is probably the major challenge.
Chezcaliente 06:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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