Talk:Abdel Adrian

Sources

I have a feeling this is a canon article relating to the Baldur's Gate novels, but to many who visit here, it will look like an article about the computer game. Please be careful when citing this article and, if necessary, split any non-canon statements into a non-canon section. Thanks! Fw190a8 21:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Just noting... there are no non-canon appearances for Abdel. He is only included in the novels. That is why everybody hates those books so much. --DrizztTheSlayer 02:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, let's not forget that Athans is simply an awful writer... no, this is getting off topic. But there is a PC made out to be like Adrian in the ready-made TotSC save, except that his alignment is Good.Ville V. Kokko 18:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I actually find it somewhat difficult to imagine how this would look like it pertains to the games. Maybe if one knows nothing about them. If one does know something, they'll see that Adrian should be the protagonist, and that obviously it will not be possible to say things like this about the protagonist. How would I indicate the sources (they being the novels) anyway? Ville V. Kokko 18:49, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it should be clear now, although I may also add a short discussion about his relationship to the game character at some point.Ville V. Kokko 23:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE NOTE: This character does not appear in the games

There's always someone editing or commenting to the effect that Adrian somehow appears in the games. He does not. The player character is entirely customised by the player, and still couldn't be like the protagonist of the novels, because in the games they have lived most of their lives so far in Candlekeep, but in the novel Adrian has been going around the world or whatever part of it as a mercenary before Gorion summons him back to Candlekeep so that they can escape it together. (Don't worry, the rest makes even less sense.)

The fact that some berk put a protagonist called "Abdel" in the Tales of the Sword Coast save (blasphemy!) doesn't change this, nor does it give him official statistics.

Now, last time someone edited to the effect that they knew what Adrian's alignment and class were in the third edition rules. I was so skeptical about that I just deleted it, but if you've actually got them, you can put them back with proper reference to the third-edition source you had. Ville V. Kokko 07:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Tiefling?

Would it be fair to call Abdel Adrian a tiefling rather than a human? I know the way he's presented in the games (as the player) and in the books is a human (or elf/dwarf/gnome/etc) but by the definition of tiefling presented in the FRCS (3e) the mortal progeny of evil gods are tieflings. Would he, therefore, be considered a tiefling - simply not the kind with horns and a tail and the like?

I'm interested in hearing what others have to say on this. Niirfa-sa 07:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

He's not a native outsider, so he fails the test. Besides, I think it would be a stretch, since in the book and game they classify him as a human.  SkyeNiTessine (talk · contr) 13:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand that he goes by human - but let's face it, Bhaalspawn aren't human/elven/draconic/etc - they just look that way. They're demigods. As for whether or not he's a native outsider - do we know that he isn't? I haven't read the books, BTW, I'm just looking at it objectively and to me he seems to be as much a tiefling as any spawn of the Mulhorandi gods.

I understand that the details aren't covered very well regarding Bhaalspawn. But who's to say that Abdel and the others aren't partially composed of the prime essence? Niirfa-sa 00:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Bhaalspawn aren't "demigods", because that's a level of divine power, and they're mortals unless one were to specifically ascend. And they are technically whatever race they're given, as they have its properties (under 2nd ed rules), not a tiefling's. (I'm looking at the games. The novels obviously don't say much on this.)

Now, if the sources actually said that "the progeny of evil gods are tieflings by definition", I'd say that could be mentioned under Bhaalspawn ("Bhaalspawn weren't considered tieflings, but according to 3rd edition rules, they would also be classified such"), but it doesn't quite say that in the 3rd edition FRCS; it merely implies that that is the case with some offspring (probably not first-generation, either) of some Mulhorandi deities. And if they were demigods, they certainly wouldn't be tieflings. Tieflings have so much mortal blood that they're not even half-fiends anymore. Bhaalspawn are both more ordinary than them (in that they count as their "other" race for most purposes) and less so (in that Bhaal's essence is in them and can have some quite spectacular effects eventually). Ville V. Kokko 04:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

89.103.147.95 keeps editing this page so poorly it amounts to vandalism. Can someone do something about that? Ville V. Kokko 07:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)