Which Script?Edit

Hi guys, I'm just trying to find out which dwarven script is considered the Forgotten Realms script. We all know it is called dethek, but there are two differing contenders for how it looks on paper.

Dungeons & Dragons Dwarven Script (Player's Handbook 4th edition)


Dethek Script (cannot find a source)

At the moment I'm going with the officla D&D script simply because I can't find out where the Dethek script has been sourced.

Does anyone know a FR reference book that actually shows some Dethek script?? Thanks

(once we have decided I will hand draw and scan a nice image for our wiki)
Thomaslove92 21:42, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Dethek runes appear in Dwarves Deep and again in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition though this doesn't show the full alphabet. That unsourced image is based on them. -- BadCatMan 23:33, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Ah thanks dude, just checked it out...simple. That's that cleared up :)
Thomaslove92 23:44, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Runestone translationEdit

I hope this is still a work in progress, because that huge caption contains some special characters and also completely breaks the info box in the default skin, hehe.
Moviesign (talk) 13:03, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Does it? Fff— I hate the default skin. Okay, I'll keep playing with it. Thanks for checking up on me. :)
— BadCatMan (talk) 13:16, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

I hacked it a bit, but how is it for you now?
— BadCatMan (talk) 13:20, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

The box looks good now, but there are still 3 non-printable characters (on my computer at least). They are just before the word "This", between the word "Dhurri" and the apostrophy, and after the word "Helmung" inside the quote.
Moviesign (talk) 13:46, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

That's odd, those are just quotations and an apostrophe. They appear fine to me.
— BadCatMan (talk) 13:55, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

I don't actually see a difference, but I hope it works for you now.
— BadCatMan (talk) 03:19, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Secret imagesEdit

I'd like a splash of colour and more imagery here. Does anyone know of another good Realms image that displays Dethek runes in use? There's the Oathhammer, but the runes are very small and unclear.
— BadCatMan (talk) 02:21, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't find a good image, but I found a "secret" one :) I'm sure I'm not the first to discover this, but I noticed that there are Dethek runes in the watermark or background graphic of the pages of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting 3rd edition! The runes on the even numbered pages translate to "zhentil keep is also one of" and the odd numbered pages translate to "bases of operation of the zhentarim or black network". Look at pages 28 and 75 for mostly unobscured examples of this watermark (your mileage may vary). It is located about an inch above the page number near the bottom. Maybe one of you with better eyes can verify this and see if I missed any capitals. Note that it uses the original runes for "n" and "o" as described in the Notes section of this article. If these images can be captured and enhanced, I think they would make a fine addition to this page and perhaps bring this Easter egg to the attention of readers who click on the Featured Article. :)
Moviesign (talk) 03:16, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Holy crap! Well spotted! I knew there was writing in Thorass, Dethek, and Espruar in the emblem on the front cover, but didn't pay much attention to the background. That text should appears on all the pages of 3e FR books that use that background.

There's another set of writing running diagonally across the odd-numbered pages.

— BadCatMan (talk) 03:43, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Aukk... I'm going blind... wow, you are correct, Movie!
Darkwynters (talk) 03:44, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

My best guess at the diagonal text is "forgotten realms summoning magic" based on staring at pages 239, 309, and 71. Anyone able to verify? Can someone scan these pages (or better ones, if you can find them) at high resolution and use the "best" JPG compression (or no compression if possible)? I volunteer to try and patch them together into an image we can use on this wiki page. This is actually quite exciting.
Moviesign (talk) 04:20, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

I believe it's "forgotten realms magic summoning magic". The word "magic" is repeated.

Oi, that would be enormously complicated, and stitching the scans together won't look pretty. You could look around the net and see if anyone's already extracted the background page image. The sepia page could look pretty cool as a wiki background image.

Ah, look at the web enhancements that use these pages. They tend not to cover the whole page in text, and are likely digital copies of the originals. Look at the last page of the City of Splendors: Waterdeep Web Enhancement "Environs of Waterdeep", that gives a nice clear image.

— BadCatMan (talk) 04:43, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Nicely done BCM. It was getting late and my enthusiasm for the project was fading with the need for sleep.
Moviesign (talk) 12:38, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

N & OEdit

It should be noted that when the Dethek alphabet was reprinted in each campaign setting, they used the images from the last campaign setting, so N and O never changed. It's only Dwarves Deep that's different. But since Thomaslove92 based the images of Dwarves Deep, they are the letters shown in the images. — BadCatMan (talk) 07:31, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dwarven Script in DND5E Edit

I think it is worth noting that in the DND 5E PHB they have a sample Dwarven Script on page 122. They do not refer to it as Dethek, nor does it use Dethek Symbols.

LeeKolb (talk) 06:18, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Well I think we should stick with the old once for now, the new once don't really match the old once and I'm guessing we get an updated version with the Forgotten realms 5e Campaign guide. For all whom dont have the PHB5e here it is (All are alphabet letters except after the second row upside down "u" (z), after this point I have no idea what it is. Terrorblades 's Far Realm logs dated 12:54, December 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, if you're out there User:Thomaslove92, it looks like the image for 99 is either five 10's too short, or you meant that to be 59 instead of 99. Could you correct that when you get the chance please? :) —Moviesign (talk) 19:40, November 6, 2016 (UTC)

Great spot! Thanks. I've fixed it :) -Thomas Love Star_tiny.png [talk] 02:56, November 7, 2016 (UTC)
Hehe, uh, unless I counted incorrectly, you now have ten 10's in 99. —Moviesign (talk) 13:51, November 7, 2016 (UTC)
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