Talk: Divine soul

Split?[]

This article combines the 3.5 class of favored soul from "Complete Divine" with the 4th edition invoker class from the "Player's Handbook 2", which are similar in description but not in game mechanics. —Moviesign (talk) 02:38, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

An evoker in 3rd edition was called an invoker in 2nd edition - completely different from the divine spellcaster here. How could this best be noted in the article? (Probably by some link to evoker, which itself is only a redirect so far?) Daranios (talk) 18:24, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Do you think this should be two articles then? As far as I can tell, there are no FR invokers, but there is a canon favored soul dwarf living in Undermountain, according to Expedition to Undermountain. ~ Lhynard (talk) 05:05, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

I do not think this article should be split. In fact, all the differences between the 5e divine soul, the 4e invoker, and the 3e favored soul are merely rules- and gameplay-related (and, of course, the unique way 4e handles class powers in general). When the 5e divine soul was in UA playtest status, it was even called "favored soul". Specific rules aside, when it comes to lore, they seem pretty much to be the same class.

There are many similarities:

They all grow wings at some point
The 3e and 5e are spontaneous casters and can take their spells from the cleric list
Improved resistance to certain types of damage
Variant powers depending on alignment or deity

My opinion is to just merge the descriptions of the 3e, 4e, and 5e classes into one article. I have added their edition-specific stats to the infobox, so it should be easy to separate if there is a consensus for the split.

― Sirwhiteout (talk) 16:38, August 29, 2020 (UTC)

My comment above about splitting was based on Daranios' note that an invoker was an evoker in 2^nd edition. With 5e, I think that this page needs to be renamed "divine soul". Invoker should be a disambiguation page to here and to Evoker. Does that make sense? ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:25, August 29, 2020 (UTC)

If 4e invokers do not appear in the Realms, there seems little point in accommodating them in this article. Ir'revrykal (talk) 20:27, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree, and favor a focus on the favored soul class over the divine soul subclass, provided there aren't any known divine soul sorcerer in Faerun (which there don't seem to be). --SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Creating a New Sub-Section: References in Modern Popular Culture[]

Please, can you kindly update the new section with multiple examples and add well cited sources? 110.169.128.108 05:11, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

This is the only modern and main-stream reference I could find to Invokers: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Invoker#Bio http://www.dota2.com/hero/Invoker/ http://www.playdota.com/heroes/invoker

This is the only popular culture reference to Invoker.

All other references are highly obscure, including Forgotten Realms, Magicka, and so forth.

Right here, the hero is literally titled "Invoker" and Warcraft 3/Dota is heavily derived from Dungeons and Dragons.

110.169.128.108 05:34, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest, but I'm afraid that it's really not relevant. "Invoke" is just a word meaning "to call upon", and "invoker" is a common, magical-sounding role. A great many RPGs and video games use it for a wide range of things. There's no real connection here. It's not even within the purpose of this wiki. — BadCatMan (talk) 06:31, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I have to respectfully disagree, but I'll comply with your terms. Dota is heavily drawn from DnD sources - splits off to create it's own sub-genre. I will respect your wishes and make no further edits of this sort however. 110.169.128.108 06:54, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

I would like to apologize. I misunderstood this forum and Wikia. I'll be much more careful from now own with my edits and suggestions. I've made other edits, such as minor spelling corrections. 184.22.216.110 11:11, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, the other Wikias I am on are much more liberal. I am wasn't sure about the standards of this Wikia because it is about a fictional universe. Basically, it was a cultural difference. I apologize for the problem. I'll be much more careful from now own with my edits and suggestions. I'll cooperate and do whatever the moderation of this Wikia want me to do. 184.22.216.110 11:24, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Ah, okay, great. But it was three years ago and pretty much long forgotten. Anyway, have fun adding actual Realmslore to the wiki. :) — BadCatMan (talk) 11:38, March 2, 2019 (UTC)

Further Clarifiying[]

We need to further distinguish an Invoker from other spell casting classes.

210.86.149.78 11:17, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

What sourcebooks would you recommend? I don't know the class well enough but would love to see some more specificity. Ruf (talk) 01:18, October 2, 2018 (UTC)

A Resource[]

Has this resource been used yet?

(https://www.amazon.com.au/Forgotten-Realms-spellcasters-Alisannara-Frayhammer/dp/1234760681)

184.22.219.54 18:58, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

This appears to be a self-published collection of articles from this very site. Using it as a source would be pointless. --Ir'revrykal (talk) 19:36, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the Updates, Lads[]

I find the appropriation-split of "Divine Soul" and "Epic-Immortalist Wizard" (Standard: Epic Invoker / Dota 2's Invoker) to be interesting. I am not suggesting anything.

Peace and Long Life,

184.22.208.44 23:37, 9 October 2020 (UTC)