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Hi there, my name is Kate, I am an admin over at the Fallout wiki. Just stopping by to let you know that your creature template is exceptionally well done, and its use on the orc article inspired me to rally the troops to write a similar template on our wiki for consumables. I actually tracked it down after spotting its functionality featured on Fandom's infobox help page. Anywho, before I go on and on, I have added an attribution linking back here while also showcasing my gratitude to you and yours. Thank you again so very much! -kdarrow (user/talk)

Ah, I didn't know our stuff was used on the Help pages, but I'm happy it's helping other wikis. Templates like that are the product of development over several years. I can't take credit for Creature, it's mostly the work of User:Moviesign and User:Lhynard, our resident coders, but I'll pass on your thanks. :) BadCatMan (talk) 02:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Chapter cites[]

Greetings, I noticed you managed to wrangle the cites for Madryoch and The Shadow Stone correctly, and I thank you for that. I was wondering if you could tell me how that one works? I have cited chapter titles so far as strings, and while trying to copy your citation format for The Shadow Stone with Darkvision, it doesn't seem to work, nor be caught on the previews. I suspect there is something to be changed about the template before such works correctly? 22:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC) – User:Stabbier

There was: I needed to update the {{Cite book/The Shadow Stone}} template to display chapter information. It's a newer addition, so most of our cite templates don't have them. I added the line here. It's not an ideal solution; we encourage everyone to give the page first to be more exact and the chapter number should be in support of that. BadCatMan (talk) 06:15, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

En Dash vs. Em Dash[]

I was under the impression that the shorter en dash was the correct one to use for ranges such as 100-400 gold pieces. Artemaz (talk) 11:52, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Did I do it wrong somewhere? I would've clicked the wrong dash in the edit tools. BadCatMan (talk) 13:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes I had the smaller en dash for the 100-400 gold piece range and you changed it to the longer em dash. I'll switch it back. Artemaz (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Ah, that's not an en dash (–), that's a hyphen (-). An em dash is much longer (—). So I undid your undo. BadCatMan (talk) 15:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha. Guess I've never seen the much longer em dash used.Artemaz (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey there[]

Time to get to know everyone. I sent you a friend request on Discord as a WR and I'd like to share a Secret Project with ya! Тагазиэль 16:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How to use reference or table aside of the page[]

Good Afternoon BadCatMan, my name is Marco, I noticed you edited the page on Tethir Road, I'd like to thank you, but I have few questions: 1 - How can I add references on the text of the page? Is this allowed to Wiki Admin or Power users olny? 2 - How can I put the grid on the right in the page. I.e. Location, destination etc etc?

Is there a guide on this page? Thanks for your help Marco.

Hi! Welcome to the wiki and thanks for your additions. Anyone can add those things. First, I strongly encourage switching to the Source Editor for any development of the wiki, if you haven't already. You can do that by setting it in your Preferences or from the drop down menu where the editing page says Visual Editor. The Source Editor shows the wiki code, which is simple to pick up, and makes the following templates easier to use. Have a look at the code of a finished page like Tethir Road to see how it all works.
To add a reference, you need to paste in a citation template. In Tethir Road, I used:
<ref name="LoI-A-p53">{{Cite book/Lands of Intrigue/Amn|54}}</ref>
The citation template is found at Template:Cite book/Lands of Intrigue/Amn. The curly brackets trigger the template, the number is the page number, and the vertical bar separates the entries. The <ref></ref> creates a footnote, and name gives it a name for reuse later with <ref name="LoI-A-p53"/>. You can find more at Category:Sourcebook citation templates
Adding that grid, called an infobox, is more involved. You need to copy-and-paste a much bigger template from Template:Location and fill it following the guidelines there. If you create any new page with the Source Editor active, we have an auto-fill option that will add a common infobox and sections, which will save some time. You can find more infoboxes at Category:Infoboxes.
I hope that helps. BadCatMan (talk) 03:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Explorer's Guide to Wildemount[]

Can this book be used as a sourcebook? - User:Youngtrainer

I already told you – no. BadCatMan (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


Can I make a page for this monster? And please explain why not because I was thinking that every soucebook that has been posted into that list is included so for the monsters... – User:Youngtrainer

I believe we've already discussed this with you, but I'll go over it again. As the Forgotten Realms Wiki, we naturally try to focus on the Forgotten Realms, and believe it would dilute both the wiki and the Realms for the wiki to cover non-FR content. The FRW might be the de facto core D&D wiki, but it's not our goal and we encourage the development of other D&D wikis for other settings. Since we can find no evidence for the guulvorg appearing in any Realms sources or settings, or even being tangentially connected to Toril, we cannot accept it on the FRW. Things might be linked by default that aren't actually required.
However, I have found some (very minor) appearances of guulvorgs in Eberron (Dungeon #177) and Ravenloft (Dragon #368), so the guulvorg would have a home on the Eberron Wiki and Ravenloft Wiki. I'm an admin on those, so I can export your guulvorg article to them later. You may also consider the various wikis for the Nerath/Points of Light setting, core D&D, and 4e D&D, but we have no affiliation with them.
By the way, if you want to appeal something, just ask one admin, not every admin and mod you can find, and don't ask again about what's already been explained, as it just risks annoying people. BadCatMan (talk) 03:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
PS: Okay, I checked, you haven't actually made an article for it yet, just added two pictures to a page, which is largely why it was deleted out of hand. So I won't export it anywhere, but you're welcome to make a new article on the Eberron Wiki or Ravenloft Wiki or both. Please add the information, sources, and Creature infobox to make a proper article for it. BadCatMan (talk) 05:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Deletions, oh my[]

Hey BadCatMan, I've ran a bot to clean up some of the broken redirects. This may result in some red links, but I think it will help to distinguish actual missing content, since they suggested the target pages exist. My apologies if it broke something! Тагазиэль 12:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. We can recreate any we need later on. BadCatMan (talk) 13:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Hell Hound's Muzzle[]

Hello, can you tell me why the article Hell Hound's Muzzle was deleted? Was there an issue with the article's content or appropriateness for the wiki? --Satnak (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry, I meant to delete a redirect to the article left behind after I moved it (to remove a redundant 'The' from the title). Thanks for pointing it out! BadCatMan (talk) 03:59, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Cool, no problem. --Satnak (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


Hi! I just wanted to say thank you for all the proofreading you've done on my recent articles, I really appreciate that. :) I you have a moment, I'd love if you could look at Church of Milil — it's now in a state that I'm happy with, and given the sheer size I'm pretty sure it could use some tidying from a second pair of eyes. — WanderingKobold (talk) 20:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

No worries, I'm happy to help and read others' work. :) Okay, I shall try to go over Church of Milil when I get a chance, though it will have to be when work settles down a bit. I'm also an editor in my day job, so another big proofread can be wearing. BadCatMan (talk) 11:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Fan art[]

Hello there! I'm Malte and I've contributed to some articles about creatures and locations from the Dungeons & Dragons Essentials Kit, most recently from Storm Lord's Wrath. Unfortunately, this adventure has very little artwork. So I looked around a bit and came across Jacob Johnston's blog where he has created fan art for all NPCs from the adventure, among other things. He made his artworks publicly available under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License and I thought this fan art might benefit some articles in this Wiki. I used his fan art of Martisha Vinetalker when creating her article but you removed that artwork. So I was wondering: Is this particular artwork problematic or is fan art generally forbidden on this Wiki? I'm just wondering whether there are some guideluines concerning fan art that I'm not aware of, or whether I shouldn't use fan art in general. Thanks in advance for your answer! Malte Martin (talk) 22:21, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. The use of fan art on the wiki is controversial – while some editors are for it, others (like me) are against it. Being a wiki of canon and licensed materials, using unofficial and fan-made materials seems antithetical to that and can give the wrong impression. Regardless, we are in agreement on a few points and have a fan art policy. First, the artist's permission is required. While Jacob Johnston might be okay with players using his work in their games, hosting it on the wiki and displaying it to the world might be another matter. It's just to be polite and respectful, really. Second, we've agreed that fan art should not be displayed in the main article or infobox of a page, to prevent it from being mistaken for official art. Instead, it should be displayed in a gallery into the Appendix, at the bottom of the page. I hope these points help. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, that clears things up for me. I can contact Jacob Johnston and ask him if he would be ok with some of his artwork being featured in this Wiki. As far as I can tell, his artwork stays true to the official descriptions in the adventures with great attention to detail. Only when there is no detailed description in the adventures does he use more artistic freedom. That's why I thought some of his fan art would be appropriate here, while following the fan art policy and not displaying it in the infobox like I did before. Would that be ok for you if Jacob Johnston agrees as well? Malte Martin (talk) 11:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
As I said, I'm against fan art as a rule and don't want to support it, so I'm afraid I cannot say yes. Start a discussion on Talk:Martisha Vinetalker and get some other editors to agree or chime in. Then at least there'll be an associated discussion on it for future record, with links and quotes, etc. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 11:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
PS: Halt that, there's been some objections from other editors. We'll open up a general discussion of fan art on the Forum and review the policy and where we all stand on it. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to share your views at Forum:Review of Fan Art Policy. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

RE: The Realm[]

Regarding your talk page message to me, that was extremely excessive. I had not edited in the four hours before you temporarily blocked me. There was absolutely zero reason to assume I was going to continue making changes to those links. I sincerely hope you don't have a habit of making your first interaction with new users the block button. On Wikipedia, we call that biting the newcomers. ): –MJLTalk 16:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey. Unfortunately, there are only a few editors consistently active on this wiki, so a short block is the default in order to prevent a new editor from making large numbers of problematic edits, and thus creating a large burden on the active editors to undo those edits. Although, if you know about WP:BITE, then you should understand the importance of policies to a well-run wiki. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I don't know where you got four hours from; I blocked you only seven minutes after your last edit. Maybe it's the time difference? And it was only for two hours, the minimum setting available. Since you only responded more than two weeks later, I'm guessing you didn't come back and notice until now. If you'd responded on your Talk page at the time, I would've lifted the block immediately and let you continue.
SilverTiger has it right: we do this to save us all the effort, newbies and veterans. While your fixed link on Elemental Chaos was correct, I couldn't assume you wouldn't continue with more incorrect link edits like those on the cartoon kids or more significant problems. Please always check the facts and policies first. And I've been bit plenty of times of Wikipedia. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

5e Vecna[]

Hey, I think the new image is far more representative of 5e Vecna rather than the MTG artwork. Considering the fact that MTG art wasn't used anywhere outside MTG while the new image is featured not only on the official D&D youtube channel, but also in the 2022 Dungeons & Dragons annual. It really does seem like the 5e redesign for an upcoming adventure. Source, Amazon link.Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 16:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't know that it's representative; Vecna's been depicted differently in every outing, it seems, but this latest one has two eyes! Anyway, thanks for identifying a source for it, I'd been looking for sources and artists for these pieces when you uploaded. We prefer sourcebooks as primary sources over YouTube videos and other promotional materials, and even the Annual 2022 is uncertain as a source, as it's just more promo materials. It may be premature to assume it's for an adventure, or even for 5e. And I would still like to identify the artist so we can properly attribute it and present it. In any case, thanks, I'll check this later and revise the images. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 03:42, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi again. We've decided that while the image is still only appearing in promotional materials (the licensed annual and video, in support of the statue and Funko figure), it's still not officially official, as it were. The image was pieced together from the video by a Redditor, so there could be more to it still. So we'll leave the MtG image in the spotlight a while longer until we know more about this latest one and have an artist for it. Thanks for finding the nice image though. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that Redditor was me, haha. The thing is, I'm not sure if MtG image represents 5e Vecna either. At the very least the new image is used by D&D sources, while MtG Vecna is in MtG media only. And with expensive figurines and Funkos it doesn't look like Wizards are planning to use the MtG design in the future. Maybe we can move the MtG image to the gallery as well? Otherwise you'd have to move MtG's "sexy Bane" from the gallery to the infobox, haha. I think 4e Vecna represents the character rather well. - Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 13:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
And now there's a D&D Beyond promo featuring the same images. It seems like they really are pushing this new design. Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 20:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, so it sees. And artist Kieran Yanner just posted it on Twitter, here, so now we have an artist for it. I've replaced your image with his, to be more complete and official. Yanner says we'll know more tomorrow.
Where options exist, we try to display images we feel are decently representative, we don't have to be consistent. So while we bury stupid sexy MtG Bane down in the Gallery, we'll show other MtG images like the MtG Vecna (whose depiction has been generally widely varying). In time, the new 5e depiction will dominate and we can switch, but until then, I think we can give the classic lich wizard style a few more days in the spotlight. :) ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:36, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
It's official now! The Vecna Dossier + How Powerful is Vecna We have an official 5e vecna statblock as well! Raiden - God of Thunder (talk) 21:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Alright then, I've switched the images. :) ~ BadCatMan (talk) 02:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

ILM (Industrial Light & Magic) - D&D Honor Among Thieves[]

Your facts are simply wrong I've searched the entire internet and yes MPC was hiring around June 2021, ILM was already brought on board first and my assumptions are most of the artists from ILM on IMDB and their own website (including ILM's) have already got this film on their linkedin account. MPC there hasn't been much online saying artists wise. So ILM is the main overall VFX company if Ben Snow is senior supervisor he could potentially be the production vfx supervisor for ILM aswell as the main show itself. Please check your facts about VFX before updating on here – User:MovieDude2001

The entire internet, really? Even the pixels? Anyway, yes, that is the exact same site that I had already cited. There are no dates on it, so you can't say when they first reported working on it, let alone when they actually working on it, something known only to employees. I do know that when ILM recently redesigned their website, they removed all mention of the D&D movie for several days before they remembered to restore the page, so, who knows, maybe it's not that much of a priority for them.
Your assumptions are not facts. Only one person from ILM has the D&D movie mentioned in their LinkedIn, and none from MPC, which is hardly a representative sample either way. But MPC have been recruiting and posting about the movie often on their LinkedIn and Instagram accounts, while ILM haven't said anything I can find. IMDB is filled in by the crew themselves or by randoms on the Internet, so all you can say from that is that more ILM staff have their details there. It means nothing.
In any case, it doesn't matter. There's no way anyone outside the company can know who worked on what, which company had the lion's share of shots or if they're collaborating or not, and who started first, and I don't care, so there's no point you arguing about it. But hey, you've searched the entire internet, so check your facts if you have any and do share them, just like how I've documented the entire production and broken several stories about this. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 01:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Disambig in infobox[]

Is there a way to exclude the disambig from the infobox article title and still have the appropriate categories link to the page? With the Street of Swords (Zhentil Keep) page the category "Locations on the Street of Swords (Zhentil Keep)" did not link to the page when (Zhentil Keep) was removed from the infobox title. Artemaz (talk) 11:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realise that would be an issue. Yeah, it needs the linkname parameter included, as in Template:Location/Road. There you can set whatever the category needs, separate from the infobox title. ~ BadCatMan (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Gotcha, just added it. Thanks! Artemaz (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)