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Dragonspawn Template?[edit source]

As I have been working on the dragonspawn from MM IV lately, I was wondering if you could make a templet like the one for Celestials, etc. I have a vague idea to start with:

(Bold title, first and third word linked) Dragonspawn of Tiamat

Redspawn: Birther * Devastator * Firebelcher

Blackspawn: Corrupter * Stalker

Bluespawn: Ambusher * Burrower * Godslayer * Stoneglider * Stormlizard

Greenspawn: Leaper * Razorfiend * Sneak * Zealot

Whitespawn: Hordeling * Hunter * Iceskidder

Other dragonspawn: Brownspawn marauder * Felljaw * Grayspawn fleshtearer * Haraevor * Purplespawn nightmare

I know this will probably take some work, but it would be very nice to have.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:15, January 4, 2020 (UTC)

Sure. I can make it for you in a few minutes. good idea ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:27, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
Here you go:
Redspawn: BirtherDevastatorFirebelcher
Blackspawn: CorruptorStalker
Bluespawn: AmbusherBurrowerGodslayerStonegliderStormlizard
Greenspawn: LeaperRazorfiendSneakZealot
Whitespawn: HordelingHunterIceskidder
Other Dragonspawn
Brownspawn marauderFelljawGrayspawn fleshtearerHaraevorPurplespawn nightmare

~ Lhynard (talk) 23:45, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Lhynard.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 03:04, January 5, 2020 (UTC)

Inhabitants of the planes[edit source]

Hello Lhynard! It's great to see the Seelie Court appear here!

I have seen you have added categories like Category:Inhabitants of the Planes of Chaos. As it would be quite some work to add that layer of complexity (or work for a really well-constructed bot), I want to point you to the category intersections at Category:Creatures by plane as an alternative. Inhabitants and creatures are of course not the same cup of tea, and I don't say one or the other way is better, but the second way exists.

As another thing I have added the 2nd "Damh" stats to Hyrsam. What's your opinion, what would fit better, the deity or the person template? We will loose a bit of information either way.

Daranios (talk) 21:05, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.
It looks like we need a system like Category:Creatures by plane for Category:Inhabitants by plane of existence. (Also, I don't know why we need the wordy "…of existence" on these.) I am happy if Moviesign or you could set this up. I'd be more than happy with that and would not need things like Category:Inhabitants of the Planes of Chaos. I agree.
Re: Damh: Great, I was going to add a {{Deity}} infobox to him later, but it is fine that you beat me to it! I think that any information that we lose from the {{Person}} infobox can just be mentioned somewhere in the article, so it can go away. The only thing that we lose from the Person infobox is alias, which we should probably add to the Deity template anyhow; sex, which is fluid for deities anyhow; parents; and languages. It's good form to mention a gods "parents" in the Relationships section, but languages for a god seems silly. He is an archfey in 4e and 5e, so the 4e class information can move to the avatar section also, like what I did for my update to Titania.
Good to see you still active here!
~ Lhynard (talk) 23:25, January 13, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I am still around doing bits and pieces :-). There is a wave of deletion of D&D-related content at Wikipedia, and trying to save a fraction of that keeps me busy. And of course there's real live... Daranios (talk) 20:36, January 14, 2020 (UTC)

Good articles[edit source]


I hope you don't mind, but I nominated a bunch of the Celestial eladrin articles for Good Article status. (Only Shiradi was left out)

Also, thanks for your work on the celestials as a whole.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:39, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind at all; thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:31, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

Fey Questions[edit source]


I have two different fey-related questions. The first is, would it be more appropriate to use the Creature or Deity template for the Prince of Frost? He is given a Creature stat block in the Dragon article, but is an individual. Also, you used Deity templates for the Seelie Court; consistency might be good here.

Secondly, while the Celestial eladrin are repeatedly described as fey-like, at no point that I can find are they actually called fey. Therefore, I would not categorize them as fey; it seems far more confusing than helpful to do so. Instead, mentioning that the celestial eladrin were similar and occasionally mistaken for fey on the Fey page would be more accurate.

Have a good day.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:37, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Can the Prince of Frost grant divine spells? and does he have worshipers? If so, then he is considered a deity and should have that infobox. Otherwise, he's just an archfey and gets a Person infobox. No individual ever gets a Creature infobox.
They were explicitly called fey by one of the designers during the switch from 3e to 4e. (Believe me, I put a lot of research into this question.) This is cited in the Celestial eladrin article itself and also in the Noble eladrin article. It is also described in the Eladrin disambiguation page. In 4e, all elves and eladrin (of any kind) are considered fey, and in 2e, elves and celestial eladrin are also confirmed to be distantly related. (See Warriors of Heaven.) "Fey" simply means that creatures have a connection to the Feywild. In Realms lore, leShay were fey who were the elven creator race, so a fey connection exists for at least elves in 3e, and that concept is revisited not just in 4e but also in 5e, with Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes. Yes, elves are not celestial eladrin, but they are, again, distantly related. There is no conflict with celestial eladrin being "celestial fey". Heck, one of Morwel's titles is the Faerie Queen.
~ Lhynard (talk) 00:13, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Edit: Correction: Person infobox, not Creature infobox
Fair enough in regards to the eladrin. As for the Prince of Frost, he is described as having both exarchs and mortal followers, including some druids who worship him, but his most powerful mortal servants are warlocks, not cleric. He does grant a special spell to his warlocks, though. But honestly, it is all very confusing. What makes it worse is how his transition from "mortal eladrin" to "archfey" is described, in terms that are similar to how apotheosis is also described. Ugh.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:21, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Well, yeah, that's tricky. I'd just give him a Person infobox for now, unless he is provided with any cleric domains in his stats, which I don't think he is. If he were a true deity by 4e standards, he'd have domains provided. ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:24, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
I started putting together his stats in the Deity template; it actually seems to be working the best. Mind if I continue, then see how it turns out?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:29, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Sure; that's fine. ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:53, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Another question for an expert... for the purposes of the FR wiki, the Summer Queen of 4e is synonymous with Queen Titania, right?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:43, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Yes. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:58, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Few Problems[edit source]

Hello. Sorry to bug you personally but you were online. 1. Could you get rid of that Tetris page some random randy put there. Don't think I'm allowed to do that. 2. Could you get rid of the page labeled Servants of Mammon. It seems to be a misunderstanding where the person writing thought the generic label was referring to a specific army. Pls and thanks.Vegepygmy (talk) 20:53, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

  1. done
  2. I'll look into it.
FYI, in the future, you can mark a page with the {{Deletion}} tag for one of the admins to look at and for others to see and discuss if they want.
~ Lhynard (talk) 21:03, May 1, 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks. By the way, Tetris is an island so I'm not sure if he's trolling or just wanted to point that out.Vegepygmy (talk) 21:07, May 1, 2020 (UTC)
You were correct about the "Servants of Mammon" and I deleted it and all related pages.
I had no idea that Tetris was actually an island. good to know
~ Lhynard (talk) 21:11, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

Wildemount[edit source]

Does Wildemount count as an official setting? I know it's not exactly Forgotten Realms, but it says certain things about preexisting races that are FR canon and I don't know if it actually applies. I ask, because it seems different to Eberron or Greyhawk due to the Critical Role connection.Vegepygmy (talk) 21:05, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

It is an official setting, yes. However, what it says about races completely does not apply to the Realms. Different settings in D&D exist in different crystal spheres or planes of existence with their own lore and rules of magic. An elf from Oerth is not the same as an elf from Toril. (Elves from Toril are all taller.) A gnome or dragon from Krynn is not the same as a gnome or dragon from Toril. And a firbolg from Wildemount is not the same as a firbolg from Toril. The ones on Toril are related to Ulutiu and Othea; the ones from Wildemount are a completely different thing altogether.
Now, individuals from Wildemount can travel, by magic, to Toril or vice versa, and this has happened. Elves from Oerth have come to Toril, and so have gnomes and kinder from Krynn. The events that took place on the Critical Role show involving the Hand of Vecna do indeed have a connection to the Realms. But in no way does all material about races in Wildemount apply to the FR.
~ Lhynard (talk) 22:57, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

For the record[edit source]

I wish there was a more efficient way for me to respond to edits than this, but here we are - I was in no way attempting to "make up" stats for the Eldritch Giant. Making up stats is something that I would never do. I had simply, and thoughtlessly I might add, copy & pastied over what was shown on the 4e section of the Frost Giant's infobox, even though the latter's entry inside the Monster Manual 2 (4th edition) oddly enough only states (cold, giant) and nothing about giant-kin. Besides that, everything else on the page was added as I saw it inside the Monster Manual 2.

SunderedShor (talk) 06:59, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

Hey, no worries! Sorry if I came across as mad; I wasn't. It was meant to be more like a "Yo, be careful!" Thanks for leaving a message. The Frost giant stats are wrong then. I'll go fix them. ~ Lhynard (talk) 07:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

Caoimhin's Spell-like Abilities[edit source]

Hello Lhynard! I wanted to get back to you about the abilities of Caoimhin I had italicized. I think they are spells which his avatar can use as spell-like abilities, and they are italicized in the source. So I think we should also do that, at least where the spell name appears as such. Where the spell name is nicely integrated into flavor text, like for mending/mend and seeming/seem, I think either way would be fine. What do you think? Or is there another rationale going on here? Thanks for letting me know! Daranios (talk) 18:27, May 19, 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Daranios. I failed to respond to this.
I personally do not like it when spell-like abilities are mixed up with actual spells. I realize that the sourcebooks often italicize both, but I greatly prefer only italicizing spells. (Actually, I don't like italicizing spells either, but it is the consensus.) 2e sourcebooks are sometimes bad about distinguishing them, but the rules technically do, and I try very hard in my articles to differentiate spells from spell-like abilities, by describing the magical effects in words without resorting to only the spell name. Sometimes, the description and the name will happen to correspond, but it is coincidental.
~ Lhynard (talk) 21:00, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

Ironfang Page Rename Possible?[edit source]

Can the following page be renamed?

To just:

There are a couple of reasons:

  1. None of the other weapons by DeVir have the type in the title.
  2. It's not "warpick" it's "war pick"

I believe there are only one or two references to it and I can edit those to point to the new one.

Sigzero (talk) 20:32, July 2, 2020 (UTC)Sigzero

In this case, the page Ironfang already exists, because the term can refer to more than just the war pick, so there is a need for a disambiguation page.
I renamed the page to Ironfang (war pick) for you though.
In the future, you can do this yourself, by the way. Simply select rename from the edit button menu.
~ Lhynard (talk) 20:56, July 2, 2020 (UTC)

What is included in the Realms?[edit source]

Hello can you tell me what realms are included in the Forgotten Realms besides Eberron? because from what I've heard there are other campaigns of realms included I'm interested from the third edition upYountrainer 17:18, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Eberron is not a part of the Forgotten Realms at all.
The Realms includes the campaign settings located on the planet Toril: Kara-Tur/Oriental Adventures, Zakhara/Al-Qadim, Maztica, and the Hordelands/Horde Campaign.
This wiki covers any topics with connections to the Forgotten Realms. This includes other planets in Realmspace and events and persons from other settings, such as the Planescape Campaign Setting or Spelljammer: AD&D Adventures in Space, that may cross over into the Realms.
If someone from Eberron came to the Realms, we would write an article about that person, but in general, Eberron has nothing to do with the Forgotten Realms.
I hope that clarifies things for you.
~ Lhynard (talk) 17:25, August 6, 2020 (UTC)

Editing Compliance[edit source]


I was trying to edit the page on the orc goddess "Luthic". Unfortunately I was not compliant with the appropriate policy and did not have an account set up yet.  I do now. 

I went to edit the page after seeing your message to my IP address and creating my account as a result and found that the edit function is missing and the ability to use the E key is disabled. 

Checking into the history of the edits, it appears the page on Luthic has been protected on an indefinite basis. I am compliant with policy now.  Is there any way you can remove this protection so that the information in the article can be corrected? 


Penandpapercapers (talk) 23:37, August 15, 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Penandpapercapers,
Thank you for making a user account, as it makes it much easier to communicate with and help new users.
I had changed the protection to prevent new users and unregistered users to edit. I just loosened this, at your request, but please make sure that any information that you add contains a source, and it must be in your own words and in narrative tense. You can simply copy some of the sources already present in the article or you can add new ones. Sources can be tricky for new editors, so feel free to ask if you need any help, but we have citation templates already created for almost all valid sourcebooks here: Category:Citation templates.
~ Lhynard (talk) 01:43, August 16, 2020 (UTC)

Unrelated Spells[edit source]

I've literally seen hundreds of "unrelated" spells on this wiki so are all of them going to be labelled as such? Artemaz (talk) 20:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

They should be, yes. They do not belong on the wiki if they are not Realms-confirmed spells. We are supposed to be a wiki about Realms lore. A spell without Realms lore is nothing but crunch.
I am doubtful that the number is hundreds though, and in most cases, one can find a relation easily enough. There are, after all, many novels, games, and adventures out there.
~ Lhynard (talk) 21:01, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I did not noitce all the ones that you were adding until today. I figured that you had been with us long enough to know not to add unrelated articles. Recently, I saw that you were adding the Magic of Faerûn ones, which was great. I didn't notice when you made the transition to all of these non-FR ones, else I would have stopped you sooner. ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Just to let you know that most of these spells are actually related (be sure to provide a Realms source when you add the article). I have corrected a handful of them by adding Realms relations to them! ~ Possessed Priest (talk) 23:28, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
That is not surprising. Thanks for fixing them. ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The Realms Connection[edit source]

Hello, I'm creating pages for demon lords of the Abyss, which appears in The Forgotten Realms. What do you mean by trying to link it? There are pages for other demon lords too.

The Abyss has a connection to the Realms, yes, but that in no way means that everything in the Abyss does. Many of the demon lords have zero relevance to the Realms as they come from core D&D sources that are not about the Realms. You need to have sources from Forgotten Realms sourcebooks that make mention of any such demon lords or else such an article belongs on a different wiki. For example, Graz'zt is mentioned in many FR sources and has influenced happenings in the Realms. Not all demon lords have. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I see, thank you.

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