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Dragonspawn Template?Edit

As I have been working on the dragonspawn from MM IV lately, I was wondering if you could make a templet like the one for Celestials, etc. I have a vague idea to start with:

(Bold title, first and third word linked) Dragonspawn of Tiamat

Redspawn: Birther * Devastator * Firebelcher

Blackspawn: Corrupter * Stalker

Bluespawn: Ambusher * Burrower * Godslayer * Stoneglider * Stormlizard

Greenspawn: Leaper * Razorfiend * Sneak * Zealot

Whitespawn: Hordeling * Hunter * Iceskidder

Other dragonspawn: Brownspawn marauder * Felljaw * Grayspawn fleshtearer * Haraevor * Purplespawn nightmare

I know this will probably take some work, but it would be very nice to have.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:15, January 4, 2020 (UTC)

Sure. I can make it for you in a few minutes. good idea ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:27, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
Here you go:
Redspawn: BirtherDevastatorFirebelcher
Blackspawn: CorrupterStalker
Bluespawn: AmbusherBurrowerGodslayerStonegliderStormlizard
Greenspawn: LeaperRazorfiendSneakZealot
Whitespawn: HordelingHunterIceskidder
Other Dragonspawn
Brownspawn marauderFelljawGrayspawn fleshtearerHaraevorPurplespawn nightmare

~ Lhynard (talk) 23:45, January 4, 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Lhynard.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 03:04, January 5, 2020 (UTC)

Inhabitants of the planes Edit

Hello Lhynard! It's great to see the Seelie Court appear here!

I have seen you have added categories like Category:Inhabitants of the Planes of Chaos. As it would be quite some work to add that layer of complexity (or work for a really well-constructed bot), I want to point you to the category intersections at Category:Creatures by plane as an alternative. Inhabitants and creatures are of course not the same cup of tea, and I don't say one or the other way is better, but the second way exists.

As another thing I have added the 2nd "Damh" stats to Hyrsam. What's your opinion, what would fit better, the deity or the person template? We will loose a bit of information either way.

Daranios (talk) 21:05, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.
It looks like we need a system like Category:Creatures by plane for Category:Inhabitants by plane of existence. (Also, I don't know why we need the wordy "…of existence" on these.) I am happy if Moviesign or you could set this up. I'd be more than happy with that and would not need things like Category:Inhabitants of the Planes of Chaos. I agree.
Re: Damh: Great, I was going to add a {{Deity}} infobox to him later, but it is fine that you beat me to it! I think that any information that we lose from the {{Person}} infobox can just be mentioned somewhere in the article, so it can go away. The only thing that we lose from the Person infobox is alias, which we should probably add to the Deity template anyhow; sex, which is fluid for deities anyhow; parents; and languages. It's good form to mention a gods "parents" in the Relationships section, but languages for a god seems silly. He is an archfey in 4e and 5e, so the 4e class information can move to the avatar section also, like what I did for my update to Titania.
Good to see you still active here!
~ Lhynard (talk) 23:25, January 13, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I am still around doing bits and pieces :-). There is a wave of deletion of D&D-related content at Wikipedia, and trying to save a fraction of that keeps me busy. And of course there's real live... Daranios (talk) 20:36, January 14, 2020 (UTC)

Good articles Edit


I hope you don't mind, but I nominated a bunch of the Celestial eladrin articles for Good Article status. (Only Shiradi was left out)

Also, thanks for your work on the celestials as a whole.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:39, March 1, 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind at all; thanks! ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:31, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

Fey Questions Edit


I have two different fey-related questions. The first is, would it be more appropriate to use the Creature or Deity template for the Prince of Frost? He is given a Creature stat block in the Dragon article, but is an individual. Also, you used Deity templates for the Seelie Court; consistency might be good here.

Secondly, while the Celestial eladrin are repeatedly described as fey-like, at no point that I can find are they actually called fey. Therefore, I would not categorize them as fey; it seems far more confusing than helpful to do so. Instead, mentioning that the celestial eladrin were similar and occasionally mistaken for fey on the Fey page would be more accurate.

Have a good day.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:37, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Can the Prince of Frost grant divine spells? and does he have worshipers? If so, then he is considered a deity and should have that infobox. Otherwise, he's just an archfey and gets a Person infobox. No individual ever gets a Creature infobox.
They were explicitly called fey by one of the designers during the switch from 3e to 4e. (Believe me, I put a lot of research into this question.) This is cited in the Celestial eladrin article itself and also in the Noble eladrin article. It is also described in the Eladrin disambiguation page. In 4e, all elves and eladrin (of any kind) are considered fey, and in 2e, elves and celestial eladrin are also confirmed to be distantly related. (See Warriors of Heaven.) "Fey" simply means that creatures have a connection to the Feywild. In Realms lore, leShay were fey who were the elven creator race, so a fey connection exists for at least elves in 3e, and that concept is revisited not just in 4e but also in 5e, with Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes. Yes, elves are not celestial eladrin, but they are, again, distantly related. There is no conflict with celestial eladrin being "celestial fey". Heck, one of Morwel's titles is the Faerie Queen.
~ Lhynard (talk) 00:13, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Edit: Correction: Person infobox, not Creature infobox
Fair enough in regards to the eladrin. As for the Prince of Frost, he is described as having both exarchs and mortal followers, including some druids who worship him, but his most powerful mortal servants are warlocks, not cleric. He does grant a special spell to his warlocks, though. But honestly, it is all very confusing. What makes it worse is how his transition from "mortal eladrin" to "archfey" is described, in terms that are similar to how apotheosis is also described. Ugh.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:21, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Well, yeah, that's tricky. I'd just give him a Person infobox for now, unless he is provided with any cleric domains in his stats, which I don't think he is. If he were a true deity by 4e standards, he'd have domains provided. ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:24, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
I started putting together his stats in the Deity template; it actually seems to be working the best. Mind if I continue, then see how it turns out?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:29, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Sure; that's fine. ~ Lhynard (talk) 00:53, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Another question for an expert... for the purposes of the FR wiki, the Summer Queen of 4e is synonymous with Queen Titania, right?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:43, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Yes. ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:58, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
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