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Hashimashadoo (talk) 16:18, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Nice... I like the name :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:18, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

PlagiarismEdit

User 11, please read our plagiarism policy... rewrite all edits in your OWN words... it is okay to create 1 page a day... High admin BadCat saves his pages to a word document and rewrites the entire page, then uploads it... remember this wiki is not about getting as many pages as possible published or getting the most edits... it is about preserving the wonderful knowledge of the Realms, and to keep our website safe from being closed by Wizards for copying their own personal material... if you have any questions feel free to ask or any other admin, thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC) Yes, I know, sorry, usually I did correct (I hope) Maligor I did before go to bed and my purpose was edit all correctly today

VarramzordEdit

User 11, please check out the webpage: http://dndadventurersleague.org/villains-of-tyranny-of-dragons/02-latest-story_villians_varram_t_140708/ Thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 21:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

I check the page but not understand, where is the problem?? Unknown user 11 (talk) 23:13, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

User 11, you kept changing the article name, such as deleting undeserving and changing whisperer to wyrmspeaker... - Darkwynters (talk) 23:51, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I saw, I said in the Varramzord's page that my automatic corrector made mistake and I not acknowledge the error, Hope now is all okay (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:00, March 11, 2015 (UTC))

Good to have you on boardEdit

Hey Unkown user 11, just wanted to say is really nice to see you getting stuck in. It takes a little while to get used to things but Darkwynters and BadCatMan are really good at pointing us in the right direction. The more hands the better...and remember if you are ever confused just drop one us a message or even ask in the Forum. Keep up the good work.--Eli the Tanner (talk) 00:02, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice words (Unknown user 11 (talk) 09:20, March 13, 2015 (UTC))
User 11, excellent work on the Asbarode page :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:47, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

TemplatesEdit

User 11, admin Movie just wrote an excellent help paragraph, so I am posting it for you and changing a few words to fit your needs :)
Thanks for your Yozumian Dudui Yinochek article, it's a good start :) You chose to write an article about a person, so the next step would be to add the {{Person}} infobox to your page, and fill it out as best you can. You can copy and paste it from the "Usage" section. If you follow that link and scroll down, you'll see the "Standardized Sections". These are the general guidelines we use for articles about locations. Copy and paste them into your page, add your info (and anything else that the headings might suggest to you) and delete the ones you don't use. Take a look at other person articles to see how they are put together. Don't worry about getting it perfect, one of the other editors or admins will come along and tidy up if it needs it. Just remember to write everything in your own words (with few exceptions, we cannot accept passages copied directly from the source), and put it in past tense (see the Past Tense Policy and Plagiarism policy). And most of all, have fun! —Moviesign (talk) 22:04, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
This is awesome advice from Movie... So please slow down... I know you like creating new pages, but sometimes it looks like you quickly write up the articles and do not take the time to review your work... all in all, you are doing great work on this wiki :) - Darkwynters (talk) 22:46, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

What next? Edit

Now that you are finished your Knights of the Shield project, what next? ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:55, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Not yet sure, I think I continue to upload from Cloak and Dagger (I LOVE secret societies) but not decided yet my next target (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC))

You could go back and add more detail to existing articles. For example, the secret of what Morntel is up to is explained at Morntel (elder). It would help to flesh out the former article by making that clear.
BTW, semi-colons, ";", are mostly only used to make complex lists (when an item in the list is a list itself or a phrase with commas) or to add a little more information to support another sentence. In many cases, you don't need to use them. You can just start a new sentence. It would make your writer much easier, I think. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:08, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

About the ";" are a particularity of my mother language (and of myself in particular) so most time I no consider, for me are the same than ".". About the two Morntel I followed what it's write in the CaD(Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC))

Errors Edit

Hi. I would like to ask you to please take more care with the articles you create. I've noticed in the past that small errors have crept in, errors that slightly change the meaning of what the sourcebooks say, and I've corrected those. However, some of the latest articles I've checked have had major errors and changes in the meaning. For example:

Burak: The sourcebook says the "cargo" – the slaves – are given to the sadistic crew to do what they want to (enslaved again, tortured, eaten, killed, anything), and the slaves are never seen again. But you said "he showed to slaver no mercy al all and made slaves part of his crew", saying that the slaves are freed and allowed to join the crew. Nothing could be further from the truth. User:MaulMachine improved on that, but didn't know what the real story was.

Boruse Temlor: The sourcebook says Kandar "holds him in contempt for his lack of subtle machinations", meaning Kandar looked down on Boruse for not engaging in scheming. But you said he "thought that Boruse was too concerned about plots", meaning that Boruse is engaging in too much scheming. That's entirely the opposite meaning.

Doryn: You said he was an innkeeper (someone who manages an inn), but he only works at an inn. His main occupation is a stableboy and handyman. You said "but he found pride in his ability to read and write" though the sourcebook says nothing about this pride, only that he sees a lot of what's going on. You also said "a thing that no Zhent know." The meaning of this could go both ways: maybe that the Zhents don't know about his ability to read and write (correct), but it can also be read as meaning that the Zhents don't know how to read and write (false). Talking about Doryn's pride first only implies the second case.

I understand that English isn't your first language and you have difficulties with it (even some people raised on it struggle with it). We don't mind polishing the spelling and grammar in your articles (though I wish you didn't write quite so many of them, as it's hard to keep up). However, these errors and big changes in meaning really hamper the accuracy of the wiki, and we want to be reliable and trustworthy to all users.

So, please take more care in reading the sourcebooks and writing your articles. For example, re-read the information in the sourcebook to confirm you understand what it's saying. If something looks strange or unlikely, double-check it. You can look up unfamiliar words in a dictionary; there any many good online ones. When you write your article, read it back and double-check that it says the same things as the sourcebook did. If there is a small phrase or word you are unsure of, if you don't understand its meaning or don't know how to rephrase it, then it is okay to quote it without making it plagiarism. For example, for Boruse, we could say "Kandar was contemptuous of Boruse for his lack of subtle machinations".

I hope this was helpful to you. — BadCatMan (talk) 11:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Effectually for me was very problematic the translation of that sourcebook "The Moonsea", and obviously it's caused errors, for example I really misunderstanding the story of Burak; fortunately when I check again the pages for made adjustments I found that were mostly corrected by other users. Also thank for your advice about dictionaries but my problems were more about syntax than translation and for this it's more difficult found solutions. And be not mother language made for me plagiarism a more serious matter As last note, I preferred create articles and later correct, maybe next time that I'm not sure about meaning I can signal with a "Work on" advice. Sure I hope to not bothered you too much with the corrections, I NEVER like create bad articles. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 15:24, May 22, 2015 (UTC))

Hey Unknown User 11, I can imagine paraphasing translations can be quite tricky. Would you consider creating articles in your native language like we have for Faerûnpedia (the german version of this site)--Eli the Tanner (talk) 22:05, May 22, 2015 (UTC)?
Thank for the suggestion Eli but for many reasons I believe was TOO difficult, more easy corrects my articles here (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:37, May 23, 2015 (UTC))
Are you working off translations of the sourcebooks? Okay, I can see how that would further alter the meaning of the text, from English to your language and back while paraphrasing. If the translations themselves are of poor quality, then I would recommend looking at the English originals for comparison and education. You can get a bunch of old sourcebooks for free here.
I don't recommend creating the articles and intending to come back later and revise them. You might forget to come back (there are an awful lot), and other readers will see them and work on them in the mean time. Your language in the original articles is much better than in these comments, so it's clear you can write well when spending a little more time on it. So, I recommend taking the time to write a good enough article first off, before even publishing it. There's no rush to fill the wiki. Eli writes great articles with only one a week. Let's please try that: a slower pace that the other editors can keep up with.
There's also a Finnish wiki. I'm not aware of any others, though you might start one. What is your native language, if you don't mind me asking? My work is editing translations and work from non-native-English speakers, though I'm not a translator myself. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:00, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

About translation yes sometime happen and next time I remember your advice but sometime (when I was tired or stressed) I had problem in my mind when reading english sourcebook. My mother language is italian but I have for many reason no intention to start a Wiki in my language. For the creation of too many articles in few times, I think we have a very different approach to editing, this is one of the reason I had doubts about register. This for me is a hobby, if I have free time and I want create an article about a NPC I do. I repeat, I don't like create bad articles, plus I don't care if you or other user editing my articles(Unknown user 11 (talk) 10:17, May 23, 2015 (UTC))

This is the main reason we wanted to you to register, so we could keep track of your work for problems just like this. It's easier to search for work by a known user than an anonymous user's IP address. So again, thank for you registering.
It's my hobby too, of course, but most of my free time for the wiki goes into improving other users' articles. — BadCatMan (talk) 10:53, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is one of the reason because I had no intention to start a wiki, I really no envy you. About the factcheck like I said before, sure it's better check all from "The Moonsae" sourcebook but I'm pretty sure that most of the others (especially the from "Cloak and Dagger", that I had in my possession and had more time to read and check) are correct, so hope you recheck quickly all. Rationality I understand all the matter but emotionally was humiliating have that template to articles that I spend time and passion to did. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:46, May 23, 2015 (UTC))

I will check a few more later and when I feel confident that the older articles agree with the sources, I will remove the tags and concentrate on the Moonsea pages. Don't worry, this kind of thing happens to us all. :) — BadCatMan (talk) 13:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Just so you know, I've removed the Factcheck tags from the rest of your articles. I will continue to check those that came from The Moonsea. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:52, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

good, (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:04, May 27, 2015 (UTC))

EditingEdit

User 11, I would just like to say nice work on the wiki... keep up the good work :) - Darkwynters (talk) 21:32, July 16, 2015 (UTC) Thanks, it was always good to be appreciate for the work (Unknown user 11 (talk) 21:38, July 16, 2015 (UTC))

Hey, User 11, why are you condensing your infoboxes... it makes it hard to edit - Darkwynters (talk) 18:30, November 8, 2015 (UTC) I not really know what happen, I notice the condensation of info box but was a sort of error that I don't understand as fix (Unknown user 11 (talk) 21:51, November 8, 2015 (UTC))

Caps and Stubs Edit

Quick tip when making pages: don't forget to capitalize anything found within the infoboxes. (Dwarf and not dwarf). Only use the Stub tag if the article is extremely basic and needs a lot of work. Use the Incomplete tag for smaller articles where more information needs to be added. :) Artemaz (talk) 14:17, November 4, 2015 (UTC) Thank, I had this discussion also with BatCat but was in part for a different meaning that stub and incomplete have in my mother language (Unknown user 11 (talk) 17:32, November 4, 2015 (UTC))

A lot of people are confused about the stub and incomplete tags. Keep up the great work! Artemaz (talk) 17:38, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, you need to capitalize words that go into the infobox on the pages you are creating. Artemaz (talk) 20:25, November 14, 2015 (UTC) SERIOUSLY I don't understand what happened to info box I created recently, was a kind of bug

(Unknown user 11 (talk) 22:34, November 14, 2015 (UTC))


Infobox CrushingEdit

Hi, I just fixed all of your pages you made and/or edited today, and I would think since the admins normally fix this that it probably annoys them very much. Here is a great thread where I posted the main method to stop this from happening: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Infobox_crushing This will not stop every single infobox from collapsing, but it is a start. Gem Hound (talk) 19:13, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thank, like I said to admin, this problem happened just from nine or ten days, after a day that for unknown reasons the wiki not work. I saw your forum page but to be honest I not understand, I no very good to those things and english is no my motherlaguage so maybe I miss somethings. What I can said is that I have a Mac and use Safari as internet browser and usually I copy and paste from my previously pages.

I clearly put screenshots in my post. Use "Edit Source" instead of "Edit". It will help. Gem Hound (talk) 23:20, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

User 11, if you are just copy and pasting... use your Surruk page as an example... it has all the right capitalization and the most recent infobox :) Darkwynters (talk) 00:41, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
I know that English is not your mother-language, so I wanted to check that you understand what Darkwynter's asked.
Do you understand what Darkwynters asked you to do?
Will you copy-and-paste from you Surruk page now?
You do not seem to have done this with your newest pages.
~ Lhynard (talk) 15:20, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
yes, I understand, I have not problem with current english, only with some terms used for editing.
I not use Surruk page but an other recent no-crushed page and made all new edits using "Edit Source" instead of "Edit" from that, this help but sure not resolve. I believed was a kind of bug and I had no knowledge to clean it. Sorry but until resolve probably I need help of all to clean my pages.....
The newest pages you have made—for example, Florio—are no longer "crushed". That is good, but they still have a few annoying/frustrating problems:
  1. You are not capitalizing the first word of every entry in the infoboxes. For example,
    |occupation = warrior
    should be:
    |occupation = Warrior
  2. The equals signs (=) are not lined up vertically like they should be. For example,
    |image =
    |caption =
    |name = Florio
    |true name =
    |alt_spelling =
    |titles =
    |aliases =
    |nicknames =
    |home = Selgaunt, Sembia
    should be:
    |image          =
    |caption        =
    |name           = Florio
    |true name      =
    |alt_spelling   =
    |titles         =
    |aliases        =
    |nicknames      =
    |home           = Selgaunt, Sembia
Please, be careful to follow these two rules of our wiki. If you do not understand these two rules, let me know.
Thanks!
~ Lhynard (talk) 16:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
User 11, I know this might seem OCD, but, when editing an infobox, having the = line up helps visually. The capitaliztion is both correct grammar and also looks professional :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:09, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, really thank I FINALLY understand what mean capitalization ( Artemaz will be happy, he always remind me about), so okay I will remember this. But about the (=) sorry Lhynard but about this you are really TOO technical for me, I understand NOTHING about what I will do

Giant Races Edit

The different sub-types of giants are considered different races in core D&D and in the Forgotten Realms. When creating a page for a giant, use the race parameter only for entering something like "Stone giant". Do not use the ethnicity field. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:51, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

In User 11's defense... I started doing this... I guess having a "subrace" line is more what I was going for... You are right, a stone giant is not an ethnic group of giant... Can we add a subrace line to the Person template? Thanks :) - Darkwynters (talk) 06:47, January 10, 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand why you need a subrace parameter for {{Person}}. If a person is a stone giant, then that is his or her race (which should be linked to the Creature page). The {{Creature}} page should describe any sub-types or subraces in the general sense, but I don't see a need to specify this biological classification for an individual because the race tells you everything you need to know. Saying Cephalossk is an ulitharid is enough. If someone wants to know that ulitharid is a subrace of illithid, they can click on the link. —Moviesign (talk) 14:17, January 10, 2016 (UTC)
Usually, I like having extra params for infoboxes, but in this case, I agree with Movie. The difference between a race and an ethnicity is that the former has significantly different abilities, skills, feats, HD, etc.—different "rules". Ethnicities primarily have different cultures, languages, and superficial physical traits, but they all share the same "rules" for within their race. A subrace, on the other hand, is simply another race, only one that is closely related to another.
In the case of giants, they aren't even subraces. They are so wildly different from each other stats-wise that they are treated as distinct races. They only share the same type.
I think using ethnicity for Batiri or Bakemono makes sense, so I don't think it needs to be limited to only humans, but a subrace simply is another race. In the case of "elf", technically, it's not really a race; it's a collection of one of five (or six or seven) closely related races.
~ Lhynard (talk) 15:28, January 10, 2016 (UTC)
Argg *two arrows slam into DW and he falls* Totally cool :) - Darkwynters (talk) 17:58, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Organization Members Edit

If someone is affiliated with organization X, whether they are a simple member or even the leader, then they get the category "Members of X." Why do you keep removing the category? Artemaz (talk) 18:23, January 15, 2016 (UTC) Artemaz, sorry for this discussion, I LOVE categories, I always tried to include people in a organization. BUT two thing: 1) I not agree in create a category with only ONE member (and I KNOW that we add nobody more myconid members of the Circle of Explorer) 2) In particular case of myconid those guys were mushrooms, we don't know if those circles are a serious organization, a state of mind or a different kind of stuff, I know nothing about myconid before. So again in general I like you guy, you usually add useful integrations to my pages, I agree with you normally but for those myconids I believed was no correct add an organization category; maybe with more informations I change mind but not now

18,000Edit

Unless I miscounted, your Sloopidoop page was the 18,000th page on the wiki. Congratulations! and thanks for your contributions. —Moviesign (talk) 14:09, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

1E Characters Edit

Don't forget to make all of these characters from Swords of the Daimyo with 1E classes and not 2E classes. 2E was not released until 1989 and Swords of the Daimyo was released in 1986. Artemaz (talk) 13:08, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

I had this doubt before starting but nobody minus you corrected me. Plus I saw that also Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms module was classified as 1th sourcebook but all the pages in the wiki had a 2th classes. I think when need a clarification about from User:BadCatMan or an other administrators(Unknown user 11 (talk) 13:14, May 5, 2016 (UTC))
That's a good point. Let's see what one of the admins says about it. Artemaz (talk) 13:31, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yes I copy the all discussion to Bad, we wait and saw, the new NPC I add now had no class, so were okay

Kara-Tur characters Edit

Hi Unknown.

Just a small request: please slow down! :) You've made dozens of articles just this week. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but if you slow down and take your time, focus on one at a time, you can craft more complete and better articles. The wiki doesn't exactly need the sheer volume of minor characters. Furthermore, it makes it harder for the rest of us to fix all these articles, especially if a problem occurs like we had with the editions. I often spend more time repairing your articles than on my own projects.

I've been working on Koryo, and intend to do the characters there myself, so you don't have to cover that chapter of Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms: Volume II. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:24, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Please also make sure you check the revisions we make to your articles so you can see ways to improve your work and writing.
For one thing, you don't have to repeat full references all the time: for example, use <ref name="SotD-p22">{{Cite book/Swords of the Daimyo/Province Book of Miyama|22}}</ref> the first time, and then <ref name="SotD-p22"/> for later calls to the same reference.
Use an upper-case letter to begin lines in the infobox, as these are effectively sentences or labels.
Use "who" when referring to people, not "that", which is more common for objects. — BadCatMan (talk) 03:36, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

We had this discussion before; sometime I had free time and made MANY page I know sorry. Plus these guy from Miyama were describe in just one or two sentence so took few time create.

I never thought to cover Koryo without asking your permission, but in all case I had A LOT of work for Kozakura now.

Plus I ALWAYS check all revisions in order to improve myself (and I believe to do a little better than before now). Now I go to work to for five or six hours no edit for sure, after we see (Unknown user 11 (talk) 11:47, May 8, 2016 (UTC))

Looking at the recent batch, you've been spending less than 5–9 minutes to make each article. I think that's too little time, given the need to research and fact-check, and your difficulties with English. Myself, I would spend a longer time making articles of this kind, especially in Kara-Tur with its gratuitous Japanese.
Furthermore, when I check your articles against the sourcebooks, most of them are incomplete, missing either minor or important information, or they're just stubs, missing almost everything. In all cases, another editor needs to revise the article to improve the English and wiki style, and another editor needs to actually complete the article. For example, compare your work on [Naedaenya Arthas] and how I later developed it, Naedaenya Arthas.
If you're checking all the revisions, then please also check the edit summaries. I regularly give little suggestions and explain problems, but I keep seeing the same problems coming up in your work. I don't mind checking and copy-editing the English – it really is my job – but I hope you're getting something out of it and improving. Otherwise, I should just tag them with {{cleanup}} and ignore them.
We don't actually need this quantity of articles, and, to be honest, most articles don't even get read, yours and mine. But what we all appreciate are quality articles. So, I recommend not to mass-produce hundreds of stubby articles, but to focus on making a few good, complete articles. Take your time, don't rush through them. That will be a more satisfying project and give you better practice with English. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:43, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
Like I said before all those guys from Miyama had few sentence that describe them, so was easy and need few time made their page, and was the reason I made so much (usually I use for wiki one hour and half, in that time I can made maybe 30 guys from miyama, when I arrive to soucebook with more complex NPC sure I slow down much.
Plus I read ALL about edit if I have time (Unknown user 11 (talk) 20:55, May 8, 2016 (UTC))

Hi Unknown. Thanks for your efforts at improvement recently; the last couple of days of articles have been more detailed and readable.

For your and my projects, I calculated the dates of the Kozakuran calendar in Dalereckoning. The timelines in Swords of the Daimyo and Night of the Seven Swords start the Kozakuran calendar with the ascendancy of Emperor Mori in its year 1. The Grand History of the Realms puts this in -73 DR, so 74 years ahead.

Swords of the Daimyo is set in 1430 in the Kozakura Calendar, which is circa 1356 DR, and Night of the Seven Swords is set in 1433, which is circa 1359 DR. That's just one year short of what we've been estimating. The Kozakura chapter of Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms is set nine years after the end of the Hojo War (ended 1421), which would be circa 1430, or 1356 DR. However, the other eastern calendars put Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms in 1357 DR, so the Kozakuran calendar is maybe half a year out. So 1430 is 1356/1357 DR and 1433 is 1359/1360 DR.

So, anyway, your date estimares are fine. You can make them more precise and specific to the setting by saying, for example, "1430 (circa 1357 DR)" or "1430 (1356/1357 DR)". — BadCatMan (talk) 14:44, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Thank for clarification (Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:36, May 12, 2016 (UTC))

Mistaken yearsEdit

Bat please check the chronology of Lao Chin-Mao page that translating shou years in kozakuran and after in faerun was difficult and possibly I made mistake. Thank (Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:35, May 15, 2016 (UTC))

You didn't have to go through Kozakuran, so the dates were incorrect. The Kara-Tur: The Eastern Realms is confusing as it uses different dating systems: Shou Years in the Shou Lung and T'u Lung chapters, the Kozakuran Calendar in the Kozakura chapter, and Wa Years in Wa chapter. I don't know what the others use. I've fixed it now. — BadCatMan (talk) 10:17, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. – Unknown user 11

Hi Unknown. When adding events to the Years pages, please check carefully that you're using the correct local calendar and converting the years correctly. The Kara-Tur adventure modules use different calendars, but these are usually defined at the beginnings of the timelines. I've added the Shou, Kozakuran, and Wa calendars to the Years page templates, so you can check these to make sure you have the right page. — BadCatMan (talk) 01:19, May 26, 2016 (UTC) Thank, the problem was that ALL Kara-Tur countries have their personal calendars, next time I tried to check better (Unknown user 11 (talk) 08:34, May 26, 2016 (UTC))

Please fix broken letters Edit

Hello again.

If you're going to copy strange names out of a PDF document, please make sure you fix the broken characters that will appear. Some characters (letters, punctuation) won't appear correctly in the fonts used in Wikia. Apostrophes " ' " can appear as curly apostrophes " ’ " or as broken symbols. They won't link to correctly, and can't be typed into the editing window or search window. Hiding them behind piped links doesn't fix the problem.

Please respond here so I know you understand this problem and will work to fix it. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:01, May 29, 2016 (UTC)

I know and usually fix, be quiet!!! i'm sorry that I not check Yin-kung T'o and others. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:42, May 29, 2016 (UTC))
I beg your pardon? "Be quiet!!!"? I know there's a language barrier here, but in English you should know it's very rude.
Immediately after you responded here, you went and made Wai Gada Shinzu and Rah Kigi Lo, and they were full of the same broken characters I just warned you about. You say you usually fix them, but before and after, your articles have been rife with them. It shouldn't be "usually" but always. These broken characters aren't hidden, they appear very clearly in the editing window.
And you regularly go back to other problems I've pointed out several times: common spelling errors, duplicated references, incorrect dates. You say you read the comments and my notices to you, but I'm afraid it doesn't look like it. In a year and a half of doing this, you haven't actually made any improvements.
Once again, I have to ask and insist: please slow down and concentrate on making one good article, rather than spitting out a bunch of poor ones. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:03, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
I've blocked you until you respond and properly address these issues. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:05, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry but your comments look like I ENJOY made bad articles. I no like made errors but they happens. USUALLY I tried to check but maybe one day I was tired or in a hurry, so it's no possible ALWAYS made good articles, my life not rotated only about this wiki. About last articles I recheck Wai Gada Shinzu and Rah Kigi Lo because I know something not right.

About the apostrophes " ' " " ’ " I noticed that something was wrong but not truly understood what happened, and also after your explanation I no understand, in my keyboard I have only "'".

Last I "haven't actually made any improvements"???? Sorry you are my teacher????

(Unknown user 11 (talk) 09:12, May 30, 2016 (UTC))

No, I'm a chief admin of this wiki trying to maintain a level of good quality. I'm also a technical editor who edits scientific papers for Japanese, Chinese, and Korean scientists; who provides tutoring services in English and writing matters; and who works with translators to ensure proper meaning is maintained. Fixing your articles is just the same as my day job, and takes just as long, only here I don't get paid. In the same way, I really do want to help you improve your writing style here on the wiki, throughmy comments in edit summaries and talk pages. Unfortunately, even my most basic suggestions don't seem to be reaching you. When an issue is pointed out to you, you briefly acknowledge it or you don't respond, but then you do it again and again. How many times have I mentioned in edit summaries that "rappresentive" is not a word; "attire" means clothing, not "attract"; and "casually" means to do something idly, not "incidentally"?
All these errors happen to everyone, of course they do. But, compared to every other editor, you make them frequently. I know English isn't your first language, and I do understand that problem. Because of that, it is naturally more likely that you will make errors in typing, spelling, and grammar than someone who has English as a first language. (I'm not being prejudiced against people with English as a second language here. I've recommended such people for technical editing positions while knocking back English people raised with English who didn't have the necessary skills or command of their own language.)
The obvious solution for you is to make only one article at a time. You should focus on that, read it back, check it over, fix the problems, and ensure it is all correct before posting it. Then you should wait and see how other editors change it, read the changes, make sure you understand them, and ask about it. Then you can make a new article, adopting any improvements you've learned. I've suggested this to you several times. Instead, you pump out several or a dozen poor articles at a time, often only a couple of minutes apart. It's very clear from that you're not putting in the required effort to craft good articles.
These articles aren't just your own personal project or campaign notes. This wiki is read by thousands of people worldwide. We're providing a service to Forgotten Realms fans, writers, and designers, and we want that to be a high-quality service.
Now what I propose is this: you make one and only one article a day, just as I described above. Don't just copy passages from sourcebooks either, use your own words, make sure it carries the same meaning. Really work on it. Fix all those errors, fix the spelling, use the standard styles. When we make improvements, check the changes, and actually read them. If you have a question about any change, we'll answer it. Now please seriously consider and acknowledge it. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:02, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

You speaking about " "rappresentive" is not a word; "attire" means clothing, not "attract"; and "casually" means to do something idly, not "incidentally", " so all true but not being English my mother language I forgot your explanation and sure I NO LIKE did this. From your text seem that you believe that I PURPOSELY ignore your counsels but it's no true, it's only more difficult for me remember always. You said happen most often in my articles and all change if I do only ONE article but I believe this is not the problem, only how much concentration I put inside. I'm currently stressed at work and this possibly afflicted also my edits. But to be honest also these discussions stressed me Ah you not answered about apostrophes, I no understand the difference in my keyboard I have only ' to my knowledge (Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:29, May 30, 2016 (UTC))

No, I am not saying you do this deliberately or maliciously, that would be silly. But, for some reason, it's not working. I'm trying to get you to adopt a different approach that would reduce these problems. If you don't have the time or concentration, then don't do so many articles.
If you type an apostrophe into most text editors, such as the editor in the wiki, you get what we could call a straight apostrophe, " ' ". However, Microsoft Word and other programs can convert this into a curly or angled apostrophe, " ’ ". These won't display on screen, you'll need to click edit and see the raw text. The default for Wikia is the plain, straight apostrophe. But if you copy text in from Word or from a PDF of a sourcebook, you could get the curly apostrophe, or a broken symbol, "’" (which doesn't appear but does exist in the raw text). This can't be typed in Wikia, so links won't go to it. Wikia doesn't recognise the two kinds of apostrophe as the same symbol. So Yin-kung T'o is a normal link, but Yin-kung T’o has a curly apostrophe and isn't the same link. Go to each of those links and look up at the big page title to see the difference between the apostrophes. You need to pay attention to the text to ensure these symbols are erased. It's better to type out the names than to copy and paste them, to make sure this doesn't happen. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:50, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
Here is a link to change curly quotes and apostrophes to straight ones if you are using Microsoft Word. If you are using an old Macintosh, then it is possible that the curly ones are the default and this is how you change it. If you are just typing straight into the editor, then you may have to look in your settings for "smart quotes" and turn it off. I hope that helps. —Moviesign (talk) 14:18, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
Hope to had understood about apostrophe, I in effect had a Macintosh buy three years ago.
About others problems I will try to made edits in more quiet moments. Yes I understood Bat that you want me to change approach but to be honest YOUR approach not suited me so need an other one
For translation mistakes like "rappresentive" "attire" and "casually" was difficult because in italian the mean was correct so sure about this I need help to remember about.

I no know what said more about, be patient about me, (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:36, May 30, 2016 (UTC))

It doesn't matter if this approach doesn't suit you. We have all agreed on certain policies and standards for the wiki, and we ask ourselves and all other editors to follow them in order to improve the quality of the wiki. We each adopt approaches to follow these policies and standards, even if they don't personally suit us. All I'm asking you to do is to slow down, take care with your articles, and try to reduce these common errors, and so the rest of us can keep up with fixing your articles. That's not a hard thing to ask. It actually makes your side easier and more educational.
On another point, please don't copy so heavily from the sourcebooks. I understand you have troubles coming up with different phrases, and we don't mind if borrow wording from the book where necessary. That is, short phrases of two or three words are fine. But whole sentences were copied in Komite and Wai Locunni Eio. That is copyright infringement. If you persist, your articles will be deleted and you will be blocked. — BadCatMan

I'm very tired of this discussion, obviously you not believe me. Obviously for me was a more difficult task reduce commons errors BECAUSE I not always acknowledge as errors!!!!

About Wai Locunni Eio was a mistake, other hand Komite I no idea as rewording
I seriously meditating to abandoned this wiki (Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:13, May 31, 2016 (UTC))
User 11, I would recommend that you print out a checklist that includes all of the common errors that your pages have had in the past. This way you can easily look at them while making a new page and make sure they are addressed before the page is published.Artemaz (talk) 12:49, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

OK STOP, I WAS BLOCK AGAIN WHILE TRYING TO CORRECTS MY MISTAKE; IT'S CLEAR LIKE I SUSPECT THAT BAT WANT BLOCK UNLESS I FOLLOW HIS ORDERS (BECAUSE HE ORDERED ME TO MADE ONLY ONE EDIT AT DAY!!!!) – Unknown user 11

I blocked you because, once again, you did not follow any of our suggestions or advice, and did not work to avoid the problems we only just pointed out to you. You were not checking and fixing your articles, you were not taking time and care with them. You were just pumping out the same poor-quality articles every couple of minutes as you always do.
I'm afraid I don't know to believe of what you say, because I can barely understand some of your replies. You have a very limited ability with the language or the technical nature of this. You can't even seem to properly read the text: I'm not "Bat", I'm "BadCatMan". The obvious approach for anyone in your position would be to be more careful, pay attention, and take a slower pace, but you've repeatedly declined to do this. It's been the same way for a year and a half, and I am tired of explaining it to you and spending hours and hours cleaning up after you without seeing any improvement in your articles.
I'm sorry we've come to this and that you're considering leaving. I don't think it's necessary. These issues can be resolved very easily if you'd only take more time and care and accept our advice. I would honestly be very happy to fix your articles if you'd only follow my advice and assistance, and that of other editors here. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:19, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

I HAD TRIED TO MADE ARTICLES THAT I HAD CHECK MORE CAREFULLY IN ORDER TO MADE VALUATION FROM YOU AND I WANT FIX KOMITE WHEN I WAS BLOCKED. I TRULY NOT UNDERTAND WHAT YOU WANT FROM ME – Unknown user 11

You were not fixing Komite. Instead, you made four new articles, one with a broken apostrophe symbol, and a category with the same errors I keep correcting for you. It's the exact same problems as before. I've told you many times what I'd like you do, and you've apparently understood this, so please consider this again.
By the way, using all capital letters is widely considered shouting online, so please don't do that either. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:24, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

To be clear you block me unless I made 1 page at day that you considered good???? Because if yes it's truth that you understood nothing about my errors, it's not a problem of time or how many I did but to have a clear rule about what it's right and what no. I made you a proposal: made or edit you a next article about a guy from Ronin Challenge and I tried to follow that page most as possible in my next articles. I usually in past individuate a good article and from then I use as model from my nexts; I no know why in Kara-Tur edits I had more problems ( also all kinds of calendars not help me to not mistaken years). Also I slow my edit to not more than 4 in a day (24 hours)

Komite I had tried to did but I know was difficult rewords, so if you not have time to correct maybe delete it.

This is last chance about, If not please block me forever.

Last in this discussion I was obviously hungry so maybe sometime I exaggerate or use poor english unknowing; about "Bat" and "BadCatMan" I no understood to offend you, I used like a friendship diminutive

(Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:57, May 31, 2016 (UTC))

I see your articles are generally better written than your comments, so it's clear you can write better when you focus on the task and spend more time on it. That's the same for anyone writing in another language. So what I'd like you to do is just focus more on the article writing and spending more time on them.
So please make one (1) article a day. Concentrate on fixing all the errors and problems you can find in it. Do this first before you click "Publish". Look at the raw text of the page to see problems. Use a spell-checker to check the spelling. Use "Preview" to see what the article looks like before you click "Publish". Then we can check the article over for you, and fix the problems. Then you can examine our changes and try to fix these problems in your next article. If you only make one article, you focus better on fixing it and we can provide feedback.
When you do make the article, please do not copy and paste text from the PDF sourcebooks. This is where the curly commas and broken symbols appear. Just type it out, and double-check the spelling. Do not copy and paste whole sentences from the sourcebooks into your articles. Please take the time to think of new phrases. — BadCatMan (talk) 08:23, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

So you understood nothing about what I said before, I'm very sorry, I not know how much I can work under your MENACE to block me if I made plus than 1 page at day, I made a proposal at you but seem you not care – Unknown user 11

Well, you still haven't addressed any of my proposals. So, you propose four articles a day? No. You often make batches of around four articles at a time. These have all had the same problems we've been trying to tell you about. Clearly four articles a day is still too many for you to concentrate on. And it's more than I would like to deal with each day. So, no. How about a probationary period of one article a day until we see you've made some lasting improvements in your article writing skills? Then we can raise it to two, three, or four? — BadCatMan (talk) 11:28, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Your ONLY proposal (later became an order) was to made one page at day, you never told me anything different. so you sure believe me to not be worthy to do more. Also in my last articles I tried to improve but still for you not care. I'm really tired to speak with you, you no trust me and I NOW not trust you became I sense arrogance in your words.

Ah last I had understand that lastly I created too many page so my proposal was 4 in 24 hours

Advice for articles Edit

Hi. Thanks for restraining yourself to two articles recently. It gives me time to give you more detailed advice, and post it here so you see it.

When you make class categories like Category:Sohei of 7th level (1e), please remember to correct the punctuation. You can use the text from an existing category and simply update the numbers, that's what I always do. Make sure the sentence ends in a full stop or period, " . " and that the class name is in lower case, which is the standard style for writing about classes. The key point here is the use of the hyphen, " - ". A hyphen is used to make a compound modifier (two words that jointly describe another), in this case "1st-edition" modifies "sohei". The hyphen goes between "1st" and "edition", not in the middle of "1-st". At the end, "7th level" isn't a compound modifier, so there is no hyphen.

You made the broken apostrophe again at Lu-che. I'll try to show it to you. The name of the place is Shou Tu'lung, with an apostrophe between "Tu" and "lung". But with the broken apostrophe from the PDF, you get Shou Tu’lung. There's an invisible broken character between "Tu" and "lung". It reads as "Tulung". But if you click on Shou Tu’lung, and look at the top of your internet browser, where the title of the page is given, you should see an empty square or box with little numbers in it. That's the broken symbol.

I'll do the link again with a curly apostrophe: Shou Tu’lung. It looks the same on the webpage, but if you click on it and look up at the top of the page and at the top of your internet browser, you'll see the apostrophe is curly or slanted. If the standard kind used in Wikia is the plain straight-line apostrophe.

All these links are different. If a new page about Shou Tu'lung is made at the wrong link, it won't be easily found or linked to by other editors. Incorrect apostrophes can be very difficult to notice and pages will need to be renamed and links updated. This is why we don't want them. As we keep telling you, please do not copy and paste text from the PDF. Again, do not copy and paste text from the PDF. Typing it out is the most reliable way to avoid the broken symbols.

Please read the above and ensure you understand it before carrying on. Ask me if you have a question. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:18, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

OHH this I think really can help me. About your two advise, for Shou Tu’lung you totally right, was a my defiance, about the sohei of 7th level: I had always difficulties with those level edits (I'm also wondering to stop add) but your explanation was clear, I before never understood why he need use that (and if you not understand things was easy fail) hope not need you remember me more. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:57, June 2, 2016 (UTC))

I'm glad it was helpful. The extra time and effort on these articles has paid off. I like how you've rephrased articles like Ogawa Besar. And thank you for fixing the apostrophe problem in Awang Sophir.
Now, when you do categories like Category:Monks of 6th level (1e), don't forget to also make a link to the class page. For example, "All 1st-edition monks of 6th level." You've been doing correctly normally, but this time you missed it. Maybe that was because I didn't include the link in my demonstration yesterday.
One small issue: only one line of space is needed between paragraphs. Bigger spaces don't match the style of the rest of the wiki. So, only hit "Enter" once at the end of the paragraph, not two, three, or four times. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:58, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

I admit that Ogawa Besar need his time to did. I accepted your condition also because I check next pages I want do and they were to so easy. A thing about Awang Sophir: no clue he LIVE in Petan, only that he traveled from then to Komite, and ops, I truly believe luck talisman was a item (Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:11, June 3, 2016 (UTC))

I had believed that for Kwan Ching Lo worried was okay; my fault not check better that adverse was not verb, I focus too in rewording (Unknown user 11 (talk)

For Awang Sophir, that is a good thing to consider. I've removed the assumed category. For Kwan Ching Lo, he probably should be worried by Kawabi's rise, but it's a subtle change of meaning. Kwan Ching Lo might not be worried at all. So I felt "embarrassed" was the most precise word to use here.
In Non Lu Non, another one of those broken apostrophes reappeared, in "Emperor's". So, watch out for those, please. — BadCatMan (talk) 09:11, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

Great rewording for Komite; about Kwan Ching Lo sure you known better than I the different hints of english language

PeriodsEdit

About Deng Tse Chin and recent pages I did, I still have some trouble put the right periods division, if you explain better how use for good I tried to improve (I check the revision history of the page but with no help about). About slow down I had a very stressful discussion with User:BadCatMan and now my two-three pages in a day I think was a good balance (Unknown user 11 (talk) 21:52, June 16, 2016 (UTC))

I have noticed you have forgotten periods at the end of sentences right before the citation. For example: "went to the Komite.<ref name"... just make sure you do not forget the period. :) - Darkwynters (talk) 23:01, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay NOW I understood the problem and I will be more careful about next page (Unknown user 11 (talk) 07:25, June 17, 2016 (UTC))

I've done this as well Uknown user 11. I usually have my citation in place before typing my sentences, and sometimes just forget to add the period at the end of the sentence. The citation makes it easy to miss spotting the small period when I proof-read my articles. Artemaz (talk) 12:56, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Organization Names Edit

Within the infoboxes on your organization pages, near the bottom where it says "orgname", don't forget to add "the" to the name. Example: Gray Doom should be "the Gray Doom". If the "the" is not there then the category for members will show up as "Members of Gray Doom" instead of "Members of the Gray Doom". Artemaz (talk) 12:57, July 11, 2016 (UTC) You're right. Thank of the advise (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:16, July 11, 2016 (UTC))

Reference pages Edit

Please take more care when adding the page numbers for your references. I've noticed on multiple occasions where you are listing the wrong page number. Korial Quintara for example is mentioned on page 17 of Fires of Zatal and not page 18 like you had. Artemaz (talk) 12:59, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake.(Unknown user 11 (talk) 13:07, September 24, 2016 (UTC))

Lords of Waterdeep Edit

Added some background on the Lords of Waterdeep, will try to add more when I have time. :)(TeliomBrainFreeze (talk) 04:19, September 29, 2016 (UTC))

  • Okay, not completely done but would like your opinion on format for how I laid out the Lords. Would you suggest any changes? (TeliomBrainFreeze (talk) 15:39, October 10, 2016 (UTC))

For me you had had a good job. The only counsel for now was maybe put Human male inside ( ). Also (but this is most my curiosity) how SO MANY Lords unveiled?? Normally people knew three or four suspected and in 1491 suddenly ten were unmasked? Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:00, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Check: "Council of Dragon" Edit

Hi! Can you please check the source for this "Council of Dragon" in your recent articles? The name sounds wrong: I would expect "Council of the Dragon" (a council regarding a singular, specific dragon) or "Council of Dragons" (a council regarding a number of dragons). If the "Dragon" refers to the king of Cormyr, then I'd expect "the Dragon". It's important to get the name right when making links, as other users will eventually follow it to create an article, or an incorrect link won't link to the proper article. Ok you're right, It was Council of the Dragon, now I correct my pages. However the dragon was king Foril Obarskyr I for what I understood(Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:46, October 30, 2016 (UTC))

Page Numbers and Editions Edit

I have asked you several times to please include page numbers in your citations. Using {{Cite book/The Herald}} is not acceptable. You must use either {{Cite book/The Herald/Hardcover}} or {{Cite book/The Herald/MMP (2014)}} and put page numbers where you find the information for each paragraph you write.

If you continue to ignore this, I am going to start deleting any new pages that you write that do not have page numbers, because it is worse having pages that violate our conventions than to be missing the pages that you are adding.

Your pages have been getting better, thank you, but you still make so many mistakes with each new article that you are adding more work for all of the rest of us to do.

Please respond that you acknowledge the issue with page numbers. Thanks.

~ Lhynard (talk) 15:39, November 17, 2016 (UTC) For several reasons I can't check edition or page numbers of "The Herald". I believe was more interesting what it is write inside but you clearly disagree with me.... When I have possibility I ALWAYS put all informations I had.

Just to be more clear I no have the material book, was a kind of pdf that a friend gave to me. So I no knew the edition and without page's numbers.

(Unknown user 11 (talk) 16:29, November 17, 2016 (UTC))

May I suggest that you pick one of the editions (hardcover or MMP) and use the question mark ("?") for the page number:
{{Cite book/The Herald/Hardcover|?}}
This will automatically put the page into the Category:Articles needing page numbers and hopefully someone will be able to supply the page number later. I feel this is preferable to deleting articles.
And don't forget, if your pdf at least has chapter headings, then you can specify the chapter like so:
{{Cite book/The Herald/Hardcover|chapter=5}}Moviesign (talk) 01:01, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
For me was a good idea if User:Lhynard agree.
Yes, I think those are good ideas. ~ Lhynard (talk) 05:35, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Storm King's Thunder Edit

Please do not use the title of the book as a time reference; do not use the phrase, "during the Storm King's Thunder." It is not an actual term used within the world of Faerûn. ~ Lhynard (talk) 14:31, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, sure you're right. However this sourcebook bothered me; we have no year and no storyline's name!!!! (at least I have no notice about) (Unknown user 11 (talk) 15:59, December 15, 2016 (UTC))
 :) Use one of these instead:
Use this as a reference: <ref name="SKT-p13">{{Cite book/Storm King's Thunder|13}}</ref>
~ Lhynard (talk) 16:11, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

Thank!! Good suggestion, next ones I tried. (Unknown user 11 (talk) 17:03, December 15, 2016 (UTC))

Year of Volo's Guide to the Sword CoastEdit

In some of your recent articles (Maurandyr, Lonthalin Mintar, Janthool, etc.) you give the year as 1367 DR. Where did you find this date? I have looked in Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast and cannot find 1367 or the Year of the Shield anywhere. Did you estimate the date from some some other source? —Moviesign (talk) 15:38, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

to be honest I no remember more. I remembered that I had checked also the guide to dalelands. Unknown user 11 (talk) 12:05, June 26, 2017‎ (UTC)
Hmmm, I can find "Year of the Serpent" (1359 DR) mentioned on page 1... 1322 DR and 1346 DR are on page 176... 1312 DR is talked about on page 176... Page 27 mentions Ulcaster founded his school 300 years ago... The Grand History of the Realms page 115 gives that date around 1026 DR... so is the sourcebook set in 1326 DR... I would say no due to other clues... "over the years" is used a dozen times... after my investigation, I am inclined to say Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast was written around 1359 DR. Any thoughts? - Darkwynters (talk) 23:19, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Advice and recommendations Edit

{Copied from User talk:93.34.115.173)

Hello again.

Thanks for adding your articles to the wiki. However, we'd like to help you make better articles. Incomplete and improperly coded articles don't add much to the wiki, they just take waste other editors' time fixing them and doing proper work on them later. We've been noting some issues and individual Talk pages and in edit summaries. Since you don't seem to have noticed, I've blocked you to save you doing unnecessary work until I was able to contact you properly.

As one editor noted at Talk:Thael Sembergelt, citations of books need page numbers so other editors can look up the information. You shouldn't cite just the book. A chapter may be cited, but the citation template needs to be updated to handle it.

As we discussed at Talk:Argast, complete and up-to-date infobox templates should be used. While it is okay to copy an existing page when starting out, it should not be a habit. Instead, please use the updated template at {{Person}} when making articles about characters.

Please take the time to write complete articles. A potted summary isn't useful for entertaining. Instead, try to tell the complete story of the character, what they're doing, and why. Double-check the information and make sure you use correct spelling, names, and titles.

Finally, please either make an account with Wikia to more easily work here, or please log in if you're an existing member. From the contributions list for this account, you appear to be User:Unknown user 11 (though IP addresses can be reused); if so, please log in and adopt these recommendations. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:58, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Again you all used strange words (I presume from editing world that I don't know). I no knew how use template!!! About pages numbers I had a russian-version ebook without page numbers (it's a long pdf). Last I only edit about this book and knew nobody from this wiki – 93.34.115.173 (talk) 13:47, July 6, 2017‎ (UTC)
Those are common English words. If you don't understand a word, then ask and I'll explain. But you seem to understand English well enough to write these articles.
To use the template, just copy and paste it as you do normally.
Those are not ebooks. They are pirated copies of books and are not legal. They are full of errors from scanning and even vandalism by the people who make them. You shouldn't rely on them. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:01, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Why I'm still blocked??? – 93.34.115.173 (talk) 14:15, July 7, 2017 (UTC)

WHY I'M STILL BLOCKED????? – 93.34.115.173 (talk) 13:01, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

You're still blocked because I'm waiting for you to say you understand the advice we gave you, that you know how to use the templates and referencing page numbers, and to talk about writing complete and clear articles.
But now I am certain you are Unknown User 11. You two work on the wiki at the same times. But you work on different days, we never see you two online at the same time. Unknown User 11 goes away, 93.34.115.173 comes in. I blocked this account, then Unknown User 11 reappeared. You have the same project of making incomplete articles for characters. You have the same writing style and the same errors and problems. You've actually admitted to being Unknown User 11 while logged out three times this year, as recorded here. Finally, while Unknown User 11 was working, I upgraded the block on this anonymous account to include the IP address. And Unknown User 11 suddenly stopped working, you reappeared, and shouted at me. Do you have anything to add? You are Unknown User 11 and I don't appreciate being lied to. So I think you can stay blocked.
This is very disappointing. We work very hard to improve your articles for you, to correct your language and fix errors in code, spelling, links, names, and interpretation of the lore. We keep showing you how to do it better. But you don't seem to put any effort into doing better. You might fix one issue, but then neglect two others. Your articles are incomplete, rushed, sloppy, and do little more than take up time and space. You use pirated books and blatantly copy their errors. I have spent many long hours just cleaning up after you, and it is time completely wasted.
And, just for us patiently and politely asking you to do better and showing you how to do better, again and again, you go anonymous, change books, and misrepresent yourself. This is very disrespectful. I've given you two years of patience and now I've run out of it. You can stay blocked until you feel like respecting the community and following wiki policies and suggestions. Good night. — BadCatMan (talk) 15:15, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

Why sometime I'm editing while no logged was about my private life and sorry but I no want talk with you!!!!! You are right that was bad lying about and about this I offer my apologies and even accept the block!

About mistakes in my edits you always suspected me to do on purpose badly.... I'm always trying to did them at my best (maybe I'm stupid....) To be honest I still no understood why my last edits about All Shadows Fled went so bad, I'm trying to fix but sure I failed. I had no more words about to say!!! - 93.34.115.173 (talk) 15:39, July 8, 2017‎ (UTC)

It's clear that BadCatMan is not saying you are making errors on purpose. We ALL make errors, but you are not taking the advice of the admins and other users to learn from your mistakes and correct your errors. It is incredibly frustrating for others to have to spend time cleaning up the same mistakes (literally since you copy/paste much of the text from your articles into new pages) over and over again. We all have specific projects that we would like to spend time working on for this wiki, but many of us have devoted too much time to fixing your errors. Besides, having a ton of sloppy articles on the wiki makes us look bad as a group to new users. Artemaz (talk) 15:52, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

As I said it's no a good sensation that so many people spend time about my edits. I'm REALLY believed myself stupid (in english). Plus I had had problems of all kinds with User:BadCatMan - 93.34.115.173 (talk) 17:05, July 8, 2017‎ (UTC)

Okay like I had foresaw Badcatman finally with his great joy had managed to ban me at eternal... I'm sorry to all the others users, despite my many errors I really tried to ade good pages. I hope someone someday could finish pages about All Shadows Fled - 93.34.115.173 (talk) 12:11, July 9, 2017‎ (UTC)

I don't feel any joy in this. I feel relieved, but mostly tired. I don't think you make errors on purpose. I do think you don't care enough not to make them. You just don't try to do better. You have very limited ability with English, so the sensible thing to do is take more care and more time, to get it right. Instead, you rush them out: you post them roughly ten minutes apart, which is only a marginal improvement on the six minutes last year. You do batches of four or five, or even a dozen like last year, without waiting to see what corrections others need to make. I asked you to do only one article a day last year, and in a week you have back to four or five. It's clear you don't check the names of characters and things and don't even finish reading the novel, or even put all the information in the article. Other users here spend much more time to make complete and well-written articles.
If it was just your bad English, we wouldn't mind. Several users here are not native speakers of English, but they take the time to write good articles and we're happy to help fix them. But you keep making the same basic errors: incorrectly spelled names and wrong titles, even in page names; made-up spellings like "Relashunships" (it's Relationships) and completely wrong words like "attired" (it means "clothed" or "dressed", you seem to mean "attracted"; "rappresentative" is wrong, you mean "representative"; and I never worked out "appurtisement" or whatever it was). You could look these things up in a dictionary, but you don't. The names are right in front of you on the page of the book, but you don't check them. Sometimes you write completely wrong descriptions, which you could avoid by just looking up any words you don't understand. You continually copy text into the article, which litters it with broken symbols that break links. We advise you not to use pirated books, because they contain errors and broken text, but you keep doing it. We continually give you suggestions on your Talk page and in edit summaries, and you can check the changes made to your pages, but you seem to usually ignore or forget these. When you do make an improvement, you then fail to fix one or two other things, and forget about it in a few weeks.
We've put a lot of time and effort into trying to help you and clean up your articles but you haven't put in the same time and effort to improve anything. I've already spent an hour writing a very detailed response, and I'm sure you'll post a one-liner in a minute. We've tried to help, and you've been rude and lied to us. Your articles are incomplete stubs that need to be completely rewritten by proper editors later, which isn't useful for the wiki. I think it's better for us all if you take a good long break from the wiki to mature and get some practice. I wish you good luck. — BadCatMan (talk) 14:09, July 9, 2017 (UTC)

Just one thing, I truly believed most of my problems in this wiki regard my iteration with you. You couldn't understand me and have an attitude that I HATE (you are no by boss or my father!!!!). Again good luck to all the other users AH please delete my account I no went back in this wiki even if one day YOU cancel the ban

AH to be honest I truly believed you had good intention but we no made to have an agreement - 93.34.115.173 (talk) 16:06, July 9, 2017‎ (UTC)

ReturnEdit

I'm truly really appreciate the cancelation of my ban but I seriously believe that if I rejoin soon we will start fighting again. To made an example I really want finish my work about All Shadows Fled but you was against my "pirated sources" but I had no possibility to recover a good version of that book in my country so I ask your suggestion. From this I would decide if rejoin or no. – User:Unknown user 11

No. I cannot let you add information to the wiki when you openly use pirated books. They are full of errors, which you then put in the articles. It would also get the FRW accused of supporting piracy. If you cannot use proper books, then you don't have to add articles to the wiki. Really, we don't need poorly made articles. We want well-made and correct articles.
I removed your block hoping you'd had enough time to relax and think about all the problems I described above. However, it seems you haven't, which is disappointing. — BadCatMan (talk) 12:42, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Again you understood nothing of my words, I NEVER asked permission to use pirated book but what I could use in exchange given that I could find the book in my country. But like I suspect you only hope that I OBEY to you. So if you can't help me please restart the ban and delete my account

I want to be clear 1) I NEVER use again a pirated book but I can't find other source. 2) your insistence about "poorly made articles" clearly suggest that I liked made bad edits and this irritated me much!!!!

I guess not. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:43, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Things to Fix Edit

Welcome back. I hope now you'll understand me better and that you will try to follow the advice we give you. Our aim is to improve your articles and make things easier on everyone. It takes us longer to fix up errors than it would take to just do things right in the first place.

  • Use the complete and up-to-date {{Person}} template. It had all the latest entries.
  • Be careful with spelling. Fantasy names like "Drizzt Do'Urden" might be difficult, but they are in the book you're looking at, so it's not hard.
  • Also make sure the links go to the correct articles.
  • Try to use correct grammar, wording, and phrasing. If you don't know what something means, look it up.
  • Add a reference for every line of text in the article.
  • Include page numbers in the references.

Have a look at the changes we make to your articles so you can see what you did wrong and try to improve it in the next article. For example, here at Boofie McLaddin. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:36, November 4, 2018 (UTC)

I just casually pick up the book "Neverwinter" in the house of one of my friend (if I go again to his house I hope to had time to check pages' numbers). About all other things it's a very long time from my last edit so I forgot a lot.  (Unknown user 11 (talk) 14:24, November 4, 2018 (UTC)) 

Around _____ DR Edit

I've noticed that you always seem to use the phrase " around 1492 DR" when mentioning dates in your pages. If the reference you are citing says something happened in 1492 DR (or any other specific date) then please just say something like "In 1492 DR ....". When you use a phrase like "Around 1492 DR" it implies an unspecified time range when the event occurred. Artemaz (talk) 15:43, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

I knew, the problem was that we discovered from Cristopher Perkins via twitter that 1492 was the year of the Dragon Heist but was no a truly canon info so I believe "around" was a better option

I'm not just talking about 1 specific page. You ALWAYS say "Around ___ DR" making it seem like the source you are using at the time does not give a specific date. If a year is stated just say "In 1492" (or whatever year it stated. Artemaz (talk) 21:00, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
I never aknoweledge this peculiarity of my writings, thank for told me (probably was a translation problem). Next time I will use "In...."

Plagiarism warning Edit

Once again, do not copy text from the books.

You may not copy whole sentences from the sourcebooks, not even just one or two sentences, not even if you put it in past tense or rephrase one part. It remains noticeably copied from the source and is copyright infringement. You must write everything in good original wording.

Moreover, copying the text produces errors like "nirnblewright" when it should be "nimblewright". Watch your spelling. — BadCatMan (talk) 13:42, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying to not use words from the book but sometime was difficult find other words
Yes, User11, sometimes it can be difficult—especially for someone like you for whom English is not your first language—but that is not an excuse for doing something illegal that can get us in legal trouble. It is because we agree with you that it is difficult that we have urged you over and over again to make small changes until your English improves. You have been very good at improving our wiki in areas like adding missing categories or correcting small factual errors. We need and welcome such improvements to the wiki. But we really do not have any need at all for a mass addition of articles with plagiarism and/or extremely grammatically incorrect prose. ~ Lhynard (talk) 17:25, December 17, 2018 (UTC)
Clearly was no an excluse, just an explanation. 
fair enough ~ Lhynard (talk) 18:24, December 17, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for responding. Your language and recent articles have been a big improvement over last year, so it would be a pity to see you fall back into the same flaws that were so frustrating last time. However difficult it might seem, please take the time to think up a different phrasing or look up a word in a dictionary or thesaurus to find an alternative, but please be sure to find one of the same meaning. If you wish to use wiki editing to improve your English skills (and that's a good idea), then it would be best to do the research as well. I've unblocked you, but as Lhynard, please don't write more articles than you can do good jobs on. — BadCatMan (talk) 06:25, December 19, 2018 (UTC)
Thank for your apprections of my last edits. my writing on this wiki IS a way to improve my English. For the next ones I tried to do better but like I said before sometime is difficult

Thanks Edit

Hi Unknown! Thanks for helping to fix up some recent articles from other editors and contacting them with advice. In particular, fixing up Nalkara and rewriting the copied text. We really appreciate this involvement. — BadCatMan (talk) 00:51, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, I did only what I believe was better

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